Google I/O 2016: Android's failure to innovate hands Apple free run at WWDC

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  • Reply 61 of 94
    Well, sounds like professional, but another unprofessional article. I'm sorry.

    If you subscribe tech news on Flipboard or Apple News, you will see that there were bunch of articles implying or saying how innovative Google is around Google  I/O.
    I don't agree with all of those opinions, but thing is that there are bunch of people and journalist who say/think so.
    On the other hands, people thing Apple is not innovative nowadays. 
    Again, I don't agree with all of those opinions, but but thing is that there are bunch of people and journalist who say/think so.

    Did Android fail in getting any industry sector? No. Their market share is increased a lot ( it doesn't mean that they make a lot more money proportion to the increase of market share though.) 

    Also even on Apple Insider article, 

    Apple, Maine Department of Education working to swap 'toy' iPads for MacBooks

    the author quoted, iPads "provide no educational function in the classroom,"
    A few days ago, there was news that Chrome book surpassed MacBook sales in that sector.

    What do they all mean? Apple is not successful in persuading those market.
    iPad? I thought it's too niche product from the beginning. Should you have another device for your sofa?
    iPad is not good enough for using while you are shopping or standing in the lines in front of theaters, and so on.
    Once you get seat and in stable posture, notebook is better.
    Then.. now Apple's lowest MacBooks are over $1000? don't provide memory / storage upgrade option? Customers should buy MBs with more memory when the memory price is high. ( waiting for a few years will bring the price for memory & storage down. ) As their needs grow, they should buy new MacBooks rather than upgrading memory / storage?
    Is world's thinnest that important? Isn't MacBook Air and Pros are already sufficiently thin? Until when Apple would stop making those notebooks thinner? paper thin?

    Those are all blocks for people to choose MacBooks. If it was like the era of pre-unibody MacBook Pros and white/black MacBooks, I would already bought one MacBook and upgrade as my need grow. But I'm hesitating buying one. Whatever model I pick, they are too expensive and make us to buy higher configuration when the memory and the storage are still expensive.
  • Reply 62 of 94
    kevin kee said:
    One word: distraction. Google I/O is all about distraction, distracting the public from their own failure of stagnant projects while providing them with false sense of new technology to make Apple seems like a boring old guy. No one really interested in reality anymore, which is why VR. DED article here is to remind, to open people's eye... but I wonder how many people really care? The shining is too distracting.
    It's also a PR distraction from their real business.  Getting user information for their real customers - advertisers.


    Don't be Evil.
    JongAm Parkai46Dan Andersencali
  • Reply 63 of 94
    peteopeteo Posts: 402member
    Does anyone have solid, common, ongoing uses for VR? It gives good demo, but unlike voice UX or even AR, VR seems to be about a decade too soon.
    Yes games. With room scale and motion controls there's no going back to flat games for me. Also there are allot of great experiences that you only would run maybe 2-3 times. which is fine. Its like going to another country, most you only visit once or twice in a life time.

    100% worth it for me, but to get to main stream price needs to come down. Playstation VR price is getting close.. 
  • Reply 64 of 94
    peteopeteo Posts: 402member
    Until there is a Holodeck, VR is just a toy for gamers... and people that are way too into porn.
    and there are 100's of millions of people in that category 
  • Reply 65 of 94
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    kevin kee said:
    One word: distraction. Google I/O is all about distraction, distracting the public from their own failure of stagnant projects while providing them with false sense of new technology to make Apple seems like a boring old guy. No one really interested in reality anymore, which is why VR. DED article here is to remind, to open people's eye... but I wonder how many people really care? The shining is too distracting.
    It's also a PR distraction from their real business.  Getting user information for their real customers - advertisers.


    Don't be Evil.
    If there was any truth to that then Apple is not unlike the proverbial Judas, selling you out to Google for "30 pieces of silver" for the past 10 years. There would be no other explanation. Therefor Google could not be the privacy danger to Apple users that many make them out to be since Apple is no Judas. Just use your common sense and don't believe every scary thing someone says while expecting you to accept it at face-value, no questions asked. 
    edited May 2016 morrolan
  • Reply 66 of 94
    maccadmaccad Posts: 87member
    Wow! A masterful takedown of Google, et al. DED should be required reading for all the analysts on Wall Street.
    Dan_Dilgerpatchythepirate
  • Reply 67 of 94
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    "Free run"? Did the author mean "free reign"?
  • Reply 68 of 94
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    "Free run"? Did the author mean "free reign"?
    or "free rein" as in letting the horse run wild. 
  • Reply 69 of 94
    vvswarupvvswarup Posts: 336member
    peteo said:
    Does anyone have solid, common, ongoing uses for VR? It gives good demo, but unlike voice UX or even AR, VR seems to be about a decade too soon.
    Yes games. With room scale and motion controls there's no going back to flat games for me. Also there are allot of great experiences that you only would run maybe 2-3 times. which is fine. Its like going to another country, most you only visit once or twice in a life time.

