1. I use Google search, there is nothing else close 2. I use Google Maps, Apple’s getting better but they’re still 2nd best 3. I use Google Mail, it’s my own domain, I get zero ads (that I haven’t signed up for)
OK technically I get ads, but I don’t see them because they go directly to my Junk folder.
If Google is using my info for ads, I don’t see them because of the ad blocker. Actually, Apple is the cause of my problem with auto play (ads) videos. There is no way to stop the auto play in Safari iOS. I suspect Google payed Apple off...
Who I won’t do business with is Facebook...
Give Patrick Berlinquette’s excellent essay about how Go-ogle tracks your personal information a read. I’ve been reading tech news for a couple of decades now, and he is the only one I’ve seen who’s fleshed out the euphemism “monetizing users’ data” in simple, clear language.
What is it, exactly, that everyone is afraid of Google getting a hold of? You think Google is the only entity in the world that is "spying" (collecting data) on you? Ever go out in public, per chance, or just sit behind your "safe Mac" your whole life? I don't care. I'm a grain of sand on a beach.
BTW Gruber and Rene Richie were talking on the latest episode of The Talk Show about how the so-called anonymization by companies like Google and Facebook is easily circumvented by advertisers and metrics companies who figure out ways to link users to a specific identifying data point, and then create "shadow profiles" of you from there. Fun stuff, kids. You are the product.
What is it, exactly, that everyone is afraid of Google getting a hold of? You think Google is the only entity in the world that is "spying" (collecting data) on you? Ever go out in public, per chance, or just sit behind your "safe Mac" your whole life? I don't care. I'm a grain of sand on a beach.
FaceBook has 29,000 data points on every individual! You really don't see a problem with that?
So one justifies the other? Really? That's like saying getting stabbed is alright because its not as bad as getting shot.
Seriously, who’s dumb enough to use Google spyware on their Mac? 😂
I can think of at least one situation. Mac users that wants to extend the life of their older Macs. For instance, many Macs that are stuck on OSX Lion, are still fully functional for most task, except for one. OSX Lion is stuck on Safari 6.2 and many sites, specially online banking sites, no longer works with such an old browser. (Along with problem playing some YouTube videos.) But if one uses Chrome or Firefox with these older Macs, they can still access most of these site, along with online banking sites and YouTube.
Even though OSX Lion is also now stuck on older versions of Chrome and Firefox, they are still new enough to be supported by most sites, for now. Plus many tech sites don't recommend using Safari 6.2 at all, due to security flaws that has not been patched by Apple and never will be.
I still recommend using Firefox instead of Chrome but I got a feeling web sites support for the version of Firefox that these Macs are stuck now on, will end before their support for the version of Chrome that these Macs are stuck now on. These Macs are over 10 years old and may still be useful online for another several years, but only if one is willing to use Chrome or Firefox, for some or all of their online task.
"and considering the money they're making on it, shouldn't I be getting a share of that? "
We need either a Federal law or even better a Constitutional Amendment that grants every citizen absolute ownership of their personal data. No use of that data without remuneration. No use of SSN without tokenization like Apple Pay or similar. Companies should not be indemnified if they lose the data we have allowed them to use. No enitiy is entitled to our data. They have taken it because no one has stood up and stoppped them.
-Are you talking a cash payment only or is a trade for services rendered OK? -Is profit allowed or are you expecting break-even? -What about the credit bureau's, banks, and other lenders who use your personal data to evaluate you for extending credit? -Would it be OK for you as an employer to do a background check, or for an insurer to check your driving history and accident record?
All these things require that your personal data be stored somewhere. Is signing your agreement to access it sufficient or are you still demanding to be paid in actual money?
A lot of questions are raised by what you think is a simple matter. I look forward to your comment.
There is a big difference between your personal data be stored somewhere with your knowledge, and the same data be sold, and resold, and reresold....... without your knowledge. And as far as I know, Google is not a bank, nor an insurer.......
"and considering the money they're making on it, shouldn't I be getting a share of that? "
We need either a Federal law or even better a Constitutional Amendment that grants every citizen absolute ownership of their personal data. No use of that data without remuneration. No use of SSN without tokenization like Apple Pay or similar. Companies should not be indemnified if they lose the data we have allowed them to use. No enitiy is entitled to our data. They have taken it because no one has stood up and stoppped them.
