Amorph seem to be hoping for a Cube II with 970 cpu and expansion through external boxes. External boxes as mode of expansion brings back the memory of the 6100/60
1.The video connector incompatible with Apple computers, this in combination with a VGA monitor forced me to use two adapors in series resulting in a footlong rod behind the computer that would not bend
2.Crummy nubus. I needed both a nubus riser adapor and to move the HD to the CD bay to have room for the frame grabber card.
3.Thus an external CDROM
4. External HD
5. External ZIP drive
6. External HD number 2
The rat nest I had of computer, monitor, 4 external boxes, 6 power cords and so on learned me one thing. Either get a computer that I newer upgrade or one that can fit the upgrades on the inside.
What ever marked the Cube&flatpanel monitor had wedged between the towers and the CRT iMac has been reduced by the introduction flat panel iMac
Amorph seem to be hoping for a Cube II with 970 cpu and expansion through external boxes. External boxes as mode of expansion brings back the memory of the 6100/60
1.The video connector incompatible with Apple computers, this in combination with a VGA monitor forced me to use two adapors in series resulting in a footlong rod behind the computer that would not bend
2.Crummy nubus. I needed both a nubus riser adapor and to move the HD to the CD bay to have room for the frame grabber card.
3.Thus an external CDROM
4. External HD
5. External ZIP drive
6. External HD number 2
The rat nest I had of computer, monitor, 4 external boxes, 6 power cords and so on learned me one thing. Either get a computer that I newer upgrade or one that can fit the upgrades on the inside.
In other words, Apple didn't get it right with the 6100.
Those all look like soluble problems. Slot-wise, Apple's on the industry-standard bus right now, and I can't imagine a PowerMac incompatible with an Apple monitor coming out of Cupertino these days. That certainly was not a problem with the Cube. As to the rest: In my post I mentioned a carriage for internal drives, so that you could have a nice box with, say, two 5.25 inch and three 3.5 inch bays, and stick in whatever you prefer. One plug would suffice for all of them. It would be like a little SAN. A similar chassis would suffice for PCI, so that you wouldn't have to get the more expensive FW peripherals if you didn't want to.
And, of course, you could buy multiple CPUs and cluster them together without all the additional space and noise of a second tower.
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What ever marked the Cube&flatpanel monitor had wedged between the towers and the CRT iMac has been reduced by the introduction flat panel iMac
Exactly. Which is why I'm positioning this as a replacement for the PowerMac. The only way I can see to make this work is to have the base machine address one market (small, quiet, powerful machine with large-monitor and multiple-monitor capabilities), and handle the market that needs internal expansion with additional hardware. If the additional hardware hooked up with FireWire, it might allow PowerBooks — and iMacs, in a pinch — to be used as full-blown workstations as well.
Perhaps actual, honest-to-goodness towers could take up the very high end.
DAMN YOU AMORPH!!! Towers for everyone! Vive la revolucion!
Though what you propose isn't too bad. I'd rather see a cube replace the eMac at the same prices as the iMac, and offer consumers a choice. Integrated LCD or headless, expandable, slightly faster, machines (w/o monitor.)
There's no point to the eMac/iMac. By not integrating that huge 17" tube Apple could make a small box that takes standard expansion cards and make it cheaper than the current eMac. Those two models should shadow each other and provide the consumer with some choice. The AIO market is virtually completely saturated, it isn't winning new buyers, it's a good option for some people, but most of those people already own them and only b uy more when it comes time to replace them. They need a model that can attract NEW BUYERS, it's pretty obvious what that is.
DAMN YOU AMORPH!!! Towers for everyone! Vive la revolucion!
But that isn't the revolution, comrade, it's the status quo. DOWN WITH THE STATUS QUO!
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There's no point to the eMac/iMac.
Tell that to the educational market, which has been demanding large, sturdy monoliths from Apple for years now. Remember the "molar" PowerMac G3 and the big educational Performa? There is a real demand within that market for small-footprint, childproof machines with CRTs (LCDs are considered fragile and expensive).
