Bernie Sanders bemoans Apple's overseas supply chain, tax avoidance strategy

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  • Reply 61 of 82
    mr omr o Posts: 1,046member
    I am disappointed with the article and the subsequent - yet predictable - replies.

    As to the American voter. Do your research instead of retorting into media fed stereotypes.

    >:x
    singularitystourque
  • Reply 62 of 82
    radiospaceradiospace Posts: 180member
    If you are willing to pay $2000 for your next iPhone, insist that it be manufactured in the U.S. with union labor.
  • Reply 63 of 82
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,340member
    designr said:

    "You must vote with a sound mind."...this is where the fatal flaw lies.

    My main point was that voting seems to be what has gotten us into this current mess. I mean the fact that the four people listed are the front-runners is frightening beyond words.
    Indeed.  But we must be careful we don't start sounding like China:

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/17/democracy-is-a-joke-says-china-just-look-at-donald-trump

    I side with China on their dislike of Trump, but I break with the Chinese when it comes to their dislike of Democratic societies.  The Chinese are just using stupid Trump to defend Communism.  It's also scary to think that Mr. Sanders is only a few steps away from Communism with his Socialism.

    So yes, stupid and ignorant voters can make earth a living hell, but what other options do we have?  Mentally challenged people notwithstanding, we need to better educate America.  I don't think anyone can honestly say, "American public schools have been successful in producing the most brilliant thinkers on earth."  We have a lot of work to do on that front.  If we teach them the importance of individual liberty, they will be more resistant to government handouts which put our people in bondage.  Big Government is like a drug and most Americans are addicts.  We need to check America into rehab post haste.
    edited April 2016 designr
  • Reply 64 of 82
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 687member
    Attack the car compies for production, if necessary, but start with the trillion from the financial industry.

    imagine if ms had to produce its shite in the us. Ha!
  • Reply 65 of 82
    Tim Cook has previously stated that Apple doesn't manufacture in China to due labor costs or "overhead". They manufacture in China because it has the infrastructure in place and the U.S. doesn't.
    stevehschwabsauce
  • Reply 66 of 82
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders is a "candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination" and Donald Trump is a "Republican demagogue"? I know Appleinsider is a left leaning operation out of California, but is it too much to ask that you keep name calling out of your articles? Yellow journalism is so 1960's.
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  • Reply 67 of 82
    I bemoan Sanders wrinkly balls.  But seriously I think Tim Cook and Co. have every intention of bringing manufacturing over here.  As it has been said already the US lacks the labor pool to get this done.  Instead of giving handouts we should be handing out training plans.  If you do this, this and this you get this...Some people want want want and do not want to do anything for it.  We need to convert some of those into skilled positions...just not sure how.
    tallest skil
  • Reply 68 of 82
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    okypinoky said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders is a "candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination" and Donald Trump is a "Republican demagogue"? I know Appleinsider is a left leaning operation out of California, but is it too much to ask that you keep name calling out of your articles? Yellow journalism is so 1960's.
    Demagogue seems an apt if polite way of describing Trump.
  • Reply 69 of 82
    jdw said:
    If we teach them the importance of individual liberty, they will be more resistant to government handouts which put our people in bondage.  Big Government is like a drug and most Americans are addicts.  We need to check America into rehab post haste.
    The ability to incorporate your business and benefit from the various legal and tax advantages that status provides is, in fact, a "government handout".
  • Reply 70 of 82
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Why does the author of this opinion piece call Trump a demagogue, but not Sanders?
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  • Reply 71 of 82
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    Why does the author of this opinion piece call Trump a demagogue, but not Sanders?
    Because calling Trump a cockwomble would be classed as bad journalism?
     :p 
    volcan
  • Reply 72 of 82
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    tallest skil said:

    Literally as far opposite as possible on economic issues, extremely far apart on the amount of control exerted by the government, and quite far apart on social issues.
    True, however they are both courting the same demographic. Disenfranchised middle class whites, mostly without a college education, although Sanders does far better with women than Trump.
  • Reply 73 of 82
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,337member
    volcan said:
    fallenjt said:
    That's right. I'll like to vote to legalize WEED in California...
    Weed is already a legal incorporated city in California /s

    Just joking. BTW marijuana is bad for your health no matter how you ingest it. You will eventually figure that out but take your time, no rush.

    Nice Marijuana generalization... A very close friend who used it for appetite and pain management through chemo and radiation for an aggressive breast cancer may have a little different opinion. I'll ask her what she thinks because she is still here with us today.
    edited April 2016
  • Reply 74 of 82
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,053member
    Tim Cook has previously stated that Apple doesn't manufacture in China to due labor costs or "overhead". They manufacture in China because it has the infrastructure in place and the U.S. doesn't.
    Technically, Apple don't manufacture at all. Apple design their products (mostly in the US) and Foxconn manufacture those products for Apple. Apple is not like GM or Ford, who actually owns and operates manufacturing plants in the US (Worldwide actually) to make their autos. Apple do not own nor operate the plants that assemble their devices. (Except for the MacPro in Texas) The workers in those plants are Foxconn employes, not Apple employees. That's why I always laugh when the uninformed claims that Apple build their products overseas because labor is cheap. When in fact, Apple products are built overseas because that's where Foxconn have their plants that assembles iPhones. 