-Are you talking a cash payment only or is a trade for services rendered OK? -Is profit allowed or are you expecting break-even? -What about the credit bureau's, banks, and other lenders who use your personal data to evaluate you for extending credit? -Would it be OK for you as an employer to do a background check, or for an insurer to check your driving history and accident record?
All these things require that your personal data be stored somewhere. Is signing your agreement to access it sufficient or are you still demanding to be paid in actual money?
A lot of questions are raised by what you think is a simple matter. I look forward to your comment.
There is a big difference between your personal data be stored somewhere with your knowledge, and the same data be sold, and resold, and reresold....... without your knowledge. And as far as I know, Google is not a bank, nor an insurer.......
Nor is Google selling or reselling any of your personal data. No a single byte. But your credit bureau, bank, pharmacy, grocer, credit card provider, and insurer is doing so without your express permission and without notification to you of when a transaction occurs.
Yeah there's a HUGE difference, Google doesn't market personal data. But your cable company does. Your cellphone provider does. Your credit bureaus does. Thousands of data aggregators do. Companies like Oracle and Acxiom and Corelogic do.
Google places ads on behalf of Apple, Grandma's Kitchen, and others large and small. The personal data they may have to make the ads more efficient never leaves them, is never sold and never traded.
So is knowing that your credit card provider is selling/sharing your personal information and purchase history enough to make you stop using or applying for credit/debit cards? Is knowing that insurers are selling/sharing your personal information enough to stop you applying for or using insurance policies? Is knowing that your cell carrier is selling/sharing your personal information including location stats enough to stop you from using your iPhone or carrying a cellular device? Is knowing that your TV/internet provider is selling/sharing your personal usage information including programs watched and times viewed enough to stop you from using your cable and/or internet service?
I doubt it. I suggest your concerns are misplaced due to ignorance of what's actually going on, or you're not as concerned about your personal privacy as you play it up to be. If the "action" you've taken is not using Google Search you done essentially nothing to protect or control distribution of it. Google wasn't selling your personal data to begin with.
What is it, exactly, that everyone is afraid of Google getting a hold of? You think Google is the only entity in the world that is "spying" (collecting data) on you? Ever go out in public, per chance, or just sit behind your "safe Mac" your whole life? I don't care. I'm a grain of sand on a beach.
FaceBook has 29,000 data points on every individual! You really don't see a problem with that?
So one justifies the other? Really? That's like saying getting stabbed is alright because its not as bad as getting shot.
Seriously, who’s dumb enough to use Google spyware on their Mac? 😂
I can think of at least one situation. Mac users that wants to extend the life of their older Macs. For instance, many Macs that are stuck on OSX Lion, are still fully functional for most task, except for one. OSX Lion is stuck on Safari 6.2 and many sites, specially online banking sites, no longer works with such an old browser. (Along with problem playing some YouTube videos.) But if one uses Chrome or Firefox with these older Macs, they can still access most of these site, along with online banking sites and YouTube.
Even though OSX Lion is also now stuck on older versions of Chrome and Firefox, they are still new enough to be supported by most sites, for now. Plus many tech sites don't recommend using Safari 6.2 at all, due to security flaws that has not been patched by Apple and never will be.
I still recommend using Firefox instead of Chrome but I got a feeling web sites support for the version of Firefox that these Macs are stuck now on, will end before their support for the version of Chrome that these Macs are stuck now on. These Macs are over 10 years old and may still be useful online for another several years, but only if one is willing to use Chrome or Firefox, for some or all of their online task.
I'm thinking that, at that point, the user should just install Windows on the machine. I know! That's blasphemy -- and defeats the purpose of having a Mac. But, when MacOS becomes an obstacle due to age...
If anyone thinks they are "safe" from snooping sites, ad tracking, and whatever else just by the browser you choose, you're a bit on the delusional side. Regardless of plugins that stop it (and some are really helpful at it) no one is safe.
Get a Raspberry Pi and run something like Pi-Hole on your network with many of the well known block lists. You'll see how much data you're "leaking", not just from browsers, but the apps you use and think are "safe" too.
