Editorial: When Apple is 2 years behind you, put your things in order

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  • Reply 41 of 96
    StrangeDaysstrangedays Posts: 13,169member
    supadav03 said:
    Glad you used Wal-mart as a comparison. I always wondered this: So Walmart (or any other store/grocer) can sell Cherrios in its store and charge them for shelf space. Then, right along side Cherrios, they can sell their own Walmart-O's at a much lower price. Is this anti-competitive? Kind of feel App Store is the same. Apple charges you for shelf space in the App Store and right along side offers there own similar services to what you offer (Spotify, Apple Music). Seems there are very similar parrallels but I don't ever hear people or companies complaining about this. I could be way off though, not as smart as most here....
    Great example. Retailers like Walmart groceries chains often charge those product makers "slotting fees" to even sit on the shelves -- fees they obviously don't have to pay themselves for their in-house knockoffs. Fair? Maybe not from the perspective of the Cheerios people, but legal and normal. 
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  • Reply 42 of 96
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Rayz2016 said:

    if a company does manage to come up with a way to make an add-on without paying you, then they too are absolutely entitled to do so. This is why you can make alternative refills for your printer and HP cannot take you to court. 
    Not that I'm disagreeing with your broader point, but printer cartridge manufacturers would very much like to take alternative suppliers to court, and have been trying to for a long time.

    http://www.economist.com/news/business/21707960-row-over-printer-cartridges-blot-landscape
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  • Reply 43 of 96
    I love these editorials! So many anti-apple articles make it to the front pages of online tech media it's refreshing to see (and be reminded of) a pro Apple article with the facts to back it up! It's discouraging to see so many skewed articles trolling for clicks, keep up the positive and informative (and correct) perspectives!
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  • Reply 44 of 96
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,465member
    This isn't really part of the argument, but interesting none the less;

    http://www.visualcapitalist.com/chart-5-tech-giants-make-billions/

    Interestingly enough, there were a couple of links to charts regarding Li-ion battery design and production. Cobalt seems to be the most promising material for the cathode; Apple uses 100% cobalt cathodes, and I would guess the other majors do as well.

    Still think Tesla will win the EV race? If they do, it will be because of current generation battery production. Lots of new EV models coming to market, and luxury brands aren't far behind. Soon enough, EV's will be cheaper to own and run than hydrocarbon fueled vehicles. Lots of disruption in the oil patch if that happens.


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  • Reply 45 of 96
    wlymwlym Posts: 102member
    I thought this was very apt and funny writing:

    All this time, Apple "fell behind" Samsung, perpetually losing out in metrics such as market share, units shipped and numbers of enthusiastic think-pieces about how Samsung was dominating a market in virtually every respect apart from profitability, where it was distantly behind. This is like watching a team lose a ballgame, but be congratulated on their hard work: their ball-time possession statistics, their score attempts and the fact that they decorated the stadium and made the uniforms for both teams. Wait, which team lost again? It's hard to say really. Points scored isn't the only way of measuring success in pro sports, is it?"
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  • Reply 46 of 96
    any Tom dick and harry can make a phone.
    Correction: any Tom, Dick, and Harry can make a phone or PC with off-the-shelf components. However, not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can create their own OS and design their custom SoC etc. One of the reasons Apple has been so successful is that they're not trying to compete with off-the-shelf parts or 3rd party supplied operating systems.
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  • Reply 47 of 96
    akamine_jrakamine_jr Posts: 11unconfirmed, member
    In the end what really matters is that my money was very well spent on my combo of iPhone 7 + Apple Watch 2, even if Samsung offered the same combo one year earlier than Apple. Now I have my perfectly working, beautiful Apple devices while the ones who bought Samsung have a pair of outdated ugly, dysfunctional devices. 
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  • Reply 48 of 96
    icarasicaras Posts: 21member
    saltyzip said:
    Educate yourself  http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/tim-cook-on-apple-earnings-call-double-services-revenue-by-2020.html

    Future is cloud services, that's where the money is, not in hardware, any Tom dick and harry can make a phone. That's why the pc market is suffering and will continue to do so as margins are minimal.
    There was no education gained by your link, other than they want to double their cloud services revenue and push more into that segment.

    Tom, dick, and harry can never make an exactly designed Apple hardware product. Apple will always create hardware. 
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  • Reply 49 of 96
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,927member
    saltyzip said:
    The issue long-term for Apple is will people pay a premium for a phone in years to come when a £200 phone will do everything they need and more?

