Services growth - AppleMusic, ApplePay, TV subs, App Store
AppleTV growth
Watch growth
HomeKit, Health Kit
AppleCar
I don't know WTF Wall Street is seeing but its just a matter of time Apple is worth $1 trillion.
Thats because most of what you posted hasn't happened yet, it's you're wish list not reality. The iPhone is a given and Mac growth will continue. The iPad Pro hasn't even been released. Under "Service Growth" App Store is the only one making real money right now. Watch is never going to happen, it just isn't. Apple TV upgrade made even members here yawn. Apple Car is a stupid concept, a self driving car that can't drive anywhere.
A car that can't communicate with any other cars on the road and can't communicate with the infrastructure. It's a car that can be driven on a test track under controlled conditions.
Its not a self-driving car. This entire self-driving car illusion has swept over the blogosphere in a way that has deluded people into thinking its a real thing, with a real future.
Its not happening. Not this decade. Not in the next one either.
Its simply not safe to have a mix of driverless cars and driven cars on the road at the same time, and since most people have no interest in giving up driving their cars, its a total dead end in the real world. Sorry to burst your bubble, but its going to be nothing but a tech demo indefinitely.
I think you underestimate the recent advances in both robotics and artificial intelligence. Moore's Law says you're wrong.
I think you underestimate the recent advances in both robotics and artificial intelligence. Moore's Law says you're wrong.
That hardly matters. This is the problem. Techies are so focused on the progression of technology, they completely ignore the real world that they live in...where the 99% of people that aren't reading articles about self-driving cars don't give a shit about it at all, and have no interest in playing ball.
That hardly matters. This is the problem. Techies are so focused on the progression of technology, they completely ignore the real world that they live in...where the 99% of people that aren't reading articles about self-driving cars don't give a shit about it at all, and have no interest in playing ball.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but its going to be nothing but a tech demo indefinitely.
A truly self-driving car will not be here within 10 years, however, a lot of the tech that such a car brings with it will be incorporated into earlier cars to a great extent. Transitional cars ... this is only common sense.
I like to consider Project Titan Steve Jobs last vision. Rumors about his interest in doing a car go way back to the early iMac days and there were some meetings with Volkswagen back around 2005 or 2006.
The meeting is noteworthy because if Apple intends to put a self-driving car on the open road --?something it would presumably need to test for a considerable amount of time before bringing a product to consumers -- it will need to disclose a great deal of information about its automobile, including make, model, and vehicle identification number.
Before Apple can manufacture any autos to sell they would need a World Manufacturing Identification number issued by the SAE so they can create VIN numbers. Currently they do not show up on the list. If they intend to test on public roadways using a custom vehicle registration through the DMV, there might be some public disclosure of the details of their car, because in order to register a custom vehicle you need to get all kinds of safety and compliance inspections and certificates from various state agencies including the California Highway Patrol. Plus they need a state permit for Autonomous Testing and an insurance bond of $5 million.
I wonder whether Apple would cloak the car's exterior in the shell of a traditional car to hide it during road tests. I recall them doing a similar thing with next-gen phones and/or watches to let beta testers use them in the wild without public awareness.
Phones don’t need to be aerodynamic. They’d probably just do night desert tests only.
1) This might be one of those things that can't be kept in the dark do its size and the amount of regulations needed long before you get road tests and manufacturing underway.
2) If this rumour is true (and it seems like it is) it would mark the first product that couldn't fit on an Apple Store table, per Jobs quote.
So who thinks this is just about CarPlay now? Open your minds.
I don't recall anyone thinking it's just about CarPlay since this rumour began. I recall people thinking it was about only the dashboard, not a complete car, but not simply CarPlay.
No, you just don't get it. You don't need to sell me on it. I'm here. I'm reading the article. Obviously I care.
You need to sell the hundreds of millions of drivers in the US that DO NOT care. Good luck with that.
Are you taking about the country who has dog therapists? The US market I would argue would be the key market for a self-driver. Personally self-driving only appeals to me if it's optional. It's a slippery slope. You just know once we go down this road cut to 30 years into it and human driving is banned on public roads. Sad day indeed when that happens.