Seriously, who’s dumb enough to use Google spyware on their Mac? 😂
I can think of at least one situation. Mac users that wants to extend the life of their older Macs. For instance, many Macs that are stuck on OSX Lion, are still fully functional for most task, except for one. OSX Lion is stuck on Safari 6.2 and many sites, specially online banking sites, no longer works with such an old browser. (Along with problem playing some YouTube videos.) But if one uses Chrome or Firefox with these older Macs, they can still access most of these site, along with online banking sites and YouTube.
Even though OSX Lion is also now stuck on older versions of Chrome and Firefox, they are still new enough to be supported by most sites, for now. Plus many tech sites don't recommend using Safari 6.2 at all, due to security flaws that has not been patched by Apple and never will be.
I still recommend using Firefox instead of Chrome but I got a feeling web sites support for the version of Firefox that these Macs are stuck now on, will end before their support for the version of Chrome that these Macs are stuck now on. These Macs are over 10 years old and may still be useful online for another several years, but only if one is willing to use Chrome or Firefox, for some or all of their online task.
I'm thinking that, at that point, the user should just install Windows on the machine. I know! That's blasphemy -- and defeats the purpose of having a Mac. But, when MacOS becomes an obstacle due to age...
Except if the machine is old enough that you can’t update past Lion then it’s probably old enough that you couldn’t use a recent version of windows, either and you’d be stuck with the same problem.
"and considering the money they're making on it, shouldn't I be getting a share of that? "
We need either a Federal law or even better a Constitutional Amendment that grants every citizen absolute ownership of their personal data. No use of that data without remuneration. No use of SSN without tokenization like Apple Pay or similar. Companies should not be indemnified if they lose the data we have allowed them to use. No enitiy is entitled to our data. They have taken it because no one has stood up and stoppped them.
-Are you talking a cash payment only or is a trade for services rendered OK? -Is profit allowed or are you expecting break-even? -What about the credit bureau's, banks, and other lenders who use your personal data to evaluate you for extending credit? -Would it be OK for you as an employer to do a background check, or for an insurer to check your driving history and accident record?
All these things require that your personal data be stored somewhere. Is signing your agreement to access it sufficient or are you still demanding to be paid in actual money?
A lot of questions are raised by what you think is a simple matter. I look forward to your comment.
There is a big difference between your personal data be stored somewhere with your knowledge, and the same data be sold, and resold, and reresold....... without your knowledge. And as far as I know, Google is not a bank, nor an insurer.......
Nor is Google selling or reselling any of your personal data. No a single byte. But your credit bureau, bank, pharmacy, grocer, credit card provider, and insurer is doing so without your express permission and without notification to you of when a transaction occurs.
Yeah there's a HUGE difference, Google doesn't market personal data. But your cable company does. Your cellphone provider does. Your credit bureaus does. Thousands of data aggregators do. Companies like Oracle and Acxiom and Corelogic do.
Google places ads on behalf of Apple, Grandma's Kitchen, and others large and small. The personal data they may have to make the ads more efficient never leaves them, is never sold and never traded.
So is knowing that your credit card provider is selling/sharing your personal information and purchase history enough to make you stop using or applying for credit/debit cards? Is knowing that insurers are selling/sharing your personal information enough to stop you applying for or using insurance policies? Is knowing that your cell carrier is selling/sharing your personal information including location stats enough to stop you from using your iPhone or carrying a cellular device? Is knowing that your TV/internet provider is selling/sharing your personal usage information including programs watched and times viewed enough to stop you from using your cable and/or internet service?
I doubt it. I suggest your concerns are misplaced due to ignorance of what's actually going on, or you're not as concerned about your personal privacy as you play it up to be. If the "action" you've taken is not using Google Search you done essentially nothing to protect or control distribution of it. Google wasn't selling your personal data to begin with.
What are you talking man? Google’s business model is selling your personal data. Thanks to you, they got their money
"and considering the money they're making on it, shouldn't I be getting a share of that? "
We need either a Federal law or even better a Constitutional Amendment that grants every citizen absolute ownership of their personal data. No use of that data without remuneration. No use of SSN without tokenization like Apple Pay or similar. Companies should not be indemnified if they lose the data we have allowed them to use. No enitiy is entitled to our data. They have taken it because no one has stood up and stoppped them.
