This is Bull Crap fanboy Kool Aid thinking. Stop defending deception and fraud.
NO phone battery is should be degraded enough after only one year to slow down the phone. Apple (Phil Shiller usually) touts performance at EVERY introduction...its 40% faster...80% quicker...etc...etc...etc. They don't tell you "oh it's only for 1 year, then we slow the damn thing down because it can't perform longer than that". If iOS and iPhones can't last longer than one year, there's something wrong with Apple's designs. Actually, perhaps it's the "design" obsession that is the culprit. Thin thin thin thin. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work, just make it thin. Don't make the battery itself useful. And let's slow it down after a year and call it "normal". Fanboys will defend us no matter what we tell them. Bull Crap.
I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years. If Apple's can't do that then I be replacing my iPhone 7+ with something else.
1) They also list various battery life stats. Are you also saying that those values should also be the same after a year? Two years? Three years? What battery technology should they use if you think believe that battery life of a new device shouldn't be stated if the batteries degrade with use?
2) The iPhone has has many generations where they've become thicker (and heavier). The Apple Watch, their latest device category, has become thicker each year.
3) What device will you replace it with? An Android device that will simply shutdown your system and lose your data because it wasn't smart enough to deal with an aging battery?
1. Don't give a damn about values year 1, 2, 3. I do care that the phone performs as advertised and as I bought it for this time. Apple needs to design phones like their earlier ones which did indeed perform for 3 years. Their obsession with thinnnnnnness created this problem. Adequate batteries no longer fit their "design". 2. So make them thick enough to include a decent battery. Jony may have sleepless nights but their phones would work. 3. Battery capacity will be high on my checklist for a replacement for my 7. Yes, I'd rather my phone perform to specs until it stops. At least I would know to either replace it entirely or the battery. And give me a break...you don't lose data when your battery runs out of power.
1) You literally mentioned years many times in your post. You even wrote "I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years."
2) iPhones battery tech is much better than when the original iPhone came out. Not knowing this means you're woefully under qualified for this conversation.
3) The battery life is much higher than it used to be. The battery capacity is also much higher than it used to be. Again, you should know this.
Original iPhone — 5.18 Wh
iPhone 8 — 6.96 Wh (134%)
iPhone 8 Plus: — 10.28 Wh (198%)
iPhone X — 10.35 Wh (200%)
4) If you need to know the battery condition there are countless apps, not to mention Apple telling you in Settings.
5) Every time a system shutdown unexpectedly everything not saved to disk disappears, and even cached data on NAND could be erased upon startup depending on how the system treats this temporary storage. This is why a proper shutdown sequence is performed instead of simply pulling power. If you're in the middle of an update your device could be bricked. Seriously, everyone on this forum should know this basic stuff.
Oh I feel ever so enlightened by your learned comment. I'm so grateful.
"Everyone" does know this basic stuff. "Everyone" should also know that with each release an OS adds functionality and features that consume power. The original iPhone did nothing anywhere near what the current ones do. Maybe "everyone" doesn't remember that battery capacities must be increased to support added functionality.
Yes, I don't care if a battery has 95% capacity or 80% or whatever after 1, 2 or 3 years. It needs to have enough to power the phone - as Apple touted when they sold it to me. Apple isn't adding enough. Plain. Simple. Period. For Apple, thinness Trumps (sorry) usability. Your example of the 8+ battery size proves the point. Duh, it's a bigger phone! More room for a larger battery. But let's not put enough power in ALL our phones to make them last. Let's just make people think they need to buy new ones every two years. We're making a killing on selling phones. Oh no!! We got caught cheating.
Spare me you ignorant fanboy lectures. Heard enough of the Kool-aid talk.
This is Bull Crap fanboy Kool Aid thinking. Stop defending deception and fraud.