    100% worth it for me, but to get to main stream price needs to come down. Playstation VR price is getting close.. 
    Sure, games are definitely an application of VR but in order to provide a good gaming experience, the phone needs to have good internals. I don't think low-end Android devices are going to cut it. You have manufacturers trying to make a profit in a price-conscious market. There's little motivation for manufacturers operating in this kind of a market to use high-quality components needed to provide a good gaming experience. 

    Google's business model is based on driving people towards Google services in order to generate ad revenue. It makes no difference to Google if a user owns a low-end or high-end Android phone as long as they're using Google's services. If that's the case, what incentive does Google have to make high-end devices a priority in order to drive the use of a VR feature?
    ai46
  • Reply 70 of 94
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    vvswarup said:
    peteo said:
    Does anyone have solid, common, ongoing uses for VR? It gives good demo, but unlike voice UX or even AR, VR seems to be about a decade too soon.
    Yes games. With room scale and motion controls there's no going back to flat games for me. Also there are allot of great experiences that you only would run maybe 2-3 times. which is fine. Its like going to another country, most you only visit once or twice in a life time.

    100% worth it for me, but to get to main stream price needs to come down. Playstation VR price is getting close.. 
    Sure, games are definitely an application of VR but in order to provide a good gaming experience, the phone needs to have good internals. I don't think low-end Android devices are going to cut it. You have manufacturers trying to make a profit in a price-conscious market. There's little motivation for manufacturers operating in this kind of a market to use high-quality components needed to provide a good gaming experience. 

    Google's business model is based on driving people towards Google services in order to generate ad revenue. It makes no difference to Google if a user owns a low-end or high-end Android phone as long as they're using Google's services. If that's the case, what incentive does Google have to make high-end devices a priority in order to drive the use of a VR feature?
    1. For a good user experience, keeping them in the fold.
    2. Google is trying to gradually wean itself from so heavy a reliance on ad revenue. 
    Dan Andersen
  • Reply 71 of 94
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    redstater said:
    Apple fans view Android as a failed product (even as Apple "adopts" more and more Android features) that will inevitably crash. People in the U.S. and worldwide continue to buy more Android products. Frustration over their failed predictions of Android doom cause even more such predictions, which fuel even more frustration. Year after year after year. Rinse, lather, repeat.

    On the profit side, the only one that matters, Android is a failing product for most companies that make it.

     But, hey whatever, continue expounding your false equivalency narrative.
    ericthehalfbeenolamacguyai46
  • Reply 72 of 94
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member
    Warning! Misleading Samsung profit chart. The chart is two years old and by chance ends exactly in the worst quarter Samsung had. It did since recover recording up to 100% higher profits a year later!
    You are incorrect. Samsung has never recovered to its peak profits from 2013, as the article states.

    Further, there were four quarters of YoY drops to the bottom, then three more worse YoY quarters that were sequentially better, then leveling out at a much lower rate. Today it still at 2/3 of its peak. Samsung doesn't have the cyclicality of Apple.

    On top, as the article notes, this is all of Samsung. Samsung Mobile, which is the segment equivalent to Apple, now contributes just 58 percent of the company's profits, vs 70% in 2014. So its smartphones have collapsed and not recovered, and any bounce back has been from sales of displays, chips and other businesses.

    The key fact is that Android's biggest licensee (50% of the platform) saw its phone business get crushed and that business has not "recovered" in the slightest since then. 


    patchythepirateericthehalfbee
  • Reply 73 of 94
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member

    redstater said:
    Apple fans view Android as a failed product (even as Apple "adopts" more and more Android features) that will inevitably crash. People in the U.S. and worldwide continue to buy more Android products. Frustration over their failed predictions of Android doom cause even more such predictions, which fuel even more frustration. Year after year after year. Rinse, lather, repeat.
    Apple also adopted some features associated with Symbian and Palm, so not sure what your point is. 

    Android phones sell for an ASP of $250. So most of the sales it's achieving are customers Apple doesn't even want. Those customers grow up and switch to iPhones. That's the trend feeding Apple's growth, and we've seen in it happening for many years.