-Are you talking a cash payment only or is a trade for services rendered OK? -Is profit allowed or are you expecting break-even? -What about the credit bureau's, banks, and other lenders who use your personal data to evaluate you for extending credit? -Would it be OK for you as an employer to do a background check, or for an insurer to check your driving history and accident record?
All these things require that your personal data be stored somewhere. Is signing your agreement to access it sufficient or are you still demanding to be paid in actual money?
A lot of questions are raised by what you think is a simple matter. I look forward to your comment.
There is a big difference between your personal data be stored somewhere with your knowledge, and the same data be sold, and resold, and reresold....... without your knowledge. And as far as I know, Google is not a bank, nor an insurer.......
Nor is Google selling or reselling any of your personal data. No a single byte. But your credit bureau, bank, pharmacy, grocer, credit card provider, and insurer is doing so without your express permission and without notification to you of when a transaction occurs.
Yeah there's a HUGE difference, Google doesn't market personal data. But your cable company does. Your cellphone provider does. Your credit bureaus does. Thousands of data aggregators do. Companies like Oracle and Acxiom and Corelogic do.
Google places ads on behalf of Apple, Grandma's Kitchen, and others large and small. The personal data they may have to make the ads more efficient never leaves them, is never sold and never traded.
So is knowing that your credit card provider is selling/sharing your personal information and purchase history enough to make you stop using or applying for credit/debit cards? Is knowing that insurers are selling/sharing your personal information enough to stop you applying for or using insurance policies? Is knowing that your cell carrier is selling/sharing your personal information including location stats enough to stop you from using your iPhone or carrying a cellular device? Is knowing that your TV/internet provider is selling/sharing your personal usage information including programs watched and times viewed enough to stop you from using your cable and/or internet service?
I doubt it. I suggest your concerns are misplaced due to ignorance of what's actually going on, or you're not as concerned about your personal privacy as you play it up to be. If the "action" you've taken is not using Google Search you done essentially nothing to protect or control distribution of it. Google wasn't selling your personal data to begin with.
What are you talking man? Google’s business model is selling your personal data. Thanks to you, they got their money
No, Google's business model is selling advertisements. If you are an advertiser that makes use of Google, you ask Google to send the ads to e.g. males between 20 and 40 years old living in a large city. Google will target your ad to people matching these requirements, but you'll never get any personal data about the targeted audience or the people which actually clicked the ad. I've bought several ad campaigns from Google and I never got any data.
Google collects a lot of personal data but the data does not leave Google. In the case of Facebook this is a different story.
Seriously, who’s dumb enough to use Google spyware on their Mac? 😂
And if you need Chrome installed just use Chromium. It’s the open source base Chrome is built on. It’s missing all of Google’s tracking junk.
Please explain why any Mac user would “need” Chrome to be installed.
I thought the same, but previous posts pointed out the possibility of needing it for an employer or having such an old version of MacOS that Safari would not run on some websites. Or I have friends who simply don't understand and want to use "Google". Except for the employer mandate thing, none of them are good reasons -- just reasons.
"and considering the money they're making on it, shouldn't I be getting a share of that? "
We need either a Federal law or even better a Constitutional Amendment that grants every citizen absolute ownership of their personal data. No use of that data without remuneration. No use of SSN without tokenization like Apple Pay or similar. Companies should not be indemnified if they lose the data we have allowed them to use. No enitiy is entitled to our data. They have taken it because no one has stood up and stoppped them.
-Are you talking a cash payment only or is a trade for services rendered OK? -Is profit allowed or are you expecting break-even? -What about the credit bureau's, banks, and other lenders who use your personal data to evaluate you for extending credit? -Would it be OK for you as an employer to do a background check, or for an insurer to check your driving history and accident record?
All these things require that your personal data be stored somewhere. Is signing your agreement to access it sufficient or are you still demanding to be paid in actual money?
A lot of questions are raised by what you think is a simple matter. I look forward to your comment.
There is a big difference between your personal data be stored somewhere with your knowledge, and the same data be sold, and resold, and reresold....... without your knowledge. And as far as I know, Google is not a bank, nor an insurer.......
Nor is Google selling or reselling any of your personal data. No a single byte. But your credit bureau, bank, pharmacy, grocer, credit card provider, and insurer is doing so without your express permission and without notification to you of when a transaction occurs.
