Apple had no Apple 5K monitors to work with it (that was why I didn't get one) and it it seemed like it was 1 piece of an unfinished eco-system.
Well stated. I reached the same conclusion and reluctantly purchased a 5K iMac. I hope an 8K or 10K display will be introduced to pair with the new Mac Pro.
CurtisHight said: I hope an 8K or 10K display will be introduced to pair with the new Mac Pro.
Wouldn't that cost as much as a late model Tesla? Would you actually buy one if they made one?
Also, with that resolution packed into anything smaller than the size of a mattress, wouldn't the UI elements and text be so small you wouldn't be able to make them out without an electron microscope?
steven n. said: Apple had no Apple 5K monitors to work with it (that was why I didn't get one) and it it seemed like it was 1 piece of an unfinished eco-system.
Why couldn't you use a monitor made by someone else? Apple doesn't make printers, external storage units, or multichannel audio/video interfaces either, so we all use third-party products for those things. What's your objection to using a monitor not made by Apple?
I'm not criticizing you, I'm just trying to understand.
steven n. said: Apple had no Apple 5K monitors to work with it (that was why I didn't get one) and it it seemed like it was 1 piece of an unfinished eco-system.
Why couldn't you use a monitor made by someone else? Apple doesn't make printers, external storage units, or multichannel audio/video interfaces either, so we all use third-party products for those things. What's your objection to using a monitor not made by Apple?
I'm not criticizing you, I'm just trying to understand.
I don't get it either, but I'd be willing to bet Apple has found that such people comprise a large enough group that it matters. I'm trying to think -- before the Late 2013 Mac Pro, has Apple ever produced a computer for which it didn't provide a suitable display? I can't think of any, and certainly not in the Jobs era(s).
So if you've been an Apple customer for a long time, buying higher-end computers with nice matching displays that are completely trouble-free and state-of-the-art, you might have the same reaction when suddenly that's not the case.
I'm still a little underwhelmed and surprised that Apple keeps naming things "pro" when they're not upgradeable. People have been complaining about the Mac Pro being very much not a Pro device because of all the extra séparate devices one needs to buy to actually get something done. Literally nothing about the thing is upgradeable (SSD, RAM, CPU, GPU). Then they apparently respond to the critics years later (3+ already) by making an iMac "Pro", making the same mistake all over again.
I mean, who's going to pay $4999, regardless of wether it's undercutting a similar-specced PC, if you can't upgrade it's so-called "pro hardware" 3 years down the road?
Pro does *not* infer upgradable. I'm a pro software dev and have never upgraded my storage on anything. In fact after maxing the RAM on day 1 there is no upgrade I need. My days of DIY upgrades and tinkering are behind me -- I just want to get my work done and not worry about it. After 5+ years I upgrade.
The situation is analogous in my case. In the institute where I work they buy workstations with many CPUs and a fixed amount of RAM and storage that is not going to change. They keep them for five years because this is usually the duration of the support contract. And that's it. The absolute requirement is the stability and reliability of the machines under sustained heavy load, not expandability.
A mere 27" monitor for 5K??? Should be at least 32" AND where is their offering for the additional monitors supported by the graphics??? I need at least dual monitors and want to buy AS A PACKAGE as I did my 27" iMac with additional Thunderbolt display. They should be matching and FROM Apple (Apple-branded).
ASIDE from these points, it looks good and sensible. But 27" simply doesn't cut it.
The *biggest* complaints from the pro market all revolve around the perceived lack of customizability and expandability of the current Mac Pro.
So what does Apple do? They make one that will undoubtedly be even more proprietary and harder to customize and/or expand.
Also, many professionals have dedicated, calibrated monitors that they use. Why do they need an integrated 27" monitor?
This, to me, is further evidence that Apple's current "pro" products are really just high-end enthusiast products that happen to work for some professionals.
But we'll see. It certainly looks like it will be a beautiful piece of hardware!
I'll admit I DO agree with these points. For me, the biggest need is for PAIRED larger monitors. TWO at 32" would be enough. A Mac Pro might serve my needs better than this iMac offering. Until then, I am doing OK with my current configuration. WOULD like more RAM than 32G, though.
As to customization, I'd be happy IF Apple PROVIDED Apple-branded equipment and kept everything under a FIVE year warranty, rather than their current three. I replaced my Apple wired keyboard with a Matias Tactile Pro Keyboard for Mac and am happy as a clam - also use a Logitech Performance Mouse MX to good effect. At least THAT level of 'customization' is available end beneficial.
Do we think the keyboard shown in the sneak preview is real? It *looked* like a wireless keyboard with a full number pad, but maybe the cable was just excluded from the photo for aesthetic reasons. If it's a space grey wireless with number pad, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
The silver/white one is out now, it'll be wireless:
Yeah this was an announced accessory for Apple. Apple now offers a bluetooth extended keyboard. Both the wired keyboard and mouse are now unavailable. I don't even see them as a Mac accessory anymore on the Apple Store.
The wired keyboard and mouse is still available for K-12 schools who order new iMacs today. For regular customers and college students, only the wireless ones are available out of the box. Of course, nothing stops you from going out and getting your own wired Apple keyboard and mouse if you really want one.
If I could have two requests for Apple...make it in black (space gray?), and make the keys backlit.
They're continuing to ramp up the price on the basics. $129 for a sharp-edged slab of aluminum and no backlight or replacement of the battery, and no option for a corded one. Not impressed.
The option for a corded one is to just leave the cable plugged in.
Do we think the keyboard shown in the sneak preview is real? It *looked* like a wireless keyboard with a full number pad, but maybe the cable was just excluded from the photo for aesthetic reasons. If it's a space grey wireless with number pad, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
The silver/white one is out now, it'll be wireless:
Yeah this was an announced accessory for Apple. Apple now offers a bluetooth extended keyboard. Both the wired keyboard and mouse are now unavailable. I don't even see them as a Mac accessory anymore on the Apple Store.
The wired keyboard and mouse is still available for K-12 schools who order new iMacs today. For regular customers and college students, only the wireless ones are available out of the box. Of course, nothing stops you from going out and getting your own wired Apple keyboard and mouse if you really want one.
If I could have two requests for Apple...make it in black (space gray?), and make the keys backlit.
They're continuing to ramp up the price on the basics. $129 for a sharp-edged slab of aluminum and no backlight or replacement of the battery, and no option for a corded one. Not impressed.
The option for a corded one is to just leave the cable plugged in.
I wonder if the cable carries keystroke data or if it just supplies power? It doesn't really matter, as even if the keystrokes are still carried over Bluetooth instead of down the wire the net result is the same. I'm just curious.
They're continuing to ramp up the price on the basics. $129 for a sharp-edged slab of aluminum and no backlight or replacement of the battery, and no option for a corded one. Not impressed.
The option for a corded one is to just leave the cable plugged in.
I wonder if the cable carries keystroke data or if it just supplies power? It doesn't really matter, as even if the keystrokes are still carried over Bluetooth instead of down the wire the net result is the same. I'm just curious.
Lightning cables can carry data, and the Magic Keyboard works just like a wired keyboard when plugged into a Mac.
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Also, with that resolution packed into anything smaller than the size of a mattress, wouldn't the UI elements and text be so small you wouldn't be able to make them out without an electron microscope?
I'm not criticizing you, I'm just trying to understand.
So if you've been an Apple customer for a long time, buying higher-end computers with nice matching displays that are completely trouble-free and state-of-the-art, you might have the same reaction when suddenly that's not the case.
They showed that alongside the keyboard and mouse in the press area.