Samsung unveils new high-speed 256GB storage chips for smartphones

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Consumers may never again have to decide which photos to delete from their phone or which songs to stream from the cloud, as Samsung has announced its first 256-gigabyte storage chips designed specifically for mobile devices.




The new silicon takes advantage of the UFS 2.0 standard, which Samsung says makes them even faster than SATA-attached SSDs used in desktop computers. Sequential reads can reach 850 megabytes per second, with sequential writes clocking 260 megabytes per second.

"By providing high-density UFS memory that is nearly twice as fast as a SATA SSD for PCs, we will contribute to a paradigm shift within the mobile data storage market," Samsung marketing exec Joo Sun Choi said in a release. "We are determined to push the competitive edge in premium storage line-ups - OEM NVMe SSDs, external SSDs, and UFS - by moving aggressively to enhance performance and capacity in all three markets."

Samsung says that the chip itself is smaller than a MicroSD card, a clear win as space inside devices is increasingly constrained by thermal needs and the desire for larger batteries.

In Apple's case, it's not yet clear whether the company intends to move toward UFS in the future. Though Samsung is a major supplier of NAND chips for the iPhone, the iPhone 6s uses a PCI-E-based controller with NVMe, more similar to the storage configuration in the 12-inch MacBook than to Samsung's new solution.
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  • Reply 1 of 18
    Error in article: "Sequential reads can reach 850 megabytes per second, with sequential reads clocking 260 megabytes per second."
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  • Reply 2 of 18
    When can we get this in the form of a 2 or 4 TB external drive? ;)
    brian green
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  • Reply 3 of 18
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    There is no evidence that Apple is using Samsung NAND, they are using primarily Toshiba and San Disk. The most recent teardowns have back this up. Samsung Chips have had less and less presents in Apple products.
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  • Reply 4 of 18
    Apple's spent money on NVMe, they're not going to change storage protocols again. 
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  • Reply 5 of 18
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    applejeff said:
    Error in article: "Sequential reads can reach 850 megabytes per second, with sequential reads clocking 260 megabytes per second."


    yep, reads are always faster than writes and am not sure it is megabytes either, most times it is spec in megabits which 8x slower then megabits

    If this is the case this is going to be expensive memory, I wonder what the over endurance will be, something like 150 erase cycles. You do not want to be erasing that much if this is the case so you better keep all those pictures.

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  • Reply 6 of 18
    maestro64 said:
    applejeff said:
    Error in article: "Sequential reads can reach 850 megabytes per second, with sequential reads clocking 260 megabytes per second."


    yep, reads are always faster than writes and am not sure it is megabytes either, most times it is spec in megabits which 8x slower then megabits


    Storage is never, ever specced in Mbps, and in any case 850 Mbps would be very slow for modern NAND.
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  • Reply 7 of 18
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,737member
    Apple's spent money on NVMe, they're not going to change storage protocols again. 
    Since the iPhone 7 rumors include one with 256GB I personally wouldn't see it as a huge surprise to find it's this Samsung chip. 5GB in just 12 seconds is darn speedy.
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  • Reply 8 of 18
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
    When can we get this in the form of a 2 or 4 TB external drive?
    Still will have the bottle neck of SATA and USB connections if they are the slowest part in the chain.

    But it would make for some very small storage units.
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    doozydozen
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  • Reply 9 of 18
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,559moderator
    When can we get this in the form of a 2 or 4 TB external drive? ;)
    In just a few days for 2TB for a mini drive:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3035540/data-storage/review-samsungs-business-card-sized-ssd-offers-2tb-and-nears-internal-drive-speeds.html
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Portable-External-MU-PT2T0B-AM/dp/B01AVF6UHK

    The following larger form factor ones seem to have been available for a while:

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E2T0B-AM/dp/B010QD6W9I
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-7KE2T0BW/dp/B010QD6RX4

    The prices are still pretty high though. Hopefully Apple can adjust their Mac options this year. They are still at over $1/GB. It would be good to just have base 256GB and then $200 for 512GB, $500 for 1TB and $800 for 1.5TB.

    If the prices haven't changed, it will likely mean the iPhones still have a 16GB entry point. Sometimes manufacturers cut off production of entry level chips but as long as the competition keeps offering cheaper alternatives, they all have to.
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  • Reply 10 of 18
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    When can we get this in the form of a 2 or 4 TB external drive? ;)
    You can't.  You are not allowed to buy Samsung products - remember.