NO phone battery is should be degraded enough after only one year to slow down the phone. Apple (Phil Shiller usually) touts performance at EVERY introduction...its 40% faster...80% quicker...etc...etc...etc. They don't tell you "oh it's only for 1 year, then we slow the damn thing down because it can't perform longer than that". If iOS and iPhones can't last longer than one year, there's something wrong with Apple's designs. Actually, perhaps it's the "design" obsession that is the culprit. Thin thin thin thin. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work, just make it thin. Don't make the battery itself useful. And let's slow it down after a year and call it "normal". Fanboys will defend us no matter what we tell them. Bull Crap.
I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years. If Apple's can't do that then I be replacing my iPhone 7+ with something else.
1) They also list various battery life stats. Are you also saying that those values should also be the same after a year? Two years? Three years? What battery technology should they use if you think believe that battery life of a new device shouldn't be stated if the batteries degrade with use?
2) The iPhone has has many generations where they've become thicker (and heavier). The Apple Watch, their latest device category, has become thicker each year.
3) What device will you replace it with? An Android device that will simply shutdown your system and lose your data because it wasn't smart enough to deal with an aging battery?
1. Don't give a damn about values year 1, 2, 3. I do care that the phone performs as advertised and as I bought it for this time. Apple needs to design phones like their earlier ones which did indeed perform for 3 years. Their obsession with thinnnnnnness created this problem. Adequate batteries no longer fit their "design". 2. So make them thick enough to include a decent battery. Jony may have sleepless nights but their phones would work. 3. Battery capacity will be high on my checklist for a replacement for my 7. Yes, I'd rather my phone perform to specs until it stops. At least I would know to either replace it entirely or the battery. And give me a break...you don't lose data when your battery runs out of power.
1) You literally mentioned years many times in your post. You even wrote "I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years."
2) iPhones battery tech is much better than when the original iPhone came out. Not knowing this means you're woefully under qualified for this conversation.
3) The battery life is much higher than it used to be. The battery capacity is also much higher than it used to be. Again, you should know this.
Original iPhone — 5.18 Wh
iPhone 8 — 6.96 Wh (134%)
iPhone 8 Plus: — 10.28 Wh (198%)
iPhone X — 10.35 Wh (200%)
4) If you need to know the battery condition there are countless apps, not to mention Apple telling you in Settings.
5) Every time a system shutdown unexpectedly everything not saved to disk disappears, and even cached data on NAND could be erased upon startup depending on how the system treats this temporary storage. This is why a proper shutdown sequence is performed instead of simply pulling power. If you're in the middle of an update your device could be bricked. Seriously, everyone on this forum should know this basic stuff.
Oh I feel ever so enlightened by your learned comment. I'm so grateful.
"Everyone" does know this basic stuff. "Everyone" should also know that with each release an OS adds functionality and features that consume power. The original iPhone did nothing anywhere near what the current ones do. Maybe "everyone" doesn't remember that battery capacities must be increased to support added functionality.
Yes, I don't care if a battery has 95% capacity or 80% or whatever after 1, 2 or 3 years. It needs to have enough to power the phone - as Apple touted when they sold it to me. Apple isn't adding enough. Plain. Simple. Period. For Apple, thinness Trumps (sorry) usability. Your example of the 8+ battery size proves the point. Duh, it's a bigger phone! More room for a larger battery. But let's not put enough power in ALL our phones to make them last. Let's just make people think they need to buy new ones every two years. We're making a killing on selling phones. Oh no!! We got caught cheating.
Spare me you ignorant fanboy lectures. Heard enough of the Kool-aid talk.
You've completely ignored how the components have changed to become more powerful while using less power and how Apple has stated battery life times that routinely increase over the years. Your claim is simply unjustified as stated.
My 5s is about 4.5yrs old now and the battery is wonky at about 34% of original capacity and 625 cycles, according to coconutbattery.
It's started slowing down a little before iOS 11 shipped. Then 11 really hurt battery life, but 11.2 brought it back up for awhile.