    IBM used to sell expensive PCs with massive cost to profit ratio, but once competition had caught up and started to out innovate them, their profits started to fall down a cliff. Blackberry suffered the same fate. What's different this time is Apple has monopoly on its app store, and this is why Apple will turn into a services company. However regulators may see this as anti competitive and allow likes of e.g Amazon to setup its own Apple app store. Wouldn't that be good for consumers!
    There are already cheap tablets, PCs, smart phones, etc. Apple still sells a lot of them and in regards to phones and tablets, outsells them all. 

    blackberry suffered due to Apple lest you forget that. 

    Apple isnt big Enough in the market to be a monopoly. Don't like the App Store, code for Android. Everyone knows Android is "winning". 
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  • Reply 50 of 96
    Notsofastnotsofast Posts: 450member
    saltyzip said:
    Educate yourself  http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/tim-cook-on-apple-earnings-call-double-services-revenue-by-2020.html

    Future is cloud services, that's where the money is, not in hardware, any Tom dick and harry can make a phone. That's why the pc market is suffering and will continue to do so as margins are minimal.
    It's not a binary choice.  Apple is already undeniably a services company as their revenue from services alone has grown to the equivalent of a Fortune 100 company and far exceeds all of Facebook's revenue!.  They are also undeniably a hardware company as they have even greater revenue from hardware sales, and since they own almost all of the industry's profits, you might want to correct your statement that "any Tom dick and harry can make a phone" with a big caveat, "but only Apple can make a profitable one!"
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  • Reply 51 of 96
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,819member
    The critics have been saying 'nay' for so long, they're now a little horse. (Pun intended)
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  • Reply 52 of 96
    Oh no! It seems Apple is "years behind" competitors in Virtual Reality, TV content subscriptions, self driving cars and home voice assistants. That's a clear sign the company may be studying the market like a cat about to pounce on its target, just as it did with iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and AirPods. There is a solid decade of evidence that, for Apple, being behind is a competitive advantage.
    Apple really needs to start partnering with Amazon and really start exploiting their hardware expertise, and Amazon web services expertise. Tim Cook and Jeff Bezos can take over the world if they would just work together on it. Have Amazon take over all of Apple's iCloud services since they don't work, and have Apple and Amazon work together on VR technology so a consumer could use a 3D camera and VR to try on virtual clothes in front of their iPad, iPhone, Apple TV, or MacBook. Imagine how many clothes Amazon would sale if consumers could try them on virtually first, and then have them delivered to their doorstep in 24 hours. Apple could develop the VR technology and GPU and 3D camera technology to do this, and integrate this technology into their 'A' chips which could be used in iPhone's, iPad's, Apple TV's and Amazon Alexa devices. Imagine if Apple and Amazon worked together on iBooks and developed a low cost iPad for high school and college students, they could easily replace Google's chrome books. Amazon controls all of the web services, and Apple makes the devices. Apple can surely create a cheaper version of the iPad that is cheaper and better then a chrome book! Later on both companies capitalize on these students when they become adults and continue to consume Apple and Amazon products. Imagine autonomous CAT4 car technology developed by Apple, and controlled through Amazon web services. Imagine an Apple TV with superior GPU technology that can be used to replace Sony Playstation and Xbox along with control your home through Apple's HomeKit technology. Apple has the hardware talent to do all of this, all they need to do is exploit it properly with the proper web services which they have not, and seemingly can't do on their own. iCloud continues to be a prime example of how not to do web services on a grand scale. Apple needs to do with Pages what Google has done with Google Docs, and do it with reliable web services that only Amazon possess.
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  • Reply 53 of 96
    cutykamucutykamu Posts: 230member
    Apple really needs to start partnering with Amazon and really start exploiting their hardware expertise, and Amazon web services expertise. Tim Cook and Jeff Bezos can take over the world if they would just work together on it. Have Amazon take over all of Apple's iCloud services since they don't work, and have Apple and Amazon work together on VR technology so a consumer could use a 3D camera and VR to try on virtual clothes in front of their iPad, iPhone, Apple TV, or MacBook. Imagine how many clothes Amazon would sale if consumers could try them on virtually first, and then have them delivered to their doorstep in 24 hours. Apple could develop the VR technology and GPU and 3D camera technology to do this, and integrate this technology into their 'A' chips which could be used in iPhone's, iPad's, Apple TV's and Amazon Alexa devices. Imagine if Apple and Amazon worked together on iBooks and developed a low cost iPad for high school and college students, they could easily replace Google's chrome books. Amazon controls all of the web services, and Apple makes the devices. Apple can surely create a cheaper version of the iPad that is cheaper and better then a chrome book! Later on both companies capitalize on these students when they become adults and continue to consume Apple and Amazon products. Imagine autonomous CAT4 car technology developed by Apple, and controlled through Amazon web services. Imagine an Apple TV with superior GPU technology that can be used to replace Sony Playstation and Xbox along with control your home through Apple's HomeKit technology. Apple has the hardware talent to do all of this, all they need to do is exploit it properly with the proper web services which they have not, and seemingly can't do on their own. iCloud continues to be a prime example of how not to do web services on a grand scale. Apple needs to do with Pages what Google has done with Google Docs, and do it with reliable web services that only Amazon possess.
    Bro you are imaging way too many things whereas Apple is actually doing the practical work for us by making products which works  fantastic and they are well synchronized. 