    The primary predictions concerning Android that have failed to come true were grandiose brags from Google. Android has not become a premium brand nor a fictional platform developers can make sustainable money on. That's why its only serving as a feature phone replacement.  
    patchythepiratenolamacguy
  • Reply 74 of 94
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member

    Cobra101 said:
    I get the impression that DED is not too fond of Google or Android.

    Well, we shall see if Apple brings the innovation next month I guess and again in Sept. most likely.

    Not seen anything this year 5 months in to the year.
    Apple doesn't typically release products in the spring. But it did release iOS 9.3 in March, which is as big as any Android refresh.

    From wikipedia: 

    iOS 9.3 was released on March 21, 2016, with new 3D Touch shortcuts (iPhone 6s and 6s Plus only), Night Shift Mode,[17] Notes with password protection and Touch ID, improvements in News, improvements to the Health app, CarPlay updates for Apple Music and Apple Maps, new languages for Siri, multi-user mode for iPad in education, support for pairing multiple Apple Watches to one iPhoneWi-fi calling for AT&T and Verizon only, major bug fixes, and improvements in speed and battery life.[18]iOS 9.3's Night Shift is a significant feature that shifts the display's colors to a warmer, less blue, light so that it lowers the effect of the screen's light on a user's circadian rhythms.
    patchythepirateai46
  • Reply 75 of 94
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member

    mattinoz said:

    A potential application of modularity in tightly integrated devices might be the Apple Watch, should Apple plan to offer a swap out of the S1 module in some of their first generation watches.  This would make sense for a very expensive product like the gold variant of the Apple Watch, as the lifespan, and value (at least perceived value) of the watch case far exceeds that of the engine.

    That's a logic board replacement, and has nothing in common with Ara, which initially sought to replace components on the logic board, then realized how ridiculous that was after a couple YEARS. And now its about integrating peripherals into the case of a phone. Which is just plain dumb.
    ai46
  • Reply 76 of 94
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member

    mattinoz said:

    A potential application of modularity in tightly integrated devices might be the Apple Watch, should Apple plan to offer a swap out of the S1 module in some of their first generation watches.  This would make sense for a very expensive product like the gold variant of the Apple Watch, as the lifespan, and value (at least perceived value) of the watch case far exceeds that of the engine.

    That's a logic board replacement, and has nothing in common with Ara, which initially sought to replace components on the logic board, then realized how ridiculous that was after a couple YEARS. And now its about integrating peripherals into the case of a phone. Which is just plain dumb.
    Hey, look... We agree!. Ara has little chance of commercial success IMO. Now whether anything useful comes from the project for some future product? Maybe. It just won't be this one. Soli and Jacquard on the other hand may have some actual potential. Levi will ship a real "touch fabric" product, and a Soli interface may be just the thing to jumpstart the smartwatch segment. I think I also read a Soli-enabled smartwatch may ship this year? Yeah, I know, you'll call it "vaporware", but it's a start. 
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 77 of 94
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Until there is a Holodeck, VR is just a toy for gamers... and people that are way too into porn.
    and...?
    ai46
  • Reply 78 of 94
    Dan_DilgerDan_Dilger Posts: 1,583member
    Well, sounds like professional, but another unprofessional article. I'm sorry.

    If you subscribe tech news on Flipboard or Apple News, you will see that there were bunch of articles implying or saying how innovative Google is around Google  I/O.

    Lots of people once expressed the opinion that Microsoft Windows would never lose relevance, too.

    I don't agree with all of those opinions, but thing is that there are bunch of people and journalist who say/think so.
    On the other hands, people thing Apple is not innovative nowadays. 
    Again, I don't agree with all of those opinions, but but thing is that there are bunch of people and journalist who say/think so.

    Yes people say lots of things. Better to rely on data and logic with a factual basis. That's what the article lays out

    Did Android fail in getting any industry sector? No. Their market share is increased a lot ( it doesn't mean that they make a lot more money proportion to the increase of market share though.) 

    Android has very low valuable penetration of the enterprise, and very low penetration in premium consumer. Those happen to be extremely valuable, and the rest of the market is worth very little. That's why Samsung Mobile can make 80 million phones a quarter (half of Android's market) and still make 1/4 as much money as Apple does while seeing 50 million iPhones. 


    Also even on Apple Insider article, 

    Apple, Maine Department of Education working to swap 'toy' iPads for MacBooks

    the author quoted, iPads "provide no educational function in the classroom,"
    A few days ago, there was news that Chrome book surpassed MacBook sales in that sector.