But it's become really slow. GPS really hits batteries and Maps will take my battery down within 1-2 hours. I click on an icon and the screen often goes black for 3-5sec before the next screen loads. Siri takes much longer to wake up before obeying my commands.
I know it's not Apple throttling performance for my 5s, but I do blame the battery. I watch for apps that want my location and anything that wants to refresh in the background.
I believe the battery has done well for so long (over 4 years) because I haven't let a charge fall below 50% before charging, and I charge it to 100% before bedtime, and don't charge it overnight. At least I didn't charge it overnight, but now I need to or it'll be very low in the morning. This is even with putting it in Airplane Mode at night.
While I use my 5s daily, I don't use it as much as a lot of people I worked with, so I tended to have more % at the end of the day. But that's not true these days, so there's a lot of charging. I've got an iFixIt battery kit to install, and I hope it gives me my speed back. It'll make a great iPod Touch when I get a new phone.
bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again.
Ipad mini 3 was released in 2015 and was succeeded by the mini 4 in late 2016 so a blind upgrade to a new major version is always iffy So, why update right away? Apple is not forcing you to.
BTW, you are comparing a late major version to a new major versions. If you look online, there are plenty of proof that this always lead to much better performance in older device. Devices more
than 2 year out from the latest should always wait out an upgrade. I waited 3 months to upgrade from 10.2.1 to 11.2.1
Also, the mini 3 wasn't released with 10.2.1 and plenty of people complained about 9.0 (slow, etc). Using your logic, they should have kept in on 9.0.
Later versions of major updates usually are quicker on older devices. Check out reviews of updates like 11.3 and you'll almost certainly have almost the same speed as on 10.2.1
bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again.
I think thats because of bugs or other problems. The same with updating a Mac. Somtimes a update would slow your Mac down. The best thing was to do a clean install. The updated Mac ran like shit and the clean version was running fine but in the end they were running the same system. It's not that an iPad mini 3 can't run iOS 11.
Thats why i think it should be made easy to downgrade. Just in case the new system does not run like it should. And older versions should get updates and fixes for a longer period.
It's easy to downgrade if you downgrade to the version you just came from. That's the thing about people complaining, they for some weird reason never do that. Of course, to do that you have to upgrade immediatly when the major update comes in.
Ease downgrade to some random versions would be a big security hole and of course will never be allowed.
John Gruber did a recent podcast with Jason Snell on this subject. Definitely did not let Apple off the hook. Snell wondered just how much Apple thinks about an iPhone in year 3,4 of its lifespan. He also thinks top execs at Apple should have to use the latest software in development on a 3 year old device as their daily driver to determine if the experience is good enough to ship. It sounded like he has family members with older phones running the latest software and the experience isn’t great. Something else they brought up is users shouldn’t have to wipe their devices and reload from backup to improve the experience or get it back to what it was before the software update.
I am curious about Apple’s product development process. When they were first desigining the 6 did they take in to account that it would get 3 years worth of software updates? Who decided the 6 should get iOS 11? How does Apple decide how big the battery is going to be in a device? Do they start out with a certain battery life they want to hit and then put in whatever battery size will meet that target? And what is the target based on? Or is the battery size determined by a specific device weight/thickness target? With iPad the battery life has consistently been about 9 hours or so. Does Apple ever think about trying to get more or have they decided 9 hours is good enough?
Another problem Apple has is new versions of iOS for iPhone are tied new hardware releases so people on older devices are updating at the same time new devices are going on sale. That can easily leave the perception that Apple slowing down older phones to get people to upgrade. I know Apple wants as many users as possible to be on the latest software but maybe they need to re-think how long older devices keep getting software updates. Maybe iPhone 6 should have stopped at iOS 10 and only receive updates if there’s some critical security bug or something broke that needs to be fixed (like some iOS 6 only devices getting an update to fix an issue with FaceTime). And on the hardware side perhaps devices need to be futue proofed more. Maybe iPhone 6’s 1GB RAM was sufficient with iOS 8 but would that still be the case a year or two later after several software updates? The first iPad Air I had Safari was nearly unusable because the browser tabs were constantly reloading (how anyone at Apple found this acceptable is beyond me). With my iPad Pro and 4GB RAM I never run into this issue. One reason why I would never go back to an iPad that has less than 4GB RAM. Phil Schiller gave an interview before Christmas when he said (in reference to software bugs) that Apple had some soul searching to do. Good. Hopefully we really see that they’ve done that in 2018, especially on the software side.
