Just read this article about how Sammy's version, expected in a couple of months, will operate. Doesn't sound either particularly fast or convenient, but the wait for the actual product to see how it works in the real world shouldn't be too long if rumors are accurate. http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-7-iris-scanner-700377/
Like fingerprint id, Samsung will beat Apple to it but their system will be awkward at best. Apple will do a better job the next year but stumble on the first iOS update by breaking it and then fix it with a rapid follow-up iOS update. Amdroid fans will then point out that Android was first and ignore the fact that the Apple system functions a lot better. And so the wheel goes round and round, round and round.
Windows 10 Mobile was first... See Lumia 950 and 950XL.
Dude, Fortune once even showed a method using freaking Play-Doh. It can be spoofed. Is it convenient? Absolutely. Is it as secure as iris scanning? No. For one iris scanning has more than 5 times more unique points of comparison. TouchID does a very good job and is secure enough for the purpose that it serves but it's not the end all be all in security. Remember this is not an OR situation. Apple can offer both and allow you to choose what you want to use or even combine.
Video 2 is older and shows a method with laser edging.
Why don't you read my post? I want a complete video, unedited, showing everything from lifting a print to unlocking the iPhone. Edited videos with pieces missing prove nothing. People can try something (like lifting the print or editing it in software) countless times before they get one that works. Then they only show you that one time it worked. For all we know, the image they output from the computer to the printer could have been one they refined over and over until they got the most reliable version. Something you can't do with a stolen phone with limited tries.
The whole process reportedly takes hours - and you want an un-edited video? It isn't surprising no one has uploaded a multi hour video, just for you.
If you get a good enough print, it only takes s few hours for someone to make the replica.
Why don't you read my post? I want a complete video, unedited, showing everything from lifting a print to unlocking the iPhone. Edited videos with pieces missing prove nothing. People can try something (like lifting the print or editing it in software) countless times before they get one that works. Then they only show you that one time it worked. For all we know, the image they output from the computer to the printer could have been one they refined over and over until they got the most reliable version. Something you can't do with a stolen phone with limited tries.
The whole process reportedly takes hours - and you want an un-edited video? It isn't surprising no one has uploaded a multi hour video, just for you.
Yeah, like the guys who claimed the prize money even though the requirements were to provide an unedited video (which they never did, even after stating they would).
You're right about the time. A couple hours and when it fails and you need to cheat and enter a PIN to unlock the iPhone then you have to start over. A few failed attempts and suddenly it becomes tedious really fast.
So they cheat and perform numerous attempts, but never show the failures. Unless you want to claim every single person who has tried this succeeded on their very first attempt.
The whole process reportedly takes hours - and you want an un-edited video? It isn't surprising no one has uploaded a multi hour video, just for you.
Yeah, like the guys who claimed the prize money even though the requirements were to provide an unedited video (which they never did, even after stating they would).
You're right about the time. A couple hours and when it fails and you need to cheat and enter a PIN to unlock the iPhone then you have to start over. A few failed attempts and suddenly it becomes tedious really fast.
So they cheat and perform numerous attempts, but never show the failures. Unless you want to claim every single person who has tried this succeeded on their very first attempt.
The funny thing is that to work, they have a great unsmudged print in the wild (which is much rarer than doing one on purpose) of the finger you unlock with and also know which one your using to unlock. If someone already gets that, they already got you under surveillance at a minimum.
If they're not sure which finger they got, what finger you use, then if it fails they won't even know why? Bad Print or something else? That uncertainty alone means the chance of failing many times with a "good copy" of a wrong finger print and getting the phone quasi locked before you even go and try to find another print from good print from another finger, is HUGE.
The increased delays between tries also means that realistically can only do that on a phone you already have in your possession (before the user finds out about it and decides to nuke it). So, it's not a great way to do this.
Better to put cameras all over the place, get the guy to enter his pass-code (maybe by forcing a reboot), then steal the phone and get into it with the pass-code you just gleaned. If somebody does that though, worrying about touchID is probably the least of your worries since they got free access to your house, work and all your property.
I hope it's just a bad rumor. Touch ID is so convenient. You can unlock your phone while taking it out of your pocket.
If it's Iris ID, Many people will turn it off completely. It probably won't be able to scan through my sunglasses or eyeglasses.
I can pick up my iPhone, let it see my face/eye and it unlocks and is ready for use in the blink of an eye? Sign me up. I wear gloves more than dark sunglasses.
What the doubters don't consider is, if Apple introduced an even faster more reliable TouchID along with iRisID, both combined would be FASTER and more secure than what's available currently.
Apple could bring existing technologies to the main stream just like Touch ID. I like the idea of just looking at your phone and it automatically unlocks. Could do the same for your computer and iPad. Check this out it is pretty cool. Anything is possible.
I like how the video dude thinks it can't possibly be used for anything malicious at all.
By contrast, an iris scan done with a UV camera one one eye ,
It's infrared light . UV light would damage the eyes. Infrared is perfectly safe though. This BTW is also the reason why they work perfectly in low light situations.