Yeah there's a HUGE difference, Google doesn't market personal data. But your cable company does. Your cellphone provider does. Your credit bureaus does. Thousands of data aggregators do. Companies like Oracle and Acxiom and Corelogic do.
Google places ads on behalf of Apple, Grandma's Kitchen, and others large and small. The personal data they may have to make the ads more efficient never leaves them, is never sold and never traded.
So is knowing that your credit card provider is selling/sharing your personal information and purchase history enough to make you stop using or applying for credit/debit cards? Is knowing that insurers are selling/sharing your personal information enough to stop you applying for or using insurance policies? Is knowing that your cell carrier is selling/sharing your personal information including location stats enough to stop you from using your iPhone or carrying a cellular device? Is knowing that your TV/internet provider is selling/sharing your personal usage information including programs watched and times viewed enough to stop you from using your cable and/or internet service?
I doubt it. I suggest your concerns are misplaced due to ignorance of what's actually going on, or you're not as concerned about your personal privacy as you play it up to be. If the "action" you've taken is not using Google Search you done essentially nothing to protect or control distribution of it. Google wasn't selling your personal data to begin with.
What are you talking man? Google’s business model is selling your personal data. Thanks to you, they got their money
Ah Grasshopper, you are so young and have been so mislead.
Seriously...nothing is more entertaining than reading these conversations about who is "selling" more of your data. Name a tech company that sells more ACTUAL personal data than your bank and the financial institutions behind every credit card you've ever swiped. Have you ever opened a bank account or used a credit and/or debit card? Congratulations...you can stop claiming to be concerned about about how much personal data Facebook and Google have "sold" about you.
What is it, exactly, that everyone is afraid of Google getting a hold of? You think Google is the only entity in the world that is "spying" (collecting data) on you? Ever go out in public, per chance, or just sit behind your "safe Mac" your whole life? I don't care. I'm a grain of sand on a beach.
As if anybody personally cares about their lives. Paranoid freaks.
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Give Patrick Berlinquette’s excellent essay about how Go-ogle tracks your personal information a read. I’ve been reading tech news for a couple of decades now, and he is the only one I’ve seen who’s fleshed out the euphemism “monetizing users’ data” in simple, clear language.
https://medium.com/s/story/the-complete-unauthorized-checklist-of-how-google-tracks-you-3c3abc10781d
There is a big difference between your personal data be stored somewhere with your knowledge, and the same data be sold, and resold, and reresold....... without your knowledge. And as far as I know, Google is not a bank, nor an insurer.......
But your credit bureau, bank, pharmacy, grocer, credit card provider, and insurer is doing so without your express permission and without notification to you of when a transaction occurs.
Yeah there's a HUGE difference, Google doesn't market personal data.
But your cable company does. Your cellphone provider does. Your credit bureaus does. Thousands of data aggregators do. Companies like Oracle and Acxiom and Corelogic do.
Google places ads on behalf of Apple, Grandma's Kitchen, and others large and small. The personal data they may have to make the ads more efficient never leaves them, is never sold and never traded.
So is knowing that your credit card provider is selling/sharing your personal information and purchase history enough to make you stop using or applying for credit/debit cards?
Is knowing that insurers are selling/sharing your personal information enough to stop you applying for or using insurance policies?
Is knowing that your cell carrier is selling/sharing your personal information including location stats enough to stop you from using your iPhone or carrying a cellular device?
Is knowing that your TV/internet provider is selling/sharing your personal usage information including programs watched and times viewed enough to stop you from using your cable and/or internet service?
I doubt it. I suggest your concerns are misplaced due to ignorance of what's actually going on, or you're not as concerned about your personal privacy as you play it up to be. If the "action" you've taken is not using Google Search you done essentially nothing to protect or control distribution of it. Google wasn't selling your personal data to begin with.
Get a Raspberry Pi and run something like Pi-Hole on your network with many of the well known block lists. You'll see how much data you're "leaking", not just from browsers, but the apps you use and think are "safe" too.
See my earlier post - there’s a web site I’m required to use for work that requires either Internet Explorer or chrome.
What are you talking man? Google’s business model is selling your personal data. Thanks to you, they got their money