More evidence that prices are too high across the board. The phones are not the problem; the prices are. Half of the iPhone’s price increase since it was released a decade ago has come in the last year alone.
I have to agree with Deadpool in this one: at least in Australia. In fact, the price gouge has become so bad here that my families two year tic-tic upgrade cycle has ceased. My wife has decided to stick with her 2year old iPhone and I have no intention of upgrading my X next year. Not when the phone costs more than a laptop!
and to be clear, it’s not just the phones and it’s not just me. Apple lost the ale of at least 5 new Mac minis this year with its outrageous mini pricing.
I fear we we are seeing a return to the stupidity of Apple in the early nineties. I hope not, I have shares!
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
It's an expression of exclamation. No one, meaning not me or anyone else in the discussion. Hardly incredible.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
Way to make fun of someone for whom English clearly is a second language. He meant “I did not ask for Apple to pay the tax” and with a little bit of good faith you could have accepted that instead of going for the cheap shot here.
And what he means is that higher sales tax will amplify differences in pricing. A 50$ difference becomes a 60$ difference to the consumer when the tax is added. Some other products of Apple have even bigger differences in price. Now Apple can price their products however the company likes, but it should not expect sales to be unaffected. Samsung and other smartphone sellers manage to offer prices in Europe that equal US prices including VAT. Apple is not even close to that. And it does not even make any sense. As far as I know the iPhone XS and the iPad Pro 12.9 are the same price in the US. In Germany the XS costs 1149€ vs 1099€ for the iPad Pro 12.9. It is weird for Apple to price them so far apart. Especially when Apple has no Problem to offer smaller incremental differences in pricing on other products like the XR and iPad Pro 11 which are 30€ apart and therefore more in line with US pricing although both more expansive of course.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
Way to make fun of someone for whom English clearly is a second language. He meant “I did not ask for Apple to pay the tax” and with a little bit of good faith you could have accepted that instead of going for the cheap shot here.
And what he means is that higher sales tax will amplify differences in pricing. A 50$ difference becomes a 60$ difference to the consumer when the tax is added. Some other products of Apple have even bigger differences in price. Now Apple can price their products however the company likes, but it should not expect sales to be unaffected. Samsung and other smartphone sellers manage to offer prices in Europe that equal US prices including VAT. Apple is not even close to that.
I think many analysts overlook the used iPhone market
"From “How is the iPhone installed base growing double digits with no unit growth?,” a note sent to clients Tuesday by analyst Wamsi Mohan:
We view the installed base (IB) as a key indicator of the eventual potential of the Apple ecosystem. In our opinion the following points are the most important to consider in evaluating the long term potential for Apple:
(1) Size of the global iPhone IB of about 1 billion units by the end of 2018 (about 750mn primary and 270mn in the used iPhone IB),
(2) Installed base CAGR [compound annual growth rate] over the past 2 years is 15%, primarily driven by strong double-digit growth in the used iPhone IB (2-year CAGR of 61% y/y, albeit off of a small base), while the new iPhone installed base has grown at a mid-single digit CAGR (6% y/y),
(3) Future growth in IB will largely come from the used phone market which can be a detractor to primary phone sales,
(4) A larger installed base can eventually drive higher consumption of services and sales of incremental devices (halo effect),
(5) The elongation of replacement cycles is additive to IB growth but the onus of unit growth will fall on Android switchers and first-time smartphone buyers (primary only), and
(6) Secondary market growth presents a large services opportunity but currently even primary market services attach is relatively low."
What happens when next year Apple abondons big chunks of the market by no more updates to older phones making up the bulk of that base iPhone 5,5s, 5c and the Sixes?
I think they could have a slimmed down iOS that people pay for by subcribing to at least one Apple service. Be it iCloud or Music it still keeps those devices then in the pool while keeping headline functions for the devices that can push them.
More evidence that prices are too high across the board. The phones are not the problem; the prices are. Half of the iPhone’s price increase since it was released a decade ago has come in the last year alone.
Actually, you’re wrong - the only “evidence” is Apple’s record profits, which suggest the price on iphones has been too *low*, as explained by Warren Buffet. Read up.
Just because you want things for free or cheaply, doesn’t mean there’s a problem. It’s good to want things.
Why then are phone sales flat YoY? Cook is desperate to keep growing revenue, and he's using the ridiculous mentality they use on the public transport here in the UK: Less sales, raise prices to compensate. Results in a vicious circle of less people buying iPhones because of the cost, then raising of prices to maintain revenue. Where does it end? It's pretty obvious to any businessman cutting prices boosts sales. Cook seems to think the opposite. Remember he's an operations guy, not a visionary.
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
Way to make fun of someone for whom English clearly is a second language. He meant “I did not ask for Apple to pay the tax” and with a little bit of good faith you could have accepted that instead of going for the cheap shot here.