And, as I've said, my computerphobic mom loves the way her iMac CRT just tucks itself attractively and unobtrusively into a corner and runs silently.
Yeah, I didn't mean that AIO's are completely pointless, but there's no need for two of them. I doubt schools worry too much about the fragility of LCD's, I see more and more labs filled with 15 and 17" DELL LCD panels. It's a cost thing, how long can the CRT hang on? But anyway, I think one AIO model is enough and that if the intention of a second consumer/business/edu model is that it reach more potential customers, then something in the cube/headless/Shuttle vein is in order.
In such an arrangement, onw could see DP towers strecthing from 1500-3500 and a CHOICE of SP eCube/iMac from 899/999-1500/1600.
There's just no way that there would be any cannibalizing (as people so foolishly put it)
Want power and expansion? Buy PM
Want a simple idiot proof AIO? Buy iMac
Want features and flexibility at a decent price without the need for the ultimate high end DP power? Buy an eCube
PS, did you format my quote (bold italics etc etc) or does vBulletin do this automagically? If so, nice.
PPC 970, 5.1 sound-output, 1 8x AGP slot, speed-ass bus, no PCI (One if there's room, which there isnt. Neither the need, since superior sound has been adressed) = Me and my brother takes one each, we're hardcore gamers and mac addicts.
Yeah, I didn't mean that AIO's are completely pointless, but there's no need for two of them. I doubt schools worry too much about the fragility of LCD's, I see more and more labs filled with 15 and 17" DELL LCD panels.
In K-12 schools? If so, they'll learn better before long.
The iMac CRT is pointless long term, but for now it's a way for Apple to offer a sub-$500 (in large quantities!) machine to educational customers.
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PS, did you format my quote (bold italics etc etc) or does vBulletin do this automagically? If so, nice.
I formatted it manually, although I have a sneaking suspicion that vB handles nested formatting tags much more sanely than UBB did...
[hillbilly] This here newfangled vBulletin thang is prreeetty spankin cool! [Hillbilly/]
Yes, yes... that's enough.
If Apple pulls some "G4 DP 1.67ghz" thing, that will be too bad for them. But I am confident that Al will have enough wits too help Apple... I mentioned something in the NAB thread about this, but it is quite strange that FC Pro 4 is rumored to come out prior to the 970, considering that FC Pro is gonna be a killer app on a 64 bit Mac. Just food for thought...albeit off-subject muchies.
EDIT: AL GORE, not Apple Insider. Al and AI look a lot the same...8)
"Analysis: Interestingly, MacBidouille reports that Apple will make display models of PPC 970 Macs available at the time of introduction, although orders will not be filled for 6-8 weeks. Generally, display models are usually available only when a model is in stock. This may represent a slightly different approach by Apple, as consumers generally wait weeks for new models to arrive after they've ordered. Anything is better than anticipation - and no fulfillment."
When they say "display models", do they mean models you can try out in an Apple-store, or models they will show developers at WWDC?
Wouldn?t it cannibalize PowerMac sales, if you could feel the power of the brand new PowerMac, but couldn?t buy or order one for another 6 to 8 weeks? If they do this, they can wave G4 PowerMacs sales goodbye.
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1.The video connector incompatible with Apple computers, this in combination with a VGA monitor forced me to use two adapors in series resulting in a footlong rod behind the computer that would not bend
2.Crummy nubus. I needed both a nubus riser adapor and to move the HD to the CD bay to have room for the frame grabber card.
3.Thus an external CDROM
4. External HD
5. External ZIP drive
6. External HD number 2
The rat nest I had of computer, monitor, 4 external boxes, 6 power cords and so on learned me one thing. Either get a computer that I newer upgrade or one that can fit the upgrades on the inside.
What ever marked the Cube&flatpanel monitor had wedged between the towers and the CRT iMac has been reduced by the introduction flat panel iMac
Originally posted by DrBoar
Amorph seem to be hoping for a Cube II with 970 cpu and expansion through external boxes. External boxes as mode of expansion brings back the memory of the 6100/60
1.The video connector incompatible with Apple computers, this in combination with a VGA monitor forced me to use two adapors in series resulting in a footlong rod behind the computer that would not bend
2.Crummy nubus. I needed both a nubus riser adapor and to move the HD to the CD bay to have room for the frame grabber card.