You have made lot of good points. Expect rebuttal from few of those posters who would defend Apple at any cost.
It was Gruber’s podcast that got me thinking. I hope Schiller or Federighi have a chance to listen to it.
Don't know about your points. My daughter has a iPhone 5S with the latest iOS version and it runs as fast as ever. I don't think that the newer iOS versions requier a lot more processing power and RAM. By the way she has the original battery which has been charged every day. We have three iPads and they never ran slower after an update (i allways wait a few months before updating). My iPhone 7 still runs iOS 10. It would be nice though if you could easily downgrade and Apple would release security updates and bug fixes for some older versions. Just in case.
To be easily downgrade Apple would need to patch up all previous version up to version whatever with security patches and test them, that would be very hard to do and undoubtably introduce new bugs and security holes. Even MS is moving away from this except in extended support releases; it also is trying to have everyone on the same version.
bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again.
I think thats because of bugs or other problems. The same with updating a Mac. Somtimes a update would slow your Mac down. The best thing was to do a clean install. The updated Mac ran like shit and the clean version was running fine but in the end they were running the same system. It's not that an iPad mini 3 can't run iOS 11.
Thats why i think it should be made easy to downgrade. Just in case the new system does not run like it should. And older versions should get updates and fixes for a longer period.
It's easy to downgrade if you downgrade to the version you just came from. That's the thing about people complaining, they for some weird reason never do that. Of course, to do that you have to upgrade immediatly when the major update comes in.
Ease downgrade to some random versions would be a big security hole and of course will never be allowed.
You can downgrade once Apple stops signing that version? How?
My 5s is about 4.5yrs old now and the battery is wonky at about 34% of original capacity and 625 cycles, according to coconutbattery.
It's started slowing down a little before iOS 11 shipped. Then 11 really hurt battery life, but 11.2 brought it back up for awhile.
But it's become really slow. GPS really hits batteries and Maps will take my battery down within 1-2 hours. I click on an icon and the screen often goes black for 3-5sec before the next screen loads. Siri takes much longer to wake up before obeying my commands.
I know it's not Apple throttling performance for my 5s, but I do blame the battery. I watch for apps that want my location and anything that wants to refresh in the background.
I believe the battery has done well for so long (over 4 years) because I haven't let a charge fall below 50% before charging, and I charge it to 100% before bedtime, and don't charge it overnight. At least I didn't charge it overnight, but now I need to or it'll be very low in the morning. This is even with putting it in Airplane Mode at night.
While I use my 5s daily, I don't use it as much as a lot of people I worked with, so I tended to have more % at the end of the day. But that's not true these days, so there's a lot of charging. I've got an iFixIt battery kit to install, and I hope it gives me my speed back. It'll make a great iPod Touch when I get a new phone.
5s is a great little phone, once the battery's in, I think you'll feel nostalgia for it and may want to still use it as your main phone ;-).
bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again.
I think thats because of bugs or other problems. The same with updating a Mac. Somtimes a update would slow your Mac down. The best thing was to do a clean install. The updated Mac ran like shit and the clean version was running fine but in the end they were running the same system. It's not that an iPad mini 3 can't run iOS 11.
Thats why i think it should be made easy to downgrade. Just in case the new system does not run like it should. And older versions should get updates and fixes for a longer period.
It's easy to downgrade if you downgrade to the version you just came from. That's the thing about people complaining, they for some weird reason never do that. Of course, to do that you have to upgrade immediatly when the major update comes in.