And what he means is that higher sales tax will amplify differences in pricing. A 50$ difference becomes a 60$ difference to the consumer when the tax is added. Some other products of Apple have even bigger differences in price. Now Apple can price their products however the company likes, but it should not expect sales to be unaffected. Samsung and other smartphone sellers manage to offer prices in Europe that equal US prices including VAT. Apple is not even close to that.
The iPhone is £220 or $280 more expensive in the UK. What's your excuse for that when Samesung can sell the same phone for the same price in each country? Silence, no doubt as usual for you when someone gives you facts that're not pro-Apple, and you can't come up with another implausable excuse.
Apple just enhances the mid-range, alongside the 8 series. Wise move.
A12 Bionic for high-end: XR, XS, XS Max. A11 Bionic for mid-range: 8, 8 Plus, X. A10 Fusion for low-end: 7, 7 Plus.
If Apple places the X at the same slot as the XR ($749) that would be great ;-) That may require some tweaking with the storage. But there is an "empty" slot between the XR (749) and the XS (999), most probably the X will go there: 799-849. If that happens then my classification above will be no longer valid and we'll understand that Apple considers all the Xx series as high-end.
Other than the Colors I think that the 8Plus is just as good as the XR without getting stuck with subpar intel modems and the 7Plus is pretty darn close. Plus people who like smaller phones basically have to stay with the iPhone 8 or iPhone 7. Since I carry a 8+ and 7+ I see no compelling reason to move to XR or XS. Hopefully they come out with Solid State batteries in the iPhone so that their would a great reason to go to a new phone.
I saw Best Buy and a few other places were offering $250 Homepods. I don’t think I have ever seen a cut so big with an Apple product in the first year
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
Way to make fun of someone for whom English clearly is a second language. He meant “I did not ask for Apple to pay the tax” and with a little bit of good faith you could have accepted that instead of going for the cheap shot here.
And what he means is that higher sales tax will amplify differences in pricing. A 50$ difference becomes a 60$ difference to the consumer when the tax is added. Some other products of Apple have even bigger differences in price. Now Apple can price their products however the company likes, but it should not expect sales to be unaffected. Samsung and other smartphone sellers manage to offer prices in Europe that equal US prices including VAT. Apple is not even close to that.
The iPhone is £220 or $280 more expensive in the UK. What's your excuse for that when Samesung can sell the same phone for the same price in each country? Silence, no doubt as usual for you when someone gives you facts that're not pro-Apple, and you can't come up with another implausable excuse.
So you compare Apple to individual / 3d party Amazon sellers who can go into every kind of bargain in order to collect feedback? Submit a Samsung link if you submit Apple's. Never mind, here they are:
I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective and state that I backed off from a new XR purely on that point.
If it had topped out at 749€ I would have got one. The problem is that tha final retail price is touching 900€ after sales tax here.
It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
In terms of value I feel the XR is lacking but 749€ would have got the sale nevertheless for other reasons. At current end-pricing it is a no go.
€859 incl. €151 tax. 859 - 151 = €708. 708 EUR in USD = 807.67. The difference from the US store is only $50. Now take this $50 and please shut up.
We are speculating on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales. I gave one. Now, please tell me - and everyone in Europe - how to avoid that tax because if you you can do that it might be a solution to that possible issue.
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, neverever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the finalretailprice for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
Is there any life without tax? Tax is everywhere, only the modality to display it differs. In Europe the VAT is included in the price, which is what I experience in my every shopping, but I don't complain because it is not Apple's duty to pay my tax. If the customer is dissuaded because of the tax included in the price then let him go, what can Apple or any other company do about that? Yet Apple displays the tax separately, if the customer is still dissuaded then there is nothing to do.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
Let me point out two things from my first post:
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
Incredible. Your point #1 argues you’re speaking only from your own perspective, yet you than say “No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.” That sounds like you’re speaking for everyone.
Way to make fun of someone for whom English clearly is a second language. He meant “I did not ask for Apple to pay the tax” and with a little bit of good faith you could have accepted that instead of going for the cheap shot here.
Stop being absurd. Avon speaks fluent english on this site and we’ve never had reason to believe he struggles with the language before. Stop white knighting.
Apple: ok, lets start production in those two facilities, and lets shift the main part of the volume from the first to the second fab.
ANAList: Apple is slashing its production in the first fab. Signs of trouble are ahead. Reasons for slashing are unknown, but here are 20 weird explanations. Apple: wtf? MSM pundits: Apple glory days are over. Apple: smh...lol. Lets buy back some more.
More evidence that prices are too high across the board. The phones are not the problem; the prices are. Half of the iPhone’s price increase since it was released a decade ago has come in the last year alone.
Actually, you’re wrong - the only “evidence” is Apple’s record profits, which suggest the price on iphones has been too *low*, as explained by Warren Buffet. Read up.
