Apple to debut standalone 5K monitor, MacBook Air refresh, 'pro' iPad software features, report say

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  • Reply 41 of 55
    steveausteveau Posts: 303member
    Please, please, please, please, please HWR with the aPencil on iPad, and the ability to sketch and have it automatically create regular shapes (I still miss my Newton!) A monitor "Designed by Apple, built by LG" is a great idea. Can we also have a printer "Designed by Apple, built by Epson" (or another company, but I do like Epson's bottled ink)? My office used to look so much more cool when my Mac and my printer matched (and my Apple ][ and Imagewriter before that).
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  • Reply 42 of 55
    foljsfoljs Posts: 390member
    wizard69 said:
    I don't trust any of them.   
    Well, you're wrong then. Mark Gurman has close ties with internal Apple stuff and gets leaks.
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  • Reply 43 of 55
    dysamoria said:
    And which chipset from Intel supports even DP 1.3?
    Intel no. AMD and NVidia yes
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  • Reply 44 of 55
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    adrayven said:
    To drive 5k, those monitors will HAVE to have built in GPU's.. Just no way around that. The TB3 / DP spec's don't support 5k at all; much less the timing chip required.. The only way that is possible, right now, is the custom chip timing chip they used in the 5k iMac itself, which requires the GPU to be there.. This will be an interesting release.
    I would think a new Mac Pro would drive one wouldn't it?
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  • Reply 45 of 55
    I would think a new Mac Pro would drive one wouldn't it?
    A Mac Pro can drive a 5K display using two DisplayPort 1.2 cables today.
    tallest skil
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  • Reply 46 of 55
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Which is why I’m having such a hard time understanding the bullshit I’m being told.
    it's not that complicated and is old hat, business 101. I assume you don't have access to Apple's market data, so I fail to understand why you doubt they've seen the numbers and made the most prudent decisions accordingly. you know, because of knowing what they're doing, and everything. 
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  • Reply 47 of 55
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    nolamacguy said:

    it's not that complicated and is old hat, business 101. I assume you don't have access to Apple's market data, so I fail to understand why you doubt they've seen the numbers and made the most prudent decisions accordingly. you know, because of knowing what they're doing, and everything. 
    They did the same thing with the original Mac Pro as I recall. They had to quit selling it in Europe because of some new EU regulation regarding electronic configurations of some sort, so the writing was on the wall. Then they quit selling it in the rest of the world a little later, perhaps when the inventory ran out. It was a good long while before the the new cylindrical Mac Pro was released. Sometimes the timing is just not perfect and they either end up having left over inventory as was the case with the last MBP with optical disks or in other cases there is a lapse between running out of stock before the replacement is ready, such as with the Mac Pro and perhaps also with the monitor. With niche products like that they aren't under continuos manufacturing. They make a large build and sit on the inventory. To gear up to make another run of a product that is becoming obsolete doesn't make sense.
    edited August 2016
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  • Reply 48 of 55
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    volcan said:
    They did the same thing with the original Mac Pro as I recall. They had to quit selling it in Europe because of some new EU regulation regarding electronic configurations of some sort, so the writing was on the wall. Then they quit selling it in the rest of the world a little later, perhaps when the inventory ran out. It was a good long while before the the new cylindrical Mac Pro was released. Sometimes the timing is just not perfect and they either end up having left over inventory as was the case with the last MBP with optical disks or in other cases there is a lapse between running out of stock before the replacement is ready, such as with the Mac Pro and perhaps also with the monitor. With niche products like that they aren't under continuos manufacturing. They make a large build and sit on the inventory. To gear up to make another run of a product that is becoming obsolete doesn't make sense.
    Electical port and fan guard protection seems like such a minor, simple, and cheap thing to change in your production line that if Apple didn't see a reason to do so the sales much have been extremely low and the cost to resolve probably meant going into already packaged machines to replace, which would have increased the cost significantly per machine.
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  • Reply 49 of 55
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    Soli said:
    Electrical port and fan guard protection seems like such a minor, simple, and cheap thing to change in your production line that if Apple didn't see a reason to do so the sales much have been extremely low and the cost to resolve probably meant going into already packaged machines to replace, which would have increased the cost significantly per machine.
    They go into packaged machines all the time to make sure it ships with the most current OS, or in the case of the Mac Pro, build to order configurations. But I can tell you from experience, the fan housing in the original Mac Pro is a complete bitch to work on. It is definitely not engineered to disassemble. I recently did it and I even had to drill out some screws because they were torqued too tight to the standoffs so that when you loosened them you were turning the standoff instead of the screw, so there was literally no way to remove it. Of course drilling out screws is not going to work for professional results, plus you get metal filings all over the place which have to be carefully vacuumed out. Then you have to remove all the RAM, the CPUs and heatsinks as well to get inside the fan housing, and that is really, really difficult because you need a 10" long hex wrench to access the screws and you can't see them because they are down inside a very small opening. I'm pretty sure Apple would not go that route on a large scale.
    edited August 2016
    Soli
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  • Reply 50 of 55
    toddzrxtoddzrx Posts: 254member
    volcan said:
    They make a large build and sit on the inventory.
    Uh, probably not.  A little dated, but Gartner found the same thing in 2012:

    http://www.cultofmac.com/9292/analyst-apple-maintains-just-5-day-product-inventory/

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  • Reply 51 of 55
    toddzrxtoddzrx Posts: 254member
    ireland said:
    MacBook should replace the 11" MacBook Air. Not the MBA lineup.
     
    The Air is a better computer than the MacBook. Larger display (I wouldn't watch a film on smaller), nicer keyboard travel, SD Card and extra ports, better battery life, more performance, magnetic charger. The MacBook has a better display and is thinner/lighter. Swap out MBA ports for a few thunderbolt 3 ones, give it a 14" Retina display (narrow bezel) and a tweaked keyboard design and then you're talking. MB is overpriced for what it is: base model €1,499 ($1,677) in Ireland. Should be offered in 128 GB for $999. MBA should be Retina only and begin with 128 GB for $1,299. New MBP should begin at $1,799 for 256 GB model and should be offered in one screen size: 16" with narrow bezel. All in the name of clarifying the lineup. MacBook 12", Air 14", Pro 16". More ports, more power and more features as you go.
    The "Retina Air" that everyone keeps clamoring for would in all likely hood be very similar in size to a 13" MBP, if you want it with the same battery life it has now.  At the end of the day there'd be little difference between the two computers in terms of function, so why should Apple bother with updating the Air?  At least historically, Apple tends to keep strong, clear differences between product lines, although that ethos has somewhat fallen at the wayside since Cook took over.  I think a Retina Air just doesn't make sense because it's too similar to a Pro; why bother with it?

    If you ask me, I'd rather see 12" and 13" MacBooks, and 14" and 16" MBP's.  The Pros specifically are thicker to contain a battery that powers discrete graphics as well as H series Intel chips, as well as having several ports for peripherals.  The MacBook is the consumer model, with integrated graphics and Core M chips to remain fanless; hopefully the 14" has an additional USB-C port and an SD card reader.


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  • Reply 52 of 55
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    toddzrx said:
    Uh, probably not.  A little dated, but Gartner found the same thing in 2012:

    http://www.cultofmac.com/9292/analyst-apple-maintains-just-5-day-product-inventory/

    I'd think that a low-volume product would be manufacturers less often and therefore be shelved for much longer periods than 5 days. I would be the iPhone, of all their devices, is much lower than 5 days, especially when you consider that you can order one and have it shipped from mainland China which would likely be a zero day inventory hold.
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  • Reply 53 of 55
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,352member
    I don't see the MBairs surviving for much longer.  Apple has declared the future to be revealed in the current 12" rMB.  I suspect the future will bring us-

    12" rMB
    14" rMB
    13" rMBP-- new model
    15" rMBP-- new model

    I don't see Apple going into the low margin monitor business but maybe possible but the MacBook air models are going bye bye.
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  • Reply 54 of 55
    I would think a new Mac Pro would drive one wouldn't it?
    Sure but the idea is that a 5k high quality display with GPU could also be driven by apple tvs, iphones and ipads. A sensibly priced 34'' display with GPU and a premium 41'' OLED version would completely redefine the notion of home entertainment. They would make all current TV sets -- in particular those based on clunky Android system and huge, mid-quality panels -- suddenly look very old and uncool.  
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  • Reply 55 of 55
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
    Soli said:
    I don't understand your conundrum with a company halting production of a product that 1) outmoded, and 2) is no longer selling.
    They often let things sit until a replacement is ready. They have only cancelled things that aren't coming back.
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