Hopefully not a replacement. The current TouchID is so good (reliable, except when fingers wet), and so convenient (unlock without looking at device a lot), and so fast, that facial/iris scanning would be a step back if the only method.
Agreed and I'd have to wonder if there were any health risks to having my eyes scanned numerous times per day, 365 days per year, for years.
Unlikely. It's just taking a picture of your Iris.
This is NOT a retina scan, where you might have to project something into the eye to see the back of it.
I don't see it. Fingerprint is super fast and convenient. What good is there to having two completely separate biometric devices on one iPhone? People will just use the one that works all the time under any conditions (fingerprint).
Agreed and I'd have to wonder if there were any health risks to having my eyes scanned numerous times per day, 365 days per year, for years.
Unlikely. It's just taking a picture of your Iris.
This is NOT a retina scan, where you might have to project something into the eye to see the back of it.
And that's a good reason it won't replace TouchID, but might be used as an alternative - especially where TouchID might not be viable.
Look at all the talk above about fooling fingerprint sensors with paper, modelling clay, dental epoxy, or gummy bears. TouchID is supposed to be harder to defeat than just a straight fingerprint reader because it checks that the finger is actually alive. You can't really do that with an iris scan, which is normally just taking a picture of the iris and comparing it to the database. If you had to press your eye against the sensor, then all the supposed advantages of using the iris instead of the fingerprint are gone.
So, if you're not actually making contact with the eye, then it is possible that you might be able to fool it with an image of the target person's iris, either in a photograph, video, or at most printed onto a contact lens worn by the person trying to break into the phone. That last one is probably too labour-intensive for most people to worry about, but the other two shouldn't be too hard.
If, however, Apple has managed to get their iris ID to recognise when someone tries to fool it this way, they might be able to replace TouchID with it. Either way a lot of people are going to try to defeat it, if it ever makes it into a commercial product, so we should know fairly early on how secure it is.
While iris scanning may be added as a second more secure authentication method for iphones, Apple is more interested in adding it to the augmented reality glasses they are working on. It will also be used for health monitoring and other uses.
I don't see it. Fingerprint is super fast and convenient. What good is there to having two completely separate biometric devices on one iPhone? People will just use the one that works all the time under any conditions (fingerprint).
So you damage your finger in a sliding fall. I assume it may take healing time to access your phone.
Then there is the nasty problem of thieves cutting off your finger to use your phone after stealing it. That happened to a few owners of a certain up scale German car with fingerprint access.
My solution it to keep nothing that important on my phone.
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Windows 10 Mobile was first... See Lumia 950 and 950XL.
Yeah, like the guys who claimed the prize money even though the requirements were to provide an unedited video (which they never did, even after stating they would).
You're right about the time. A couple hours and when it fails and you need to cheat and enter a PIN to unlock the iPhone then you have to start over. A few failed attempts and suddenly it becomes tedious really fast.
So they cheat and perform numerous attempts, but never show the failures. Unless you want to claim every single person who has tried this succeeded on their very first attempt.
If they're not sure which finger they got, what finger you use, then if it fails they won't even know why? Bad Print or something else?
That uncertainty alone means the chance of failing many times with a "good copy" of a wrong finger print and getting the phone quasi locked before you even go and try to find another print from good print from another finger, is HUGE.
The increased delays between tries also means that realistically can only do that on a phone you already have in your possession (before the user finds out about it and decides to nuke it). So, it's not a great way to do this.
Better to put cameras all over the place, get the guy to enter his pass-code (maybe by forcing a reboot), then steal the phone and get into it with the pass-code you just gleaned. If somebody does that though, worrying about touchID is probably the least of your worries since they got free access to your house, work and all your property.
I like how the video dude thinks it can't possibly be used for anything malicious at all.
Corny!! But even "cornea":
"apple of my i."
This is NOT a retina scan, where you might have to project something into the eye to see the back of it.
And that's a good reason it won't replace TouchID, but might be used as an alternative - especially where TouchID might not be viable.
Look at all the talk above about fooling fingerprint sensors with paper, modelling clay, dental epoxy, or gummy bears. TouchID is supposed to be harder to defeat than just a straight fingerprint reader because it checks that the finger is actually alive. You can't really do that with an iris scan, which is normally just taking a picture of the iris and comparing it to the database. If you had to press your eye against the sensor, then all the supposed advantages of using the iris instead of the fingerprint are gone.
So, if you're not actually making contact with the eye, then it is possible that you might be able to fool it with an image of the target person's iris, either in a photograph, video, or at most printed onto a contact lens worn by the person trying to break into the phone. That last one is probably too labour-intensive for most people to worry about, but the other two shouldn't be too hard.
If, however, Apple has managed to get their iris ID to recognise when someone tries to fool it this way, they might be able to replace TouchID with it. Either way a lot of people are going to try to defeat it, if it ever makes it into a commercial product, so we should know fairly early on how secure it is.
Then there is the nasty problem of thieves cutting off your finger to use your phone after stealing it.
That happened to a few owners of a certain up scale German car with fingerprint access.
My solution it to keep nothing that important on my phone.