Burn-in is an issue for both plasma and OLED panels. I'm happy that you weren't affected, but is is entirely possible for others, especially with some almost fixed UI elements like status bar/clock.
So where is your non-anecdotal evidence that burn-in is a problem with OLED panels?
Burn-in is an issue for both plasma and OLED panels. I'm happy that you weren't affected, but is is entirely possible for others, especially with some almost fixed UI elements like status bar/clock.
Even if there is no burn in, there is panel aging, color shifting that's a definite problem.
The higher the brightness, the quicker the aging.
So, a fantastic expense OLED TV in 2015, may not even beat an average one in 2020.
LCD's are much more durable. I still use 13 inch LCD monitors from 2001 in our server room....
Plasmas from 2014 (last year they made them) had aging too (and some burn-in with some content), but the issue is not really a problem for most use.
I got a plasma and LCD images are way way worse in almost every way!
Yet, I'd be pissed out if I spent $3K on TV that looked crappy in 5 years.
Some people don't mind that, but the core of the market expects their TV to last longer than that.
Even if there is no burn in, there is panel aging, color shifting that's a definite problem.
The higher the brightness, the quicker the aging.
So, a fantastic expense OLED TV in 2015, may not even beat an average one in 2020.
LCD's are much more durable. I still use 13 inch LCD monitors from 2001 in our server room....
Plasmas from 2014 (last year they made them) had aging too (and some burn-in with some content), but the issue is not really a problem for most use.
I got a plasma and LCD images are way way worse in almost every way!
Yet, I'd be pissed out if I spent $3K on TV that looked crappy in 5 years.
Some people don't mind that, but the core of the market expects their TV to last longer than that.
Here is a a photo I took of my phone displaying a photo taken with it, next to my MBPR which is also displaying exactly the same image file. There is no retouching trickery. I adjusted the brightness of the Pro to match:
There has been no panel aging or colour shift that I can see.
Now my phone is one of the first few to have an OLED screen (2010). there have been probably 6 or 7 generations worth of improvement since then. If Apple were to choose an OLED panel for a phone it would likely be one which is state-of-the-art, like the one in the Samsung S6. I don't think there are any sunlight legibility, burn-in, colour-shift, or any other of the touted potential drawbacks in current state-of-the-art panels that would ever, if they exist, be an issue within the likely life of a phone.
I have not seen anyone claim any of these issues are likely to arise in the ?Watch.
cnucbul, which part of "Darker UIs can help to stretch out battery life on OLED displays" do you not understand? Apple uses a lot of glaring white backgrounds. Unless or until they go to a predominantly black background, the use of OLED is perhaps not the best idea. Also, tech specs like contrast ratio are meaningless. High contrast doesn't make colors look right. I for one couldn't care less what screen tech is used. I want accurate, not overwrought, color.
It is quite common knowledge that OLED panels suffers from burn-in ... It's their organic component.
Your first link provides no evidence, since you have said anecdotal accounts don't count.
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where according to a post by an AVS Forums member, burn-in appears to have occurred after two months on display. On the other hand, the member is careful to note that the TV was "clearly being abused"
In the second link, the author just makes statements without reference to anything concrete or verifiable, it's actually worse then anecdotal.
Your third link is similar, it's just a bunch of bald statements with no reference to evidence whatsoever. Like the second link, it amounts to little more than hearsay.
Why go on, you don't seem to have a grasp as to what 'evidence' entails. All your links do have a common theme, however, in that their authors make clear that their 'comments' about burn-in are all in the context of abnormal use-cases or outright abuse.
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Originally Posted by Ignomini
cnucbul, which part of "Darker UIs can help to stretch out battery life on OLED displays" do you not understand? Apple uses a lot of glaring white backgrounds. Unless or until they go to a predominantly black background, the use of OLED is perhaps not the best idea. Also, tech specs like contrast ratio are meaningless. High contrast doesn't make colors look right. I for one couldn't care less what screen tech is used. I want accurate, not overwrought, color.