Just because you want things for free or cheaply, doesn’t mean there’s a problem. It’s good to want things.
Why then are phone sales flat YoY? Cook is desperate to keep growing revenue, and he's using the ridiculous mentality they use on the public transport here in the UK: Less sales, raise prices to compensate. Results in a vicious circle of less people buying iPhones because of the cost, then raising of prices to maintain revenue. Where does it end? It's pretty obvious to any businessman cutting prices boosts sales. Cook seems to think the opposite. Remember he's an operations guy, not a visionary.
Pathetic. Cook isn’t “desperate” for anything, he’s the most successful modern CEO of the most successful public corp in the history of the entire human race. Are you fucking serious? Get real, man. The knockoff competitor CEOs, who are entirely nameless due to their mediocrity, are the only desperate ones here. Besides you haters, of course.
Apple’s profits remain legion and record setting. Market share doesn’t matter.
CEOs are most often operations people and rarely visionaries. You seem to be confusing Jobs, a product manager, for being a typical CEO. Ignorant.
More evidence that prices are too high across the board. The phones are not the problem; the prices are. Half of the iPhone’s price increase since it was released a decade ago has come in the last year alone.
Actually, you’re wrong - the only “evidence” is Apple’s record profits, which suggest the price on iphones has been too *low*, as explained by Warren Buffet. Read up.
Just because you want things for free or cheaply, doesn’t mean there’s a problem. It’s good to want things.
Why then are phone sales flat YoY? Cook is desperate to keep growing revenue, and he's using the ridiculous mentality they use on the public transport here in the UK: Less sales, raise prices to compensate. Results in a vicious circle of less people buying iPhones because of the cost, then raising of prices to maintain revenue. Where does it end? It's pretty obvious to any businessman cutting prices boosts sales. Cook seems to think the opposite. Remember he's an operations guy, not a visionary.
Apple met its own guidance and increased sales YOY. On top of that people said last year Apple was doomed because people weren’t buying the iPhone X. Turned out Apple sold far more of them then it anticipated. People elected for the more expensive X over the 8.
It is OK Tim isn’t a visionary as long as he has a strong creative team and he empowers them. Apple is spending tons of money on health care research. The Apple Wstch is utilizing some of that research. There is lot more Apple can do in health care.
Further, if Apple’s unit growth is maturing then any smart CEO is going to try and grow the company by offering some higher price point products. Apple’s approach is offering lower priced phones in the XR and more expensive models in the XS.
More over the Wall Street Journal doesn’t name sources and has a history of being wrong.
Factor 1: iPhone XR is about 12% better performance than iPhone X, see Geekbench single core scores yourself. So, iPhone X should be at least 10% cheaper than iPhone XR by cost performance.
Factor 2: iPhone X is an older technology, with a life expectancy of 3 years with a zero residual value , iPhone X should be at least 33% cheaper than last year and 66% cheaper if it were sold next year.
Factor 1 + Factor 2: iPhone X should be 75% cheaper than the original launching price by next year.
Thus, I’ll generously consider to offer to buy a brand new iPhone X 512GB within $500 in 2019.
Thanks for referring to this (correctly) as a rumor in the headline.
I guess the WSJ continues to be one of the US’ most prominent financial publications, but that doesn’t mean everything they print is true. The WSJ trafficked heavily in the “iPhone X is a failure” last year, for example, and has been wrong on many of its rumor reports ever since Murdoch took over.
If —IF — production of the X has restarted, its certainly not due to some leftover amount of OLED screens in that size/style — the iPhone X was the best-selling smartphone by brand, bar none, last year. The WSJ report already has at least some unlikely info in it, meaning the entire thing is suspect. I’m inclined to agree with DAalseth ... this seems like a planted story to further discredit the XR.
I’d like to also point out — probably for the first of many times — that if the XR was seriously underperforming, that would affect Apple’s financials, and they would be legally obligated to warn investors of any serious miss to the (record-setting) guidance they’ve given. That could still happen, obviously, but to hear the media tell it the XR is in such freefall that Apple would need to revise guidance soon — I find that incredibly unlikely to happen (just like it didn’t happen last year when we were fed these same “X is a flop” stories).
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and to be clear, it’s not just the phones and it’s not just me. Apple lost the ale of at least 5 new Mac minis this year with its outrageous mini pricing.
I fear we we are seeing a return to the stupidity of Apple in the early nineties. I hope not, I have shares!
People in Europe look at pricing based on product price plus sales tax. Regular consumers never ever, let me bold that, never ever view pricing without including the sales tax.
There is no point claiming that the base price is less (after currency considerations) if the final retail price for the consumer is still high enough to dissuade a purchase, which is exactly my case and which I made very clear.