Ease downgrade to some random versions would be a big security hole and of course will never be allowed.
You can downgrade once Apple stops signing that version? How?
I should have added in the week or two after you upgraded and that new version that was just released.
But, good grief, why always be dense!
People upgrade from 10.2.1 to 11.0 right away , performance according to them is shit, what to they do? Instead of downgrading right away, they whine constantly like babies until Apple doesn't sign that god damn version. Same thing for every other upgrades.
Two way to upgrade (or not)
1) The way to do things if you're "afraid" is backup your phone, upgrade as soon as a new version comes out, test it a few days, if its terrible, back out.
But, a better way for those people is probably to read god damn reviews on new update for a 2 days before even doing this. Problems appear real fast so they'll have their response right away and preempt a cycle of whining.
2) Wait it out until reviews come back that performance is fine, that's usually the case in versions past X.2 that can arrive 2-6 months after the first major version. By that time, performance issues have most times been sorted out and you can safely upgrade (but you don't have too).
I've had many many iphones since the original one and that pattern of sorting out issues by later versions has always turned out to be true.
John Gruber did a recent podcast with Jason Snell on this subject. Definitely did not let Apple off the hook. Snell wondered just how much Apple thinks about an iPhone in year 3,4 of its lifespan. He also thinks top execs at Apple should have to use the latest software in development on a 3 year old device as their daily driver to determine if the experience is good enough to ship. It sounded like he has family members with older phones running the latest software and the experience isn’t great. Something else they brought up is users shouldn’t have to wipe their devices and reload from backup to improve the experience or get it back to what it was before the software update.
I am curious about Apple’s product development process. When they were first desigining the 6 did they take in to account that it would get 3 years worth of software updates? Who decided the 6 should get iOS 11? How does Apple decide how big the battery is going to be in a device? Do they start out with a certain battery life they want to hit and then put in whatever battery size will meet that target? And what is the target based on? Or is the battery size determined by a specific device weight/thickness target? With iPad the battery life has consistently been about 9 hours or so. Does Apple ever think about trying to get more or have they decided 9 hours is good enough?
Another problem Apple has is new versions of iOS for iPhone are tied new hardware releases so people on older devices are updating at the same time new devices are going on sale. That can easily leave the perception that Apple slowing down older phones to get people to upgrade. I know Apple wants as many users as possible to be on the latest software but maybe they need to re-think how long older devices keep getting software updates. Maybe iPhone 6 should have stopped at iOS 10 and only receive updates if there’s some critical security bug or something broke that needs to be fixed (like some iOS 6 only devices getting an update to fix an issue with FaceTime). And on the hardware side perhaps devices need to be futue proofed more. Maybe iPhone 6’s 1GB RAM was sufficient with iOS 8 but would that still be the case a year or two later after several software updates? The first iPad Air I had Safari was nearly unusable because the browser tabs were constantly reloading (how anyone at Apple found this acceptable is beyond me). With my iPad Pro and 4GB RAM I never run into this issue. One reason why I would never go back to an iPad that has less than 4GB RAM. Phil Schiller gave an interview before Christmas when he said (in reference to software bugs) that Apple had some soul searching to do. Good. Hopefully we really see that they’ve done that in 2018, especially on the software side.
The problem with your logic is that late versions of IOS seem to clear up the issue and some on the 5s are now fine. an Iphone 6 or 5s with low number of charging cycles, or with replaced batteries are faster than a 7 with 700 charging cycles (which can happen in a year if you charge your phone twice a day). It also seem to forget that usage has a big impact on how your phone reacts; someone who mainly uses their phone for calling / texting with no background apps at all maybe don't feel any slowdown at all ever even with slow X.0 versions.
Why deprive people like that from new versions?
1G is well big enough to run an OS no matter the version. Actual usage and efficiency of the code itself counts for a lot more. As single bad critical path can slow down everything to a standstill no matter how much memory and power your phone has. Galaxy phones has been jerky with 3-4G of memory and with 8 cores on brand new Android versions.
