Apple posts detailed roster of first AirPlay 2-equipped TVs

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• Reply 1 of 13

  ElCapitan Posts: 372member

  January 8, 2019 3:07PM

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Usually you can install a large number of applications (many Android based) on these TVs that mirror the most popular apps on ATV. With the addition of the ability to stream both video and audio from Apple devices to them, an ATV suddenly may seem like a product in search for a solution.

  
• Reply 2 of 13

  Roger_Fingas Posts: 148member, editor

  January 8, 2019 3:11PM

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  ElCapitan said:

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Usually you can install a large number of applications (many Android based) on these TVs that mirror the most popular apps on ATV. With the addition of the ability to stream both video and audio from Apple devices to them, an ATV suddenly may seem like a product in search for a solution.

  To a certain extent, but many people will still want to upgrade older TVs, or improve their experience on recent ones. AirPlay is less convenient than picking up a Siri remote and whipping through apps.

  
• Reply 3 of 13

  mike1 Posts: 3,442member

  January 8, 2019 3:30PM

  ElCapitan said:

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Usually you can install a large number of applications (many Android based) on these TVs that mirror the most popular apps on ATV. With the addition of the ability to stream both video and audio from Apple devices to them, an ATV suddenly may seem like a product in search for a solution.

  In reality, the vast majority of people buying new TVs would prefer to access the streaming apps and other features (AirPlay2) through the TV rather than an external device, regardless of the experience.
  

  Therefore, I wouldn't see this affecting Apple TV sales much at all. Long term, what you might see is an "Apple TV" built in to many TVs. This would be great for Apple as it would drive more people to the app store and it would eliminate any perceived need for Apple to get into the TV hardware business. Let the TV companies make TVs with built-in Apple TV functionality.
  
• Reply 4 of 13

  jcs2305 Posts: 1,342member

  January 8, 2019 3:56PM

  mike1 said:

  ElCapitan said:

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Usually you can install a large number of applications (many Android based) on these TVs that mirror the most popular apps on ATV. With the addition of the ability to stream both video and audio from Apple devices to them, an ATV suddenly may seem like a product in search for a solution.

  In reality, the vast majority of people buying new TVs would prefer to access the streaming apps and other features (AirPlay2) through the TV rather than an external device, regardless of the experience.
  

  Therefore, I wouldn't see this affecting Apple TV sales much at all. Long term, what you might see is an "Apple TV" built in to many TVs. This would be great for Apple as it would drive more people to the app store and it would eliminate any perceived need for Apple to get into the TV hardware business. Let the TV companies make TVs with built-in Apple TV functionality.
  

  This is what I was thinking as well..  My TCL 4k tv in the bedroom has Roku built in.. and I have been thinking for a while now how nice it would be if Apple did the same with TV Manufacturers!
  
• Reply 5 of 13

  exceptionhandler Posts: 377member

  January 8, 2019 4:16PM

  I personally don’t like smart TVs.  I’d prefer a dumb tv and I’ll bring my own set top and/or receiver.  If I ever get a “smart” tv, I’ll disable whatever I can and keep it off the network.  I just don’t trust the software on these race to the bottom devices.

  
• Reply 6 of 13

  ElCapitan Posts: 372member

  January 8, 2019 4:35PM

  exceptionhandler said:

  I personally don’t like smart TVs.  I’d prefer a dumb tv and I’ll bring my own set top and/or receiver.  If I ever get a “smart” tv, I’ll disable whatever I can and keep it off the network.  I just don’t trust the software on these race to the bottom devices.

  I agree with you on that, but most folks probably would rather go for the most spec-ed TV, and then find less reason to fork out some more for an ATV.
  
  There is also the TV salesman to contend with as he probably has a brand bonus for selling you the top notch TV models, but he won't get a dollar for adding the ATV cause that's the "hold your nose" Apple sales person over there...
• Reply 7 of 13

  anantksundaram Posts: 20,411member

  January 8, 2019 5:03PM

  ElCapitan said:

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Clearly the answer is "yes."
  
  AppleTV became an increasingly mediocre, pointless product. Pretty much everything it does/did has been slowly, steadily competed away. Indeed, many competitors offerings give you much more (e.g., Roku with a $29.99 product that has an Xfinity app which allowed me to return the two additional cable boxes I had, thereby saving me $240/per year).
  
  It was only a matter of time that Apple woke up and smelled the roses. Such a wasted opportunity. (Siri might be headed in the same direction).

  
• Reply 8 of 13

  dv8or Posts: 26member

  January 8, 2019 5:19PM

  Presumably this means that one should be able to use HomePods for normal tv viewing as opposed to just viewing Apple tv? Anyone know?
  
  

  
  

• Reply 9 of 13

  canukstorm Posts: 2,742member

  January 8, 2019 5:45PM

  anantksundaram said:

  ElCapitan said:

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Clearly the answer is "yes."
  