Which part of 'I never said anything about battery life' do you not understand? You seem to be advocating low to middling contrast as somehow superior, well I guess each to their own. I commend to you Anandtech's evaluation of the Samsung S6 display, in particular their comments regarding colour accuracy:
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Overall, from a color standpoint it’s looking like Samsung has made one of the best displays available on the market today. Color accuracy is at the point where it’s pretty safe to say that the calibration doesn’t have clear color errors, and the peak brightness of the display is incredibly high
Your first link provides no evidence, since you have said anecdotal accounts don't count.
In the second link, the author just makes statements without reference to anything concrete or verifiable, it's actually worse then anecdotal.
Your third link is similar, it's just a bunch of bald statements with no reference to evidence whatsoever. Like the second link, it amounts to little more than hearsay.
Why go on, you don't seem to have a grasp as to what 'evidence' entails. All your links do have a common theme, however, in that their authors make clear that their 'comments' about burn-in are all in the context of abnormal use-cases or outright abuse.
Which part of 'I never said anything about battery life' do you not understand? You seem to be advocating low to middling contrast as somehow superior, well I guess each to their own. I commend to you Anandtech's evaluation of the Samsung S6 display, in particular their comments regarding colour accuracy:
No, of course you don't, IPS panels are always perfect and never suffer any issues whatsoever....
It's good of Apple to have acknowledged the problem and instituted an official repair program.
You miss one point though - what you posted with delaminated coating is a guaranteed case for replacement.
But the case in the link I posted is not only not covered by Samsung warranty, but also - it is just the way the screen was designed. So, no replacement in that case..
You are dismissing tons of articles stating that burn in is an issue on EVERY "organic" display (plasma ed OLED) basically because .... you said so.
how biased you are ?
That picture has NOTHING to do with the IPS panel ... it is related only to the glass over it....
The same could be said about you. You state that something annecdotal is not evidence, then reply with a link that contains no less than a hearsay annecdotal story about burn in caused by abuse, which you are now complaining I don't accept as evidence. Do you know what 'irony' is?
I don't know about your 'tons' of articles, I just read the three you provide links for and they don't reference anything that amounts to anything I would regard as meaningful evidence. Perhaps you would like to quote the bits you believe to be evidentially based?
You are correct, it appears to be a manufacturing problem that can lead to delamination. Which is possibly not dissimilar to the problem that seems to be affecting some S6 samples mentioned in the article - where one person thought it might be an adhesive problem and another just an assembly problem. There is nothing, one way or the other, to indicate a problem with the OLED panel.
I don't know about your 'tons' of articles, I just read the three you provide links for and they don't reference anything that amounts to anything I would regard as meaningful evidence. Perhaps you would like to quote the bits you believe to be evidentially based?
Q1. If there is no problem with AMOLED, why then there are so many forums and webpages on that topic which you can find by googling "AMOLED burn in" or "Samsung burn in"?
Those of you with Active-Matrix Organic Light-Emitting Diode (AMOLED) displays may eventually suffer from a defect known as “burn-in”. Frequently displayed images — like the lockscreen — can permanently imprint onto the screen. Fortunately, there’s a number of apps and precautionary methods that can mitigate display damage. For already burned screens, there are some somewhat experimental steps which might offset the damage.
Q2. If there is no problem, as you suggested, why attempting to mitigate a nonexistent problem then?
Q3. " For already burned screens,"
What burned screens, if, as you suggested, it is just "anecdotal evidence" and that really there is non issue with AMOLED tech?
It is actually quite obvious why Apple didn't jump onto AMOLED bandwagon - it is burn-in-free image that is impossible to promise. Hence, Apple rejected the tech for a while.
We might as well use numbers from the same source to mitigate possible differences between individual phones. The Note 5 registered at 440 nits at manual max brightness and 861 on auto in the Displaymate article I linked.
well, his guessing here is based on supply chain, so it could be right...
do not forget about burn-in, an issue still affecting OLED and almost non existent on LCDs
It exists. Burn in is completely a non issue for LCD.