That's why, most slowdown clear up in later versions. Those phones in deed could support these OS after all. Apple has had many X.0 versions which have been not good at all in the speed department on older phones. That's almost a given, the main difference in this case is that there was a dependency that did not in fact depend exactly on the age of the phone, but on its usage (usage and age is correlated, but not 1:1).
There are also dependencies of power on usage, how you set your screen up, use of GPS, bluetooth, constant background apps... If you got none of those, your phone likely will not only reach the end of the day with more power, but it will have a lot less charging cycles and it will have more reserve (because it runs less stuff) for peak usage. Those people will minimally feel any slowdown related to batteries, and likely not many slowdown even from peak usage (since their phone always more reserve power than people who use their phones more intensely).
One thing that does use loads of memory is web browsing, and that's one thing were having a low amount of memory has progressively more impact with time as web sites become more and more ripe with javascript; but that doesn't have anything to do with the OS itself and could be an area were Apple can be faulted (though considering they sold 145M Iphones in 2 quarters in 2014-2015, not sure they could actually have put 2G of very fast memory in all those phones at that time).
I'm a believer of apple products for many years now. all my family's phones & computers are apple products. They are premium products that I paid at PREMIUM PRICE. With apple's price, customers are expecting a premium performance on iPhone. Premium does not equate to slowing down the performance. I honestly was disappointed & absolutely hate it when i heard the throttling. Remember the old windows PC?... performance is slowing down after some time. This is the very reason why I switched to apple products. Now, Apple is so big in cellphone industry that it is now becoming like the old windows PC.... terrible.
bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again.
I think thats because of bugs or other problems. The same with updating a Mac. Somtimes a update would slow your Mac down. The best thing was to do a clean install. The updated Mac ran like shit and the clean version was running fine but in the end they were running the same system. It's not that an iPad mini 3 can't run iOS 11.
Thats why i think it should be made easy to downgrade. Just in case the new system does not run like it should. And older versions should get updates and fixes for a longer period.
It's easy to downgrade if you downgrade to the version you just came from. That's the thing about people complaining, they for some weird reason never do that. Of course, to do that you have to upgrade immediatly when the major update comes in.
Ease downgrade to some random versions would be a big security hole and of course will never be allowed.
You can downgrade once Apple stops signing that version? How?
I should have added in the week or two after you upgraded and that new version that was just released.
But, good grief, why always be dense!
People upgrade from 10.2.1 to 11.0 right away , performance according to them is shit, what to they do? Instead of downgrading right away, they whine constantly like babies until Apple doesn't sign that god damn version. Same thing for every other upgrades.
Two way to upgrade (or not)
1) The way to do things if you're "afraid" is backup your phone, upgrade as soon as a new version comes out, test it a few days, if its terrible, back out.
But, a better way for those people is probably to read god damn reviews on new update for a 2 days before even doing this. Problems appear real fast so they'll have their response right away and preempt a cycle of whining.
2) Wait it out until reviews come back that performance is fine, that's usually the case in versions past X.2 that can arrive 2-6 months after the first major version. By that time, performance issues have most times been sorted out and you can safely upgrade (but you don't have too).
I've had many many iphones since the original one and that pattern of sorting out issues by later versions has always turned out to be true.
And how many people would even know how to downgrade? Most people in my family who have iOS devices have never used iTunes. They wouldn’t have a fucking clue how to downgrade their software nor would they know there’s only a short period of time where it’s possible. This certainly isn’t something Apple advertises. People here need to stop carrying water for Apple 24/7.
I'm a believer of apple products for many years now. all my family's phones & computers are apple products. They are premium products that I paid at PREMIUM PRICE. With apple's price, customers are expecting a premium performance on iPhone. Premium does not equate to slowing down the performance. I honestly was disappointed & absolutely hate it when i heard the throttling. Remember the old windows PC?... performance is slowing down after some time. This is the very reason why I switched to apple products. Now, Apple is so big in cellphone industry that it is now becoming like the old windows PC.... terrible.