If the point is to speculate on the possible reasons for a possible slackening of XR sales in Europe, that may be just because of longer refresh cycles and the aged population of Europe. Yet the XR is just released and we are not at the peak of the shopping season, it is too early to come to such conclusions or to jump on rumors as if it is the end of the world.
1. I can only speak about pricing from my own perspective.
2. It wouldn't surprise me if Europeans have reacted in the same way as me.
No one is asking Apple to pay the tax.
And what he means is that higher sales tax will amplify differences in pricing. A 50$ difference becomes a 60$ difference to the consumer when the tax is added. Some other products of Apple have even bigger differences in price. Now Apple can price their products however the company likes, but it should not expect sales to be unaffected. Samsung and other smartphone sellers manage to offer prices in Europe that equal US prices including VAT. Apple is not even close to that. And it does not even make any sense. As far as I know the iPhone XS and the iPad Pro 12.9 are the same price in the US. In Germany the XS costs 1149€ vs 1099€ for the iPad Pro 12.9. It is weird for Apple to price them so far apart. Especially when Apple has no Problem to offer smaller incremental differences in pricing on other products like the XR and iPad Pro 11 which are 30€ apart and therefore more in line with US pricing although both more expansive of course.
£479 or $613 USD in the UK
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Galaxy-Sim-Free-Smartphone-Unlocked/dp/B07BBSGP1D/ref=sr_1_5?s=telephone&ie=UTF8&qid=1542938867&sr=1-5&keywords=samsung+s9 ;
$619 USD or £483 for the same phone in the US
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SM-G9600-Unlocked-Smartphone-International/dp/B079X7DQ4Q/ref=sr_1_5?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1542938856&sr=1-5&keywords=samsung+s9
Now with Apple:
iPhone Xs - £999 or $1280 USD
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-xs
iPhone Xs - $999 USD or £779
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-xs
The iPhone is £220 or $280 more expensive in the UK. What's your excuse for that when Samesung can sell the same phone for the same price in each country? Silence, no doubt as usual for you when someone gives you facts that're not pro-Apple, and you can't come up with another implausable excuse.
I saw Best Buy and a few other places were offering $250 Homepods. I don’t think I have ever seen a cut so big with an Apple product in the first year
https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-s9/shop/
https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s9/buy/s/Device/
£739 vs $519.99 (US).
With Black Friday discount £599 vs. 519.99 (US).
Do you honestly believe you’re fooling anyone here?
Apple: wtf?
MSM pundits: Apple glory days are over.
Apple: smh...lol. Lets buy back some more.
Pathetic. Cook isn’t “desperate” for anything, he’s the most successful modern CEO of the most successful public corp in the history of the entire human race. Are you fucking serious? Get real, man. The knockoff competitor CEOs, who are entirely nameless due to their mediocrity, are the only desperate ones here. Besides you haters, of course.
Apple’s profits remain legion and record setting. Market share doesn’t matter.
CEOs are most often operations people and rarely visionaries. You seem to be confusing Jobs, a product manager, for being a typical CEO. Ignorant.
It is OK Tim isn’t a visionary as long as he has a strong creative team and he empowers them. Apple is spending tons of money on health care research. The Apple Wstch is utilizing some of that research. There is lot more Apple can do in health care.
Further, if Apple’s unit growth is maturing then any smart CEO is going to try and grow the company by offering some higher price point products. Apple’s approach is offering lower priced phones in the XR and more expensive models in the XS.
More over the Wall Street Journal doesn’t name sources and has a history of being wrong.
Factor 2: iPhone X is an older technology, with a life expectancy of 3 years with a zero residual value , iPhone X should be at least 33% cheaper than last year and 66% cheaper if it were sold next year.
Factor 1 + Factor 2: iPhone X should be 75% cheaper than the original launching price by next year.
Thus, I’ll generously consider to offer to buy a brand new iPhone X 512GB within $500 in 2019.
I guess the WSJ continues to be one of the US’ most prominent financial publications, but that doesn’t mean everything they print is true. The WSJ trafficked heavily in the “iPhone X is a failure” last year, for example, and has been wrong on many of its rumor reports ever since Murdoch took over.
If —IF — production of the X has restarted, its certainly not due to some leftover amount of OLED screens in that size/style — the iPhone X was the best-selling smartphone by brand, bar none, last year. The WSJ report already has at least some unlikely info in it, meaning the entire thing is suspect. I’m inclined to agree with DAalseth ... this seems like a planted story to further discredit the XR.
I’d like to also point out — probably for the first of many times — that if the XR was seriously underperforming, that would affect Apple’s financials, and they would be legally obligated to warn investors of any serious miss to the (record-setting) guidance they’ve given. That could still happen, obviously, but to hear the media tell it the XR is in such freefall that Apple would need to revise guidance soon — I find that incredibly unlikely to happen (just like it didn’t happen last year when we were fed these same “X is a flop” stories).