  AppleTV became an increasingly mediocre, pointless product. Pretty much everything it does/did has been slowly, steadily competed away. Indeed, many competitors offerings give you much more (e.g., Roku with a $29.99 product that has an Xfinity app which allowed me to return the two additional cable boxes I had, thereby saving me $240/per year).
  
  It was only a matter of time that Apple woke up and smelled the roses. Such a wasted opportunity. (Siri might be headed in the same direction).

  Speaking of Roku
  
  "Citron Research took to Twitter today with a decisive message: “ROKU stock is uninvestable now”. Immediately after, the stock plunged nearly 10%. This comes after a tremendous 25% gain just 24 hours prior, when newly released strong Q4 streaming numbers boosted the stock drastically."
  
  "Now that Apple is expanding the capabilities and reach of the iTunes Store alongside previously exclusive features such as AirPlay 2 and Siri support, investors are seeing Roku at a dead-end financially "
  
  https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/roku-stock-apple-deal/
  

  edited January 2019
• Reply 10 of 13

  dewme Posts: 5,763member

  January 8, 2019 7:23PM

  exceptionhandler said:

  I personally don’t like smart TVs.  I’d prefer a dumb tv and I’ll bring my own set top and/or receiver.  If I ever get a “smart” tv, I’ll disable whatever I can and keep it off the network.  I just don’t trust the software on these race to the bottom devices.

  I tend to agree. The deciding factor for me comes down to the question: "What is the expected service life of the primary product or appliance, e.g., TV, versus the expected service life of the add-on feature?" I always cringe when I see those $4000 refrigerators with the giant tablet built into them. My expectation is that the refrigerator itself should last about 10 years. The giant tablet, especially if it is Android based, is probably useful for about 4-5 years, at which point it becomes an outdated and useless appendage, or a giant door wart. This is not to say that built-in add-ons are never a good thing. If the add-on technology is stable, field upgradeable, from a well established and reliable vendor, and more cost effective when integrated it may be worth building it into the product.
  

  
• Reply 11 of 13

  eideard Posts: 428member

  January 8, 2019 10:37PM

  anantksundaram said:

  ElCapitan said:

  Does all these TVs announced with AirPlay2 undermine the market for AppleTV?

  Clearly the answer is "yes."
  
  AppleTV became an increasingly mediocre, pointless product. Pretty much everything it does/did has been slowly, steadily competed away. Indeed, many competitors offerings give you much more (e.g., Roku with a $29.99 product that has an Xfinity app which allowed me to return the two additional cable boxes I had, thereby saving me $240/per year).
  
  It was only a matter of time that Apple woke up and smelled the roses. Such a wasted opportunity. (Siri might be headed in the same direction).

  I follow a few cable cutter forums and we use both Vue and Sling in our extended family. Though the latter two are my prime interest, I can't help but notice the greatest number of complaints involve Roku anything.  At least you're timely exiting Xfinity.  They're headed for a price increase this year as their response to lost customers. About the dumbest tactic I can imagine.
  
  Yes, we have a couple generations of ATV in the compound - including the 4K.  No need for any less secure copycats. Which BTW is why I don't recommend using, activating or allowing separate "smart" features of our TVs on our wifi networks.

  
• Reply 12 of 13

  eideard Posts: 428member

  January 8, 2019 10:41PM

  @anantksundaram
  
  Oops. Thought you left Xfinity altogether.  Enjoy the price increase when it lands. :-]
• Reply 13 of 13

  jcs2305 Posts: 1,342member

  January 10, 2019 1:25PM

  ElCapitan said:

  exceptionhandler said:

  I personally don’t like smart TVs.  I’d prefer a dumb tv and I’ll bring my own set top and/or receiver.  If I ever get a “smart” tv, I’ll disable whatever I can and keep it off the network.  I just don’t trust the software on these race to the bottom devices.

  I agree with you on that, but most folks probably would rather go for the most spec-ed TV, and then find less reason to fork out some more for an ATV.
  
  There is also the TV salesman to contend with as he probably has a brand bonus for selling you the top notch TV models, but he won't get a dollar for adding the ATV cause that's the "hold your nose" Apple sales person over there...

  What store are you buying a TV from that still has salesmen/women that get commission?  I don't understand either of these comments? 
  

  exceptionhandler said:

  I personally don’t like smart TVs.  I’d prefer a dumb tv and I’ll bring my own set top and/or receiver.  If I ever get a “smart” tv, I’ll disable whatever I can and keep it off the network.  I just don’t trust the software on these race to the bottom devices.

  How are all TV's with smart functionality  "Race to the bottom devices" ?  Not trusting the software and passing on that thinking to the actual TV hardware doesn't make sense?  I have one of the last models of Panasonic plasma P50S60.. it has smart functionality (that I don't use ) and top NOTCH picture. This goes for the newer TCL P Series I have in my bedroom. It has Roku built in that I also don't use, but the picture quality is excellent.