3.Thus an external CDROM
4. External HD
5. External ZIP drive
6. External HD number 2
The rat nest I had of computer, monitor, 4 external boxes, 6 power cords and so on learned me one thing. Either get a computer that I newer upgrade or one that can fit the upgrades on the inside.
In other words, Apple didn't get it right with the 6100.
Those all look like soluble problems. Slot-wise, Apple's on the industry-standard bus right now, and I can't imagine a PowerMac incompatible with an Apple monitor coming out of Cupertino these days. That certainly was not a problem with the Cube. As to the rest: In my post I mentioned a carriage for internal drives, so that you could have a nice box with, say, two 5.25 inch and three 3.5 inch bays, and stick in whatever you prefer. One plug would suffice for all of them. It would be like a little SAN. A similar chassis would suffice for PCI, so that you wouldn't have to get the more expensive FW peripherals if you didn't want to.
And, of course, you could buy multiple CPUs and cluster them together without all the additional space and noise of a second tower.
What ever marked the Cube&flatpanel monitor had wedged between the towers and the CRT iMac has been reduced by the introduction flat panel iMac
Exactly. Which is why I'm positioning this as a replacement for the PowerMac. The only way I can see to make this work is to have the base machine address one market (small, quiet, powerful machine with large-monitor and multiple-monitor capabilities), and handle the market that needs internal expansion with additional hardware. If the additional hardware hooked up with FireWire, it might allow PowerBooks — and iMacs, in a pinch — to be used as full-blown workstations as well.
Perhaps actual, honest-to-goodness towers could take up the very high end.
Though what you propose isn't too bad. I'd rather see a cube replace the eMac at the same prices as the iMac, and offer consumers a choice. Integrated LCD or headless, expandable, slightly faster, machines (w/o monitor.)
There's no point to the eMac/iMac. By not integrating that huge 17" tube Apple could make a small box that takes standard expansion cards and make it cheaper than the current eMac. Those two models should shadow each other and provide the consumer with some choice. The AIO market is virtually completely saturated, it isn't winning new buyers, it's a good option for some people, but most of those people already own them and only b uy more when it comes time to replace them. They need a model that can attract NEW BUYERS, it's pretty obvious what that is.
Originally posted by Matsu
DAMN YOU AMORPH!!! Towers for everyone! Vive la revolucion!
But that isn't the revolution, comrade, it's the status quo. DOWN WITH THE STATUS QUO!
There's no point to the eMac/iMac.
Tell that to the educational market, which has been demanding large, sturdy monoliths from Apple for years now. Remember the "molar" PowerMac G3 and the big educational Performa? There is a real demand within that market for small-footprint, childproof machines with CRTs (LCDs are considered fragile and expensive).
And, as I've said, my computerphobic mom loves the way her iMac CRT just tucks itself attractively and unobtrusively into a corner and runs silently.
In such an arrangement, onw could see DP towers strecthing from 1500-3500 and a CHOICE of SP eCube/iMac from 899/999-1500/1600.
There's just no way that there would be any cannibalizing (as people so foolishly put it)
Want power and expansion? Buy PM
Want a simple idiot proof AIO? Buy iMac
Want features and flexibility at a decent price without the need for the ultimate high end DP power? Buy an eCube
PS, did you format my quote (bold italics etc etc) or does vBulletin do this automagically? If so, nice.
Amorph seem to be hoping for a Cube II with 970 cpu
He's not the only one!!!
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
He's not the only one!!!
Lemon Bon Bon
He certainly isnt...
PPC 970, 5.1 sound-output, 1 8x AGP slot, speed-ass bus, no PCI (One if there's room, which there isnt. Neither the need, since superior sound has been adressed) = Me and my brother takes one each, we're hardcore gamers and mac addicts.
Originally posted by Matsu
Yeah, I didn't mean