I was warned about burn-in on plasma TVs but went ahead and bought a Panasonic Viera anyway. Many years later - surprise, surprise - no burn-in whatsoever. I have an OLED screened phone that is now 5 years old and which has seen daily use. There is no evidence of any burn-in whatsoever or that other false meme, fading of blues.
I'm sure burn-in is a real issue in some extreme use cases, but there are now many millions of devices in use with OLED screens and a complete lack of any evidence of a large scale problem.
Burn in was a serious problem for older plasmas. Newer plasma technologies eventually fixed the problem. But by then, people lost their interest, and most plasma manufacturers stopped making them.
Burn in is a problem for AMOLED. But most people don't have the screen on enough, and don't have the same image on for very long periods of time. But the problem will show up if the brightness is kept high and the same app is used most of the time. But it can take a couple of years, and possibly more before it becomes a real issue.
Yes, a link to that article was posted earlier. What were the conditions that led to the burn-in in the example provided? The author doesn't refer to the example or reference it in any way.
I don't say burn-in can't happen with OLED, clearly it can, my stance is that it isn't likely to be an issue with a normal usage pattern. How many times have there been articles on here about alleged problems with Apple products where most people blame user stupidity? I suspect that same issue may be at work here.
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By the way, you can Google AMOLED screen burn in and find nice pictures of it at the top of the rankings.
Ok. My last for now. Look, this problem has been getting better over time, but it's still an issue.
Do a Google images search on phone oled burn-in and sure, you get a few results, but given the many tens of millions of OLED panels that are in phones I would say the search results produce very few results that are actually burn-in and not something else.
Do a similar search for 'iPhone screen issue' .... oh dear.... except an awful lot have been sold so some proportion are just going to have issues. I would say the same for the relatively few instances of genuine OLED burn-in there seem to be reports of
The first link you gave just states there can be an issue, but like most of the others, it provides no evidence, just states the problem exists and relies on the reader taking the journalists word for it. However, towards the end of the article, the author states:
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That said, some Galaxy Nexus users (one of the first AMOLED screens introduced in the Android ecosystem) have phones with very little burn-in. So the durability of even first generation screens seems to be good.
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Anyone else have an AMOLED screen with burn-in? What steps have you taken to fix it? Let us know in the comments.
There are 15 comments in reply to that article. Of those only one person said they had suffered burn in. As with all other instances of actual OLED burn-in, he was doing something out of the ordinary:
They absolutely suffer from this problem. I have the Galaxy Note Edge (which supposedly has the best display along with the Note 4 of any phone currently) and I have a few spots of noticable burn in. To be fair, this isn’t so much the fault of the phone as it was my previous addiction to an idling game called Tap Titans lol. Now I have 3 circles burned in near the top of my screen, and the navigation bar is getting burned in too. I tried to combat the 3 circles by inverting my colors and playing in one handed mode so that the entire burned in portion would be white, but that was actually a bad idea as described in this article.
All in all, I clocked in 244 hours in that game over the span of a month and a half (like I said, idle game so doesn’t really require attention) and a majority of my time spent playing was on the charger which caused my device to get hot as hell when coupled with the hours of running a somewhat intensive game.
So sad. Oh well, if it ever gets too bad to deal with I can attempt to warranty it or just buy a replacement LCD.
So OK, I'll agree that if you want to have your phone displaying a static image for hundreds of hours then you should buy one with an LCD screen. Personally I don't do that and the 5 years of daily use OLED screen in my phone is still without any issues.
By the way, I am still waiting for the explanation as to why Apple haven't been criticised for using an OLED screen on the ?Watch given this supposed huge potential for burn-in.
I know it doesn't, just as the post it was in reply to didn't, being also a likely manufacturing/assembly issue, as I pointed out in a post above.
Yes, a link to that article was posted earlier. What were the conditions that led to the burn-in in the example provided? The author doesn't refer to the example or reference it in any way.