    Did you even read this article before commenting? It references Chromebooks selling in US Education multiple times. But that's a very low value market segment. It was once very important to Macs, and Apple doesn't exactly want to lose it, but it's a very small segment of Apple's current market today, and it's increasingly less valuable. Chromebooks sell for ~ $200 or less, and Apple's iPad/MB leases are quoted in the article you cite above as being around $250. That's not very much. US K-12 is a market Google and its Chrome partners have taken over while making zero money. Good job! A pyrrhic victory.

    What do they all mean? Apple is not successful in persuading those market.
    iPad? I thought it's too niche product from the beginning. Should you have another device for your sofa?
    iPad is not good enough for using while you are shopping or standing in the lines in front of theaters, and so on.
    Once you get seat and in stable posture, notebook is better.

    Whatever your opinion might be, tablets have dramatically taken a toll on the conventional PC market and Apple sells the most tablets (by far) and sells virtually all the most valuable ones (above $200). Apple also has a MacBook business for those who don't want a tablet, and there it sells most of the valuable PCs (above $1000). So not sure what your point is. It's not an opinion that Apple makes virtually all of the money in PCs, tablets and smartphones. Clearly it's doing something right.

    Then.. now Apple's lowest MacBooks are over $1000? don't provide memory / storage upgrade option? Customers should buy MBs with more memory when the memory price is high. ( waiting for a few years will bring the price for memory & storage down. ) As their needs grow, they should buy new MacBooks rather than upgrading memory / storage?
    Is world's thinnest that important? Isn't MacBook Air and Pros are already sufficiently thin? Until when Apple would stop making those notebooks thinner? paper thin?

    Apple's approach is winning, so again, not sure how your opinion matters here.

    Those are all blocks for people to choose MacBooks. If it was like the era of pre-unibody MacBook Pros and white/black MacBooks, I would already bought one MacBook and upgrade as my need grow. But I'm hesitating buying one. Whatever model I pick, they are too expensive and make us to buy higher configuration when the memory and the storage are still expensive.

    Yes Apple has a price premium. Do you post on BMW blogs about how you're considering buying a cheaper car because it's cheaper? 

    patchythepiratewilliamlondonai46cali
  • Reply 79 of 94
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    arlor said:
    And yet my Twitter feed is full of tech writers and Apple bloggers talking about how great I/O was and how Apple really has to bring it at WWDC. The last ATP podcast was all doom and gloom, and Marco even has a post up now comparing Apple to Blackberry. https://marco.org/2016/05/21/avoiding-blackberrys-fate

    I wish there was some place we could get decent Apple reporting that wasn't either D&G silly panic or everything's great Apple's the best they make all the $$$ blah blah blah. If these AI pieces are meant to reassure I don't think they do. If everything was peaches and cream there would be no need to write these pieces in the first place.
    Privacy's great, but there are things that it precludes. I trust Apple to keep my data protected, and also to use it to make my services better. But Apple doesn't seem to trust itself to do so. 
    huh? the whole point of privacy is that no one has the ability to decrypt your communications -- whether that's Apple or the FBI. it has nothing to do with Apple trusting themselves....they already do obviously, as they hold your credit card data. 
  • Reply 80 of 94
    crimguycrimguy Posts: 124member
    jkichline said:
    crimguy said:
    Uh, where you been dude?  DED only preaches to the choir, lest we forget how awesome we are ;-D

    3 Anti Google/Andriod/Samsung articles in 2 days.  He's breaking his own record!
    The Google I/O Keynote was so laughable/miserable that it deserved three articles.  Seriously.  It was either Google trying to poorly copy Apple with terrible features that will probably need to be removed at some point due to child pornography lawsuits, or it was nebulous promises of what "might happen in the future".  There were no firm timeframes (except for the iOS copyware, of course) only empty promises on new projects and seemingly abandonment with old projects.  It seems more and more that Google is trying to do everything, but actually not actually able to execute anything.

    Except search and email.  They are super good at that.
    In fairness to the author, every time he writes an editorial for AI, I strain to find reasons to disagree with him, and usually come up blank.  His opinions are a bit hyperbolic but otherwise on point.  

    As for I/O, I never knew it was a thing.  Now I'm certain it is not a thing.  No one outside of the tech journalist community is aware of it.  Compared to WWDS, where there might be 2-3 people in my office watching the keynote - and it's a law office . . . 
    Dan_DilgerDan Andersencali
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