    The uninformed claims that if Apple used US labor to build their iPhones, it would add less than $20 to cost of a $600 iPhone. And they are probably correct , if all one counts is the actually labor to assemble an iPhone. But what they fail to add is the cost of first building, owning and operating assembly plants in the US that are capable of assembling over 200 million iPhones a year. The cost of that would add hundreds of dollars to the cost of an iPhone.

    Foxconn has over 12 plants in China alone and can nearly over night switch 2 or 3 of them to assembling just iPhones when needed for the holiday quarter and then have them go back to assembling Xbox, PlayStations, HP laptops, etc., after they meet the iPhone production goal. Foxconn has enough customers to keep their plants busy 24/7. There's no way that Apple can manufacture an iPhone, in their own US plant, for anywhere near what Foxconn charges them to manufacture an iPhone. Not to mention that most of the parts in an iPhone are made overseas, if not by Foxconn themselves, and thus logistically, it makes sense to built an iPhone overseas. Rather than to ship all the necessary parts to the US for assembly. But all the uninformed see, or want to see, is the cost of China labor vs US labor and conclude that Apple is taking away US jobs to take advantage of cheap overseas labor. Most seems to think that Apple actually builds iPhone assembly plants overseas, just to avoid US labor cost. . 
    edited April 2016 designr
  • Reply 75 of 82
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    jcs2305 said:
    volcan said:

    Nice Marijuana generalization...  A very close friend who used it for appetite and pain management through chemo and radiation for an aggressive breast cancer may have a little different opinion.  I'll ask her what she thinks because she is still here with us today. 
    Good point however I was replying to someone who wanted pot legalized in California, I assume for recreational use, because it is already legal for medical use. Even so I still think its use is ultimately unhealthy even if it does alleviate pain. Chemo and radiation are unhealthy as well but necessary in treatments.
    edited April 2016
  • Reply 76 of 82
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,053member
    sog35 said:
    The U.S. shouldn't be entitled to taxes from profits Apple earned overseas. Apple already pays the appropriate taxes in each country they do business in. The U.S. isn't entitled to any of that money. We do need to overhaul our tax code here in the U.S., but to suggest countries should be able to start collecting taxes from money earned in other countries is absurd. 
    BINGO.

    It is absolutely absurd that the USA expects Apple to pay taxes on iPhones sold in China. Apple pays the China tax and that should be it.

    America is the only country in the world that requires its domestic corporations to pay taxes on foreign profits. Its a really stupid tax policy and only leads to companies leaving their cash in foreign countries and not investing in America. Or even worse causing companies like Burger King to move their tax base to another country.

    Actually, way back when, in the 40's, 50's, 60's and maybe 70's, there was a concern that US companies that were capable of operating in foreign countries would use their oversea profits to unfairly compete against US companies that operated their business only in the US. Therefore, if those profits were brought back into the US, they were taxed as though it was made here. This to take away any advantage of paying less in foreign taxes on profits that can be used to complete against US only companies.  

    But now of day, with the internet, nearly all companies can sell their products overseas. And having a lower US tax on overseas profits would be an incentive for companies to seek foreign markets. And thus bring in more tax revenue to the US.  It would seem like a win-win situation for businesses and the US government. But liberals would see this as corporate welfare and some how taxpayers would be subsidizing corporations. 

    Another win-win situation would be if the US government allow corporations to use their overseas profit to pay their shareholders a special dividend, every so often, without paying any repatriation tax on any overseas profit use for that purpose. This way, the shareholder pays capital gains tax on money that would otherwise still be sitting overseas. Plus the money would end up in the US economy.  
    edited April 2016
  • Reply 77 of 82
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Why does the author of this opinion piece call Trump a demagogue, but not Sanders?
    Bernie is a huge admirer of failed regimes that have murdered countless millions of people. He is an extremist if there ever was one, but of course,  he's running on the Democrat ticket, so left leaning, propaganda journalists are just simply doing what they always do.
    edited April 2016 tallest skil
  • Reply 78 of 82
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    sog35 said:

    America is the only country in the world that requires its domestic corporations to pay taxes on foreign profits. 
    This is false. For example Australia taxes foreign income, as do a few other countries. In general worldwide corporate tax codes are all over the map and many are quite complicated.

    See this link for more information:

    https://home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/tax-rates-online/corporate-tax-rates-table.html
    edited April 2016 crowley
  • Reply 79 of 82
    stevehsteveh Posts: 480member
    genovelle said:
    cpsro said:
    I'll think of Liam as more than just a one-off, 60-second marketing gimmick, when Apple shows off a roomful of Liams running 24x7 for months.
    When had Apple every given you the whole story? This is a company that built a special room to test the signals of phones that surprised the phone companies when the saw it 3 years later. 
    The only surprising bit might be that Apple built their own EMI lab, as a lot of companies contract out to some third-party testing firm or other.

    Even there, you're usually talking smaller companies, bigger developers will have their own facility and testing group in house.
  • Reply 80 of 82
    I think this is an excellent write-up that accurately and clearly describes most of the issues raised. However, please try to remember that the primary reason that Apple works with Foxconn is because there is no other company in the world that can do what they do. It's not "saving a buck".
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