I don't say burn-in can't happen with OLED, clearly it can, my stance is that it isn't likely to be an issue with a normal usage pattern. How many times have there been articles on here about alleged problems with Apple products where most people blame user stupidity? I suspect that same issue may be at work here.
Do a Google images search on phone oled burn-in and sure, you get a few results, but given the many tens of millions of OLED panels that are in phones I would say the search results produce very few results that are actually burn-in and not something else.
Do a similar search for 'iPhone screen issue' .... oh dear.... except an awful lot have been sold so some proportion are just going to have issues. I would say the same for the relatively few instances of genuine OLED burn-in there seem to be reports of
The first link you gave just states there can be an issue, but like most of the others, it provides no evidence, just states the problem exists and relies on the reader taking the journalists word for it. However, towards the end of the article, the author states:
There are 15 comments in reply to that article. Of those only one person said they had suffered burn in. As with all other instances of actual OLED burn-in, he was doing something out of the ordinary:
So OK, I'll agree that if you want to have your phone displaying a static image for hundreds of hours then you should buy one with an LCD screen. Personally I don't do that and the 5 years of daily use OLED screen in my phone is still without any issues.
By the way, I am still waiting for the explanation as to why Apple haven't been criticised for using an OLED screen on the ?Watch given this supposed huge potential for burn-in.
What you're trying to do so valiantly here, is to deny all of the evidence that proves you wrong. I could post a lot more, as can others, as well as a lot of photos of burned in screens, but you will still come up with these useless excuses as to why it isn't real, or doesn't matter. Burn in is real. You don't have to like that, but it's true. Now, stop wasting our time on this.
No doubt, burn in is an issue for the Apple Watch as well. But these smartwatches are looked at for a much shorter time than a smartphone. People can use their smartphone for a long time, playing games, and photo and video editing, etc. It's not likely that a smartwatch, particularly one that doesn't keep the clock function on all the time, will have a real issue with this, and that goes for all smartwatches that use a high quality AMOLED.
The same could be said about you. You state that something annecdotal is not evidence, then reply with a link that contains no less than a hearsay annecdotal story about burn in caused by abuse, which you are now complaining I don't accept as evidence. Do you know what 'irony' is?
I don't know about your 'tons' of articles, I just read the three you provide links for and they don't reference anything that amounts to anything I would regard as meaningful evidence. Perhaps you would like to quote the bits you believe to be evidentially based?
You are correct, it appears to be a manufacturing problem that can lead to delamination. Which is possibly not dissimilar to the problem that seems to be affecting some S6 samples mentioned in the article - where one person thought it might be an adhesive problem and another just an assembly problem. There is nothing, one way or the other, to indicate a problem with the OLED panel.
so you are not able to do a little search about "OLED burn in" and find out by yourself ?
I know the reason: you just want to be right, discharging every other fact....
I know it doesn't, just as the post it was in reply to didn't, being also a likely manufacturing/assembly issue, as I pointed out in a post above.
Yes, a link to that article was posted earlier. What were the conditions that led to the burn-in in the example provided? The author doesn't refer to the example or reference it in any way.
I don't say burn-in can't happen with OLED, clearly it can, my stance is that it isn't likely to be an issue with a normal usage pattern. How many times have there been articles on here about alleged problems with Apple products where most people blame user stupidity? I suspect that same issue may be at work here.
Do a Google images search on phone oled burn-in and sure, you get a few results, but given the many tens of millions of OLED panels that are in phones I would say the search results produce very few results that are actually burn-in and not something else.
Do a similar search for 'iPhone screen issue' .... oh dear.... except an awful lot have been sold so some proportion are just going to have issues. I would say the same for the relatively few instances of genuine OLED burn-in there seem to be reports of
The first link you gave just states there can be an issue, but like most of the others, it provides no evidence, just states the problem exists and relies on the reader taking the journalists word for it. However, towards the end of the article, the author states:
There are 15 comments in reply to that article. Of those only one person said they had suffered burn in. As with all other instances of actual OLED burn-in, he was doing something out of the ordinary:
So OK, I'll agree that if you want to have your phone displaying a static image for hundreds of hours then you should buy one with an LCD screen. Personally I don't do that and the 5 years of daily use OLED screen in my phone is still without any issues.