So you have absolutely no idea what the slowdowns were meant to do, or what causes them to occur. You read slowdown and decided to join to write that nonsense? Thanks.
I'm a believer of apple products for many years now. all my family's phones & computers are apple products. They are premium products that I paid at PREMIUM PRICE. With apple's price, customers are expecting a premium performance on iPhone. Premium does not equate to slowing down the performance. I honestly was disappointed & absolutely hate it when i heard the throttling. Remember the old windows PC?... performance is slowing down after some time. This is the very reason why I switched to apple products. Now, Apple is so big in cellphone industry that it is now becoming like the old windows PC.... terrible.
So, you prefer your phone to die? The battery is dying (after 500-700 full chargin cycles), there is no other option but a shutdown.
If you think that batteries could provide full performance even when they've lost 30% of their peak power, then you were living with a delusion. The only way that would not be the case is if they overbuilt the battery initially which would mean carrying a phone 30% bigger initilally just to make sure the battery would have enough juice 2+ years down the roads. Most people don't want a phone that weights more than half a pound. Even then, a year later you'd still be at the same point with your phone shutting down under peak usage (like say, playing a game). Wouldn't you prefer you phone to have a slightly reduced frame rate at that moment than being unusable and shutting down at any moment under load.
bs video, apple didn't care about the performance of the phone, they new people will upgrade devices. My iPad mini 3 was perfectly smooth just before iOS 11. And I had just 4 months with it so the battery couldn't be degraded plus I had all day battery use, so if battery was a problem I should have noticed a decrease in run time. I couldn't stand the crap performance after updating so what I did? Yes, I bought me an iPad mini 4 running iOS 10.2 and the device works perfectly smooth. Running outdated software, yes but I won't update again.
I think thats because of bugs or other problems. The same with updating a Mac. Somtimes a update would slow your Mac down. The best thing was to do a clean install. The updated Mac ran like shit and the clean version was running fine but in the end they were running the same system. It's not that an iPad mini 3 can't run iOS 11.
Thats why i think it should be made easy to downgrade. Just in case the new system does not run like it should. And older versions should get updates and fixes for a longer period.
Good point, I should have tried a full reset before going for the new iPad but I was so mad my mind wasn't thinking correctly 😅
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"Everyone" does know this basic stuff. "Everyone" should also know that with each release an OS adds functionality and features that consume power. The original iPhone did nothing anywhere near what the current ones do. Maybe "everyone" doesn't remember that battery capacities must be increased to support added functionality.
Yes, I don't care if a battery has 95% capacity or 80% or whatever after 1, 2 or 3 years. It needs to have enough to power the phone - as Apple touted when they sold it to me. Apple isn't adding enough. Plain. Simple. Period. For Apple, thinness Trumps (sorry) usability. Your example of the 8+ battery size proves the point. Duh, it's a bigger phone! More room for a larger battery. But let's not put enough power in ALL our phones to make them last. Let's just make people think they need to buy new ones every two years. We're making a killing on selling phones. Oh no!! We got caught cheating.
Spare me you ignorant fanboy lectures. Heard enough of the Kool-aid talk.
It's started slowing down a little before iOS 11 shipped. Then 11 really hurt battery life, but 11.2 brought it back up for awhile.
But it's become really slow. GPS really hits batteries and Maps will take my battery down within 1-2 hours. I click on an icon and the screen often goes black for 3-5sec before the next screen loads. Siri takes much longer to wake up before obeying my commands.
I know it's not Apple throttling performance for my 5s, but I do blame the battery. I watch for apps that want my location and anything that wants to refresh in the background.
I believe the battery has done well for so long (over 4 years) because I haven't let a charge fall below 50% before charging, and I charge it to 100% before bedtime, and don't charge it overnight. At least I didn't charge it overnight, but now I need to or it'll be very low in the morning. This is even with putting it in Airplane Mode at night.
