While I think there is an undercurrent of IP concerns with China for everyone who does business there, including Chinese domestic entities, this specific message is pure FUD spew from the White House to try to deflect some of the impact of the administration’s policies are having on companies like Apple. They’re trying to use Apple as a pawn. Next thing you know they’re going to be touting the benefits their policies are having on Apple’s customer support costs in China. Fewer Apple customers = lower Apple customer support costs = add one more item to the WH “wins” list. Resolving the IP issues with China requires negotiations. You don’t put out a fire on a boat by sinking the boat.
People who understand negotiating technique understand one must deal from a position of strength in order to reach a favorable deal. If Kudlow is “shading the truth” in order to gain additional advantage, that’s what it takes.
It’s worth noting for important context to this story that Larry Kudlow has a VERY LONG track record of being wrong about everything he ever comments on.
A rather worrying trait for the guy in charge of the economy, but his history of making unsubstantiated and false claims means that neither the Chinese nor you, dear reader, should pay any attention to anything he says.
What did they steal? The only thing I could think of would be something related to their A Series processors, as most other components in iPhones are purchased from suppliers and not designed specifically by Apple.
And given how far behind their processors are, I don't think they did a very good job of stealing anything.
Politicians and media have a habit of using incorrect words to distort, exaggerate, and lie about the truth. What China has done is copying Apple designs. Is COPY the same meaning as STEAL? According US laws the only time you can use the word steal is when patents or copyrights are violated. And it should be left to the Court to decide. Politicians and media are stupid in high tech. They don't know nothing. For example the Bloomberg news.
Wow. That explains a lot.
Btw, please give us some advice: which court do we go to, if this “copying” or “stealing” were done within in the legal territory of China for products that are not sold here in the US (such as Huawei and Xiaomi iPhone knockoffs)?
China has been blatantly stealing technology and IP for years. Not sure why it's a big revelation now.
It’s part of the back-and-forth of the negotiating process. They lie and exaggerate, our representatives lie and exaggerate and at some point they’ll come to an agreement.
China has been blatantly stealing technology and IP for years. Not sure why it's a big revelation now.
It’s part of the back-and-forth of the negotiating process. They lie and exaggerate, our representatives lie and exaggerate and at some point they’ll come to an agreement.
IP theft in China is not about negotiations. It spans the gamut from the government requiring companies to reveal trade secrets to blatant patent and copyright infringement to corrupt courts that do not enforce the laws that do exist.
China has been blatantly stealing technology and IP for years. Not sure why it's a big revelation now.
It’s part of the back-and-forth of the negotiating process. They lie and exaggerate, our representatives lie and exaggerate and at some point they’ll come to an agreement.
IP theft in China is not about negotiations. It spans the gamut from the government requiring companies to reveal trade secrets to blatant patent and copyright infringement to corrupt courts that do not enforce the laws that do exist.
I’m well aware of these points. The path negotiations take are many and there are no guarantees, however China is in a weaker position as they sell a massive amount of products to the US and buy about 25% in return.
“If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.”
“If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.”
-Thomas Jefferson
So-called intellectual property are not ideas, they are the expression of ideas. One cannot patent freedom, but one could patent a method of achieving greater personal freedom and mobility by means of a mechanical apparatus, for example.
What did they steal? The only thing I could think of would be something related to their A Series processors, as most other components in iPhones are purchased from suppliers and not designed specifically by Apple.
And given how far behind their processors are, I don't think they did a very good job of stealing anything.
I would have thought it obvious that it's not just about "the processor". There's several Apple features and the technologies that make them possible from face recognition to AI development, audio techniques and sensors, security chipsets and interfaces... That China may have "stolen" some of that from Apple is nearly a given IMHO.
Pretty much everything you listed is integrated directly into the processor, or is tightly tied to it.
The processor is manufactured in Taiwan not in China by TAiwan semiconductor.
You are probably using Apple Pay which was “copied” from Alipay, a Chinese company, so in fact you are using stolen tech. I guess if a US company does it,it is fine but if it is from a Chinese one is criminal.
China has been blatantly stealing technology and IP for years. Not sure why it's a big revelation now.
Jobs never hide the fact that he took other people ideas and made it better. Palms were the first tochscreen phones and Apple made it better. N9 os was the inspiration for ios and on and on. Apple did exactly the same as other phone makers.
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A rather worrying trait for the guy in charge of the economy, but his history of making unsubstantiated and false claims means that neither the Chinese nor you, dear reader, should pay any attention to anything he says.
Btw, please give us some advice: which court do we go to, if this “copying” or “stealing” were done within in the legal territory of China for products that are not sold here in the US (such as Huawei and Xiaomi iPhone knockoffs)?
China stole tech from Apple?!?! Really?! What tech???