By the way, I am still waiting for the explanation as to why Apple haven't been criticised for using an OLED screen on the ?Watch given this supposed huge potential for burn-in.
Apple Watch display if turned off most of the time, and surely not showing a static image at higher brightness setting.
You can't say the same for a phone's screen, where high brightness is normal outside (especially on AMOLED) and there are some static elements like status bar....
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anecdotal evidences don't count.
Burn-in is an issue for both plasma and OLED panels. I'm happy that you weren't affected, but is is entirely possible for others, especially with some almost fixed UI elements like status bar/clock.
So where is your non-anecdotal evidence that burn-in is a problem with OLED panels?
anecdotal evidences don't count.
Burn-in is an issue for both plasma and OLED panels. I'm happy that you weren't affected, but is is entirely possible for others, especially with some almost fixed UI elements like status bar/clock.
Even if there is no burn in, there is panel aging, color shifting that's a definite problem.
The higher the brightness, the quicker the aging.
So, a fantastic expense OLED TV in 2015, may not even beat an average one in 2020.
LCD's are much more durable. I still use 13 inch LCD monitors from 2001 in our server room....
Plasmas from 2014 (last year they made them) had aging too (and some burn-in with some content), but the issue is not really a problem for most use.
I got a plasma and LCD images are way way worse in almost every way!
Yet, I'd be pissed out if I spent $3K on TV that looked crappy in 5 years.
Some people don't mind that, but the core of the market expects their TV to last longer than that.
Even if there is no burn in, there is panel aging, color shifting that's a definite problem.
The higher the brightness, the quicker the aging.
So, a fantastic expense OLED TV in 2015, may not even beat an average one in 2020.
LCD's are much more durable. I still use 13 inch LCD monitors from 2001 in our server room....
Plasmas from 2014 (last year they made them) had aging too (and some burn-in with some content), but the issue is not really a problem for most use.
I got a plasma and LCD images are way way worse in almost every way!
Yet, I'd be pissed out if I spent $3K on TV that looked crappy in 5 years.
Some people don't mind that, but the core of the market expects their TV to last longer than that.
Here is a a photo I took of my phone displaying a photo taken with it, next to my MBPR which is also displaying exactly the same image file. There is no retouching trickery. I adjusted the brightness of the Pro to match:
There has been no panel aging or colour shift that I can see.
Now my phone is one of the first few to have an OLED screen (2010). there have been probably 6 or 7 generations worth of improvement since then. If Apple were to choose an OLED panel for a phone it would likely be one which is state-of-the-art, like the one in the Samsung S6. I don't think there are any sunlight legibility, burn-in, colour-shift, or any other of the touted potential drawbacks in current state-of-the-art panels that would ever, if they exist, be an issue within the likely life of a phone.
I have not seen anyone claim any of these issues are likely to arise in the ?Watch.
So where is your non-anecdotal evidence that burn-in is a problem with OLED panels?
http://www.cnet.com/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/
http://www.alphr.com/realworld/386635/are-amoled-displays-at-risk-of-burn-in
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/oled-vs-led-which-is-the-better-tv-technology/
... I can go on.
It is quite common knowledge that OLED panels suffers from burn-in ... It's their organic component.
http://www.cnet.com/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/
http://www.alphr.com/realworld/386635/are-amoled-displays-at-risk-of-burn-in
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/oled-vs-led-which-is-the-better-tv-technology/
... I can go on.
It is quite common knowledge that OLED panels suffers from burn-in ... It's their organic component.
Your first link provides no evidence, since you have said anecdotal accounts don't count.
In the second link, the author just makes statements without reference to anything concrete or verifiable, it's actually worse then anecdotal.
Your third link is similar, it's just a bunch of bald statements with no reference to evidence whatsoever. Like the second link, it amounts to little more than hearsay.