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I don't recall anyone thinking it's just about CarPlay since this rumour began. I recall people thinking it was about only the dashboard, not a complete car, but not simply CarPlay.
You ought to check your memory. But, yes, some people were thinking it's for an Apple dashboard hardware product for car manufacturers to install, which is clearly a ridiculous idea: no car maker would employ this in a million years. I'm frankly shocked so many allowed CarPlay and Android Auto. Rest assured that's the limit of control they release.
People were out of their minds to think Apple would want literally hundreds of mechanical car engineers to build a dashboard product. Drive-train experts, gear experts, autonomous driving experts. etc. etc. etc., but thinking they were do car building R&D was crazy talk. People are far too close-minded. It's clear cars are at the stage now where they are ripe for an electric, connected revolution cross the board.
I applaud Elon Musk for what has done, he is clearly a brilliant man, but he definitely lacks taste. The model s looks like a ripoff of a few existing cars and the front is not specially attractive. Apple can easily compete with him in the design department.
My only worry with Apple regarding their car if they release one, is are they sensible enough to include switches and knobs for all the basic functions. Touch screens are great but not for all functions. The huge 17" touch screen in the model s is hideous.
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I love BMW's. They're my favorite make. Amazing cars. Drive beautifully. Even look beautiful. But, the BMW i3 is the second-ugliest car I have ever seen (the first is the Nissan Leaf). I agree that it was great that they broke a lot of conventions building it, but they should've gone the same route as Tesla and designed a car that actually has style. I'm currently on a list to pickup a 3-Series BMW in the next year (I put money down on a military sales program), but when the Tesla Model III is revealed and if it looks better, I'll pickup one of those instead!
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iPhone dominance
iPad growth in enterprise
Mac growth
Services growth - AppleMusic, ApplePay, TV subs, App Store
AppleTV growth
Watch growth
HomeKit, Health Kit
AppleCar
I don't know WTF Wall Street is seeing but its just a matter of time Apple is worth $1 trillion.
Thats because most of what you posted hasn't happened yet, it's you're wish list not reality. The iPhone is a given and Mac growth will continue. The iPad Pro hasn't even been released. Under "Service Growth" App Store is the only one making real money right now. Watch is never going to happen, it just isn't. Apple TV upgrade made even members here yawn. Apple Car is a stupid concept, a self driving car that can't drive anywhere.
A car that can't communicate with any other cars on the road and can't communicate with the infrastructure. It's a car that can be driven on a test track under controlled conditions.
HomeKit certified devices.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home/a-list-of-apple-homekit-compatible-devices/
Rather limited at this point.
I think you underestimate the recent advances in both robotics and artificial intelligence. Moore's Law says you're wrong.
I think you underestimate the recent advances in both robotics and artificial intelligence. Moore's Law says you're wrong.
That hardly matters. This is the problem. Techies are so focused on the progression of technology, they completely ignore the real world that they live in...where the 99% of people that aren't reading articles about self-driving cars don't give a shit about it at all, and have no interest in playing ball.
Changing the narrative again.
First it was they would never make a car.
Now its the car they made will suck.
Lol
Umm no. Reading comprehension is your friend.
They will undoubtedly make the best electric car ever made...which will cost significantly more than every other electric car, marginalizing it.
No idea what you're attempting to express here.
Or a dodge caravan.
Meet… the iCaravan
Self driving cars are for more than techies.
You are way too narrow minded.
I'll start you with two HUGE markets self-driving cars can disrupt:
#1 - Uber. Self driving taxi's in large cities
#2 - Transportation for Elderly or those who can't drive.
No, you just don't get it. You don't need to sell me on it. I'm here. I'm reading the article. Obviously I care.
You need to sell the hundreds of millions of drivers in the US that DO NOT care. Good luck with that.
iPhone dominance
iPad growth in enterprise
Mac growth
Services growth - AppleMusic, ApplePay, TV subs, App Store
AppleTV growth
Watch growth
HomeKit, Health Kit
AppleCar
I don't know WTF Wall Street is seeing but its just a matter of time Apple is worth $1 trillion.