    By the way, cheaper iPad already exists checkout iPad 2017, not sure how much more cheaper you want it... 
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  • Reply 54 of 96
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    saltyzip said:
    The issue long-term for Apple is will people pay a premium for a phone in years to come when a £200 phone will do everything they need and more?

    IBM used to sell expensive PCs with massive cost to profit ratio, but once competition had caught up and started to out innovate them, their profits started to fall down a cliff. Blackberry suffered the same fate. What's different this time is Apple has monopoly on its app store, and this is why Apple will turn into a services company. However regulators may see this as anti competitive and allow likes of e.g Amazon to setup its own Apple app store. Wouldn't that be good for consumers!
    What happen to IBM was they sold to companies and companies are not brand loyal they always buy the lowest cost solution. Apple sells to consumers and their buying habits are completely different not to say they do not look for the low cost solution, however, when they are locked into a brand cost is not the number one decision factor it tends to drop to 3 or 5 in their reasons they bought something. Coke has been on the market a long time and it's not the cheapest soda you can buy but they still hold the number one position for cola. People buy choke not because of price. So comparing what companies do to what consumers do can not be easily done.
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  • Reply 55 of 96
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    saltyzip said:
    Educate yourself  http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/31/tim-cook-on-apple-earnings-call-double-services-revenue-by-2020.html

    Future is cloud services, that's where the money is, not in hardware, any Tom dick and harry can make a phone. That's why the pc market is suffering and will continue to do so as margins are minimal.
    Actually they failed because they did not control the product they were selling they were controlled by Intel and Microsoft. They also failed to differentiate their product from one another they were all in the race to the bottom. It was company who figured out how to sell the cheapest product was supposed to win. Well we all know how that story ended. Apple sells a brand and an experience not are specific product. It is like going to Disney world they not selling you a ticket to ride they sell you memories of and experience.
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  • Reply 56 of 96
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,160member
    I didn't even bother reading your post because you decided that responding by posting the entire article, therefore having readers scroll through all of it was more important than what you were attempting to say.
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  • Reply 57 of 96
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    sflocal said:
    I didn't even bother reading your post because you decided that responding by posting the entire article, therefore having readers scroll through all of it was more important than what you were attempting to say.
    First time posters should probably be informed that it's bad forum etiquette, and that there's an option to both preview a post and edit its contents for up 4 hours after posting.
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  • Reply 58 of 96
    "Detachables" have been around for a very long time, since the early 1990s. They used to be called either "pen computers" or "tablet PCs" depending on the generation, but I've used versions running operating systems as far back as Windows 3.11 and Windows 95. Microsoft has always encouraged the form factor and even tried to brand it under different marketing initiatives, like Origami.

    Microsoft didn't create detachables in 2012 with the Surface RT. They were hoping that interest in iPad 20 years later will resurrect this niche category.
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  • Reply 59 of 96
    g-news said:
    TL DR, who are you trying to convince here? Basically the article states that the last time Apple pushed out some significant innovation was in 2014. It's nearly mid 2017 now and still no sign of updated desktops. Apple is turning into a services company, but their margins strategy is still one for a hardware company with 100% control over the manufacturing. They're having a really hard time signing contracts with content producers or even just working outside the US. All fanboyism aside, this is going to bite them in the butt rather sooner than later.
    Ad what has the competition turned out?  Obviously nothing, because you're here blasting Apple instead of over there (wherever that is) talking about how much better your new XYZ is than last year's model.

    Most, if not all upgrade problems stem from Intel's development curve.  Apple is just to classy to point that out, while most users are just to technologically stupid to figure it out.
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  • Reply 60 of 96

    Is this just a reprint from an article one year ago? Or two years ago?
    It could be, with some updates.  The point is that nothing has changed in the media's narrative about Apple, while the evidence continues to mount that when Apple enters a product category it soon dominates.  The media may not get it, but the consumer does.
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