Why go on, you don't seem to have a grasp as to what 'evidence' entails. All your links do have a common theme, however, in that their authors make clear that their 'comments' about burn-in are all in the context of abnormal use-cases or outright abuse.
cnucbul, which part of "Darker UIs can help to stretch out battery life on OLED displays" do you not understand? Apple uses a lot of glaring white backgrounds. Unless or until they go to a predominantly black background, the use of OLED is perhaps not the best idea. Also, tech specs like contrast ratio are meaningless. High contrast doesn't make colors look right. I for one couldn't care less what screen tech is used. I want accurate, not overwrought, color.
Which part of 'I never said anything about battery life' do you not understand? You seem to be advocating low to middling contrast as somehow superior, well I guess each to their own. I commend to you Anandtech's evaluation of the Samsung S6 display, in particular their comments regarding colour accuracy:
http://anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/4
If Apple were to choose an OLED panel for a phone it would likely be one which is state-of-the-art, like the one in the Samsung S6
Do you mean, like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/phone-please-try-thispossible-screen-t3072949/page3
You don't have that kind of stuff on IPS panels though...
Do you mean, like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/phone-please-try-thispossible-screen-t3072949/page3
You don't have that kind of stuff on IPS panels though...
No, of course you don't, IPS panels are always perfect and never suffer any issues whatsoever....
It's good of Apple to have acknowledged the problem and instituted an official repair program.
Your first link provides no evidence, since you have said anecdotal accounts don't count.
In the second link, the author just makes statements without reference to anything concrete or verifiable, it's actually worse then anecdotal.
Your third link is similar, it's just a bunch of bald statements with no reference to evidence whatsoever. Like the second link, it amounts to little more than hearsay.
Why go on, you don't seem to have a grasp as to what 'evidence' entails. All your links do have a common theme, however, in that their authors make clear that their 'comments' about burn-in are all in the context of abnormal use-cases or outright abuse.
Which part of 'I never said anything about battery life' do you not understand? You seem to be advocating low to middling contrast as somehow superior, well I guess each to their own. I commend to you Anandtech's evaluation of the Samsung S6 display, in particular their comments regarding colour accuracy:
http://anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/4
you are incredible.
You are dismissing tons of articles stating that burn in is an issue on EVERY "organic" display (plasma ed OLED) basically because .... you said so.
No, of course you don't, IPS panels are always perfect and never suffer any issues whatsoever....
It's good of Apple to have acknowledged the problem and instituted an official repair program.
how biased you are ?
That picture has NOTHING to do with the IPS panel ... it is related only to the glass over it....
No, of course you don't, IPS panels are always perfect and never suffer any issues whatsoever....
It's good of Apple to have acknowledged the problem and instituted an official repair program.
You miss one point though - what you posted with delaminated coating is a guaranteed case for replacement.
But the case in the link I posted is not only not covered by Samsung warranty, but also - it is just the way the screen was designed. So, no replacement in that case..
you are incredible.
You are dismissing tons of articles stating that burn in is an issue on EVERY "organic" display (plasma ed OLED) basically because .... you said so.
how biased you are ?
That picture has NOTHING to do with the IPS panel ... it is related only to the glass over it....
The same could be said about you. You state that something annecdotal is not evidence, then reply with a link that contains no less than a hearsay annecdotal story about burn in caused by abuse, which you are now complaining I don't accept as evidence. Do you know what 'irony' is?
I don't know about your 'tons' of articles, I just read the three you provide links for and they don't reference anything that amounts to anything I would regard as meaningful evidence. Perhaps you would like to quote the bits you believe to be evidentially based?
You are correct, it appears to be a manufacturing problem that can lead to delamination. Which is possibly not dissimilar to the problem that seems to be affecting some S6 samples mentioned in the article - where one person thought it might be an adhesive problem and another just an assembly problem. There is nothing, one way or the other, to indicate a problem with the OLED panel.