When an Apple car hits the road, I expect my Apple shares to be hit DOWN !
Originally Posted by sog35
Self driving cars are for more than techies.
You are way too narrow minded.
I'll start you with two HUGE markets self-driving cars can disrupt:
#1 - Uber. Self driving taxi's in large cities
#2 - Transportation for Elderly or those who can't drive.
My guess is Apple will make both self-driving and regular cars.
Hopefully underground taxi Uber stays illegal in my city.
Hopefully the elderly and non drivers need a registered driver in control of the vehicle.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but its going to be nothing but a tech demo indefinitely.
A truly self-driving car will not be here within 10 years, however, a lot of the tech that such a car brings with it will be incorporated into earlier cars to a great extent. Transitional cars ... this is only common sense.
I like to consider Project Titan Steve Jobs last vision. Rumors about his interest in doing a car go way back to the early iMac days and there were some meetings with Volkswagen back around 2005 or 2006.
The meeting is noteworthy because if Apple intends to put a self-driving car on the open road --?something it would presumably need to test for a considerable amount of time before bringing a product to consumers -- it will need to disclose a great deal of information about its automobile, including make, model, and vehicle identification number.
Before Apple can manufacture any autos to sell they would need a World Manufacturing Identification number issued by the SAE so they can create VIN numbers. Currently they do not show up on the list. If they intend to test on public roadways using a custom vehicle registration through the DMV, there might be some public disclosure of the details of their car, because in order to register a custom vehicle you need to get all kinds of safety and compliance inspections and certificates from various state agencies including the California Highway Patrol. Plus they need a state permit for Autonomous Testing and an insurance bond of $5 million.
Phones don’t need to be aerodynamic. They’d probably just do night desert tests only.
Almost as though it’s not happening.
2) If this rumour is true (and it seems like it is) it would mark the first product that couldn't fit on an Apple Store table, per Jobs quote.
I don't recall anyone thinking it's just about CarPlay since this rumour began. I recall people thinking it was about only the dashboard, not a complete car, but not simply CarPlay.
The Ultimate Driven Machine
Are you taking about the country who has dog therapists? The US market I would argue would be the key market for a self-driver. Personally self-driving only appeals to me if it's optional. It's a slippery slope. You just know once we go down this road cut to 30 years into it and human driving is banned on public roads. Sad day indeed when that happens.
No, you just don't get it. You don't need to sell me on it. I'm here. I'm reading the article. Obviously I care.
You need to sell the hundreds of millions of drivers in the US that DO NOT care. Good luck with that.
Good luck with that?
Two obvious markets.... Parents who want to keep their kids safe. Self driving cars are already better (safer) than teenage drivers.
Uber and other taxi companies would love to take their highest cost item out of the equation and make more profit.
People were out of their minds to think Apple would want literally hundreds of mechanical car engineers to build a dashboard product. Drive-train experts, gear experts, autonomous driving experts. etc. etc. etc., but thinking they were do car building R&D was crazy talk. People are far too close-minded. It's clear cars are at the stage now where they are ripe for an electric, connected revolution cross the board.
I applaud Elon Musk for what has done, he is clearly a brilliant man, but he definitely lacks taste. The model s looks like a ripoff of a few existing cars and the front is not specially attractive. Apple can easily compete with him in the design department.
My only worry with Apple regarding their car if they release one, is are they sensible enough to include switches and knobs for all the basic functions. Touch screens are great but not for all functions. The huge 17" touch screen in the model s is hideous.
I love BMW's. They're my favorite make. Amazing cars. Drive beautifully. Even look beautiful. But, the BMW i3 is the second-ugliest car I have ever seen (the first is the Nissan Leaf). I agree that it was great that they broke a lot of conventions building it, but they should've gone the same route as Tesla and designed a car that actually has style. I'm currently on a list to pickup a 3-Series BMW in the next year (I put money down on a military sales program), but when the Tesla Model III is revealed and if it looks better, I'll pickup one of those instead!
--Lex