    ;-)
    dasanman691983singularity
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  • Reply 11 of 18
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    maestro64 said:
    There is no evidence that Apple is using Samsung NAND, they are using primarily Toshiba and San Disk. The most recent teardowns have back this up. Samsung Chips have had less and less presents in Apple products.
    2015 ifixit teardown of the 13" macbook Pro says they are using Samsung NAND.  They used Toshiba in the iPad Pro.
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  • Reply 12 of 18
    Marvin said:
    When can we get this in the form of a 2 or 4 TB external drive? ;)
    In just a few days for 2TB for a mini drive:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3035540/data-storage/review-samsungs-business-card-sized-ssd-offers-2tb-and-nears-internal-drive-speeds.html
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Portable-External-MU-PT2T0B-AM/dp/B01AVF6UHK

    The following larger form factor ones seem to have been available for a while:

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E2T0B-AM/dp/B010QD6W9I
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-7KE2T0BW/dp/B010QD6RX4

    The prices are still pretty high though. Hopefully Apple can adjust their Mac options this year. They are still at over $1/GB. It would be good to just have base 256GB and then $200 for 512GB, $500 for 1TB and $800 for 1.5TB.

    If the prices haven't changed, it will likely mean the iPhones still have a 16GB entry point. Sometimes manufacturers cut off production of entry level chips but as long as the competition keeps offering cheaper alternatives, they all have to.
    Good info! Thanks, Marvin.
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  • Reply 13 of 18
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member


    In Apple's case, it's not yet clear whether the company intends to move toward UFS in the future. Though Samsung is a major supplier of NAND chips for the iPhone, the iPhone 6s uses a PCI-E-based controller with NVMe, more similar to the storage configuration in the 12-inch MacBook than to Samsung's new solution.

    Last I knew there wasn't a PCI-E controller anywhere inside Apples SOC.   My impression was that the controller interfacing to flash is custom.  

    In in any event I can see Apple easily changing the physical interface to flash if the benefits are there.   256GB in a fast chip is a big benefit.  
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  • Reply 14 of 18
    linkmanlinkman Posts: 1,068member
    Consumers may never again have to decide which photos to delete from their phone or which songs to stream from the cloud, as Samsung has announced its first 256-gigabyte storage chips designed specifically for mobile devices.
    Never say never. If you build it I will fill it.
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  • Reply 15 of 18
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    cnocbui said:
    maestro64 said:
    There is no evidence that Apple is using Samsung NAND, they are using primarily Toshiba and San Disk. The most recent teardowns have back this up. Samsung Chips have had less and less presents in Apple products.
    2015 ifixit teardown of the 13" macbook Pro says they are using Samsung NAND.  They used Toshiba in the iPad Pro.

    that is an SSD not raw NAND device, plus Apple integrated the raw NAND chip into the SOC package,
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  • Reply 16 of 18
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Marvin said:
    When can we get this in the form of a 2 or 4 TB external drive? ;)
    In just a few days for 2TB for a mini drive:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3035540/data-storage/review-samsungs-business-card-sized-ssd-offers-2tb-and-nears-internal-drive-speeds.html
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Portable-External-MU-PT2T0B-AM/dp/B01AVF6UHK

    The following larger form factor ones seem to have been available for a while:

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E2T0B-AM/dp/B010QD6W9I
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-7KE2T0BW/dp/B010QD6RX4

    The prices are still pretty high though. Hopefully Apple can adjust their Mac options this year. They are still at over $1/GB. It would be good to just have base 256GB and then $200 for 512GB, $500 for 1TB and $800 for 1.5TB.

    If the prices haven't changed, it will likely mean the iPhones still have a 16GB entry point. Sometimes manufacturers cut off production of entry level chips but as long as the competition keeps offering cheaper alternatives, they all have to.
    Nice Marvin but my wallet just screamed in agony.  I would love to have a small bus powered SSD to use as a backup device for my Mac.   The problem here is that I'd go broke buying one of these new Samsungs.  More importantly I'd like to have at least 4 GB of storage. That to back up both my Mac and iTunes disk.  The idea here is to be free of the power adapter that comes with most external drives of that capacity.  

    I guess rotatijg ting rust is still in my future.  
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  • Reply 17 of 18
    appexappex Posts: 687member
    256GB storage chips? What size were the previous ones?
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  • Reply 18 of 18
    Awesome. iPhones and iPads will still start at 16GB so it doesn't mean squat to consumers, but I'm sure this is great news for Apple's profit margins. 
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