I don't know about your 'tons' of articles, I just read the three you provide links for and they don't reference anything that amounts to anything I would regard as meaningful evidence. Perhaps you would like to quote the bits you believe to be evidentially based?
Q1. If there is no problem with AMOLED, why then there are so many forums and webpages on that topic which you can find by googling "AMOLED burn in" or "Samsung burn in"?
On this particular webpage, for example http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/save-screen-prevent-burn-in-amoled-screens/
it says:
Q2. If there is no problem, as you suggested, why attempting to mitigate a nonexistent problem then?
Q3. " For already burned screens,"
What burned screens, if, as you suggested, it is just "anecdotal evidence" and that really there is non issue with AMOLED tech?
It is actually quite obvious why Apple didn't jump onto AMOLED bandwagon - it is burn-in-free image that is impossible to promise. Hence, Apple rejected the tech for a while.
The one I linked to had the numbers I stated.
It exists. Burn in is completely a non issue for LCD.
Burn in was a serious problem for older plasmas. Newer plasma technologies eventually fixed the problem. But by then, people lost their interest, and most plasma manufacturers stopped making them.
Burn in is a problem for AMOLED. But most people don't have the screen on enough, and don't have the same image on for very long periods of time. But the problem will show up if the brightness is kept high and the same app is used most of the time. But it can take a couple of years, and possibly more before it becomes a real issue.
Of course, what you showed there has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion you're having.
Another article about AMOLED screen burn, with an example.
http://www.alphr.com/realworld/386635/are-amoled-displays-at-risk-of-burn-in
By the way, you can Google AMOLED screen burn in and find nice pictures of it at the top of the rankings.
And another
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/save-screen-prevent-burn-in-amoled-screens/
And another
http://vr-zone.com/articles/samsung-denies-responsibility-for-galaxy-s3-screen-burn-in/16616.html
Ok. My last for now. Look, this problem has been getting better over time, but it's still an issue.
Of course, what you showed there has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion you're having.
I know it doesn't, just as the post it was in reply to didn't, being also a likely manufacturing/assembly issue, as I pointed out in a post above.
http://www.alphr.com/realworld/386635/are-amoled-displays-at-risk-of-burn-in
Yes, a link to that article was posted earlier. What were the conditions that led to the burn-in in the example provided? The author doesn't refer to the example or reference it in any way.
I don't say burn-in can't happen with OLED, clearly it can, my stance is that it isn't likely to be an issue with a normal usage pattern. How many times have there been articles on here about alleged problems with Apple products where most people blame user stupidity? I suspect that same issue may be at work here.
And another
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/save-screen-prevent-burn-in-amoled-screens/
And another
http://vr-zone.com/articles/samsung-denies-responsibility-for-galaxy-s3-screen-burn-in/16616.html
Ok. My last for now. Look, this problem has been getting better over time, but it's still an issue.
Do a Google images search on phone oled burn-in and sure, you get a few results, but given the many tens of millions of OLED panels that are in phones I would say the search results produce very few results that are actually burn-in and not something else.
Do a similar search for 'iPhone screen issue' .... oh dear.... except an awful lot have been sold so some proportion are just going to have issues. I would say the same for the relatively few instances of genuine OLED burn-in there seem to be reports of
The first link you gave just states there can be an issue, but like most of the others, it provides no evidence, just states the problem exists and relies on the reader taking the journalists word for it. However, towards the end of the article, the author states:
There are 15 comments in reply to that article. Of those only one person said they had suffered burn in. As with all other instances of actual OLED burn-in, he was doing something out of the ordinary:
They absolutely suffer from this problem. I have the Galaxy Note Edge (which supposedly has the best display along with the Note 4 of any phone currently) and I have a few spots of noticable burn in. To be fair, this isn’t so much the fault of the phone as it was my previous addiction to an idling game called Tap Titans lol. Now I have 3 circles burned in near the top of my screen, and the navigation bar is getting burned in too. I tried to combat the 3 circles by inverting my colors and playing in one handed mode so that the entire burned in portion would be white, but that was actually a bad idea as described in this article.