While I use my 5s daily, I don't use it as much as a lot of people I worked with, so I tended to have more % at the end of the day. But that's not true these days, so there's a lot of charging. I've got an iFixIt battery kit to install, and I hope it gives me my speed back. It'll make a great iPod Touch when I get a new phone.
So, why update right away? Apple is not forcing you to.
BTW, you are comparing a late major version to a new major versions. If you look online, there are plenty of proof that this always lead to much better performance in older device. Devices more than 2 year out from the latest should always wait out an upgrade. I waited 3 months to upgrade from 10.2.1 to 11.2.1
Also, the mini 3 wasn't released with 10.2.1 and plenty of people complained about 9.0 (slow, etc). Using your logic, they should have kept in on 9.0.
Later versions of major updates usually are quicker on older devices. Check out reviews of updates like 11.3 and you'll almost certainly have almost the same speed as on 10.2.1
Of course, to do that you have to upgrade immediatly when the major update comes in.
Ease downgrade to some random versions would be a big security hole and of course will never be allowed.
But, good grief, why always be dense!
People upgrade from 10.2.1 to 11.0 right away , performance according to them is shit, what to they do?
Instead of downgrading right away, they whine constantly like babies until Apple doesn't sign that god damn version.
Same thing for every other upgrades.
Two way to upgrade (or not)
1) The way to do things if you're "afraid" is backup your phone, upgrade as soon as a new version comes out, test it a few days, if its terrible, back out.
But, a better way for those people is probably to read god damn reviews on new update for a 2 days before even doing this. Problems appear real fast so they'll have their response right away and preempt a cycle of whining.
2) Wait it out until reviews come back that performance is fine, that's usually the case in versions past X.2 that can arrive 2-6 months after the first major version.
By that time, performance issues have most times been sorted out and you can safely upgrade (but you don't have too).
I've had many many iphones since the original one and that pattern of sorting out issues by later versions has always turned out to be true.
Why deprive people like that from new versions?
1G is well big enough to run an OS no matter the version. Actual usage and efficiency of the code itself counts for a lot more. As single bad critical path can slow down everything to a standstill no matter how much memory and power your phone has. Galaxy phones has been jerky with 3-4G of memory and with 8 cores on brand new Android versions.
That's why, most slowdown clear up in later versions. Those phones in deed could support these OS after all. Apple has had many X.0 versions which have been not good at all in the speed department on older phones. That's almost a given, the main difference in this case is that there was a dependency that did not in fact depend exactly on the age of the phone, but on its usage (usage and age is correlated, but not 1:1).
There are also dependencies of power on usage, how you set your screen up, use of GPS, bluetooth, constant background apps... If you got none of those, your phone likely will not only reach the end of the day with more power, but it will have a lot less charging cycles and it will have more reserve (because it runs less stuff) for peak usage. Those people will minimally feel any slowdown related to batteries, and likely not many slowdown even from peak usage (since their phone always more reserve power than people who use their phones more intensely).
One thing that does use loads of memory is web browsing, and that's one thing were having a low amount of memory has progressively more impact with time as web sites become more and more ripe with javascript; but that doesn't have anything to do with the OS itself and could be an area were Apple can be faulted (though considering they sold 145M Iphones in 2 quarters in 2014-2015, not sure they could actually have put 2G of very fast memory in all those phones at that time).
If you think that batteries could provide full performance even when they've lost 30% of their peak power, then you were living with a delusion.
The only way that would not be the case is if they overbuilt the battery initially which would mean carrying a phone 30% bigger initilally just to make sure the battery would have enough juice 2+ years down the roads. Most people don't want a phone that weights more than half a pound.
Even then, a year later you'd still be at the same point with your phone shutting down under peak usage (like say, playing a game). Wouldn't you prefer you phone to have a slightly reduced frame rate at that moment than being unusable and shutting down at any moment under load.