All in all, I clocked in 244 hours in that game over the span of a month and a half (like I said, idle game so doesn’t really require attention) and a majority of my time spent playing was on the charger which caused my device to get hot as hell when coupled with the hours of running a somewhat intensive game.
So sad. Oh well, if it ever gets too bad to deal with I can attempt to warranty it or just buy a replacement LCD.
So OK, I'll agree that if you want to have your phone displaying a static image for hundreds of hours then you should buy one with an LCD screen. Personally I don't do that and the 5 years of daily use OLED screen in my phone is still without any issues.
By the way, I am still waiting for the explanation as to why Apple haven't been criticised for using an OLED screen on the ?Watch given this supposed huge potential for burn-in.
What you're trying to do so valiantly here, is to deny all of the evidence that proves you wrong. I could post a lot more, as can others, as well as a lot of photos of burned in screens, but you will still come up with these useless excuses as to why it isn't real, or doesn't matter. Burn in is real. You don't have to like that, but it's true. Now, stop wasting our time on this.
No doubt, burn in is an issue for the Apple Watch as well. But these smartwatches are looked at for a much shorter time than a smartphone. People can use their smartphone for a long time, playing games, and photo and video editing, etc. It's not likely that a smartwatch, particularly one that doesn't keep the clock function on all the time, will have a real issue with this, and that goes for all smartwatches that use a high quality AMOLED.
The same could be said about you. You state that something annecdotal is not evidence, then reply with a link that contains no less than a hearsay annecdotal story about burn in caused by abuse, which you are now complaining I don't accept as evidence. Do you know what 'irony' is?
I don't know about your 'tons' of articles, I just read the three you provide links for and they don't reference anything that amounts to anything I would regard as meaningful evidence. Perhaps you would like to quote the bits you believe to be evidentially based?
You are correct, it appears to be a manufacturing problem that can lead to delamination. Which is possibly not dissimilar to the problem that seems to be affecting some S6 samples mentioned in the article - where one person thought it might be an adhesive problem and another just an assembly problem. There is nothing, one way or the other, to indicate a problem with the OLED panel.
so you are not able to do a little search about "OLED burn in" and find out by yourself ?
I know the reason: you just want to be right, discharging every other fact....
I know it doesn't, just as the post it was in reply to didn't, being also a likely manufacturing/assembly issue, as I pointed out in a post above.
Yes, a link to that article was posted earlier. What were the conditions that led to the burn-in in the example provided? The author doesn't refer to the example or reference it in any way.
I don't say burn-in can't happen with OLED, clearly it can, my stance is that it isn't likely to be an issue with a normal usage pattern. How many times have there been articles on here about alleged problems with Apple products where most people blame user stupidity? I suspect that same issue may be at work here.
Do a Google images search on phone oled burn-in and sure, you get a few results, but given the many tens of millions of OLED panels that are in phones I would say the search results produce very few results that are actually burn-in and not something else.
Do a similar search for 'iPhone screen issue' .... oh dear.... except an awful lot have been sold so some proportion are just going to have issues. I would say the same for the relatively few instances of genuine OLED burn-in there seem to be reports of
The first link you gave just states there can be an issue, but like most of the others, it provides no evidence, just states the problem exists and relies on the reader taking the journalists word for it. However, towards the end of the article, the author states:
There are 15 comments in reply to that article. Of those only one person said they had suffered burn in. As with all other instances of actual OLED burn-in, he was doing something out of the ordinary:
So OK, I'll agree that if you want to have your phone displaying a static image for hundreds of hours then you should buy one with an LCD screen. Personally I don't do that and the 5 years of daily use OLED screen in my phone is still without any issues.
By the way, I am still waiting for the explanation as to why Apple haven't been criticised for using an OLED screen on the ?Watch given this supposed huge potential for burn-in.
Apple Watch display if turned off most of the time, and surely not showing a static image at higher brightness setting.
You can't say the same for a phone's screen, where high brightness is normal outside (especially on AMOLED) and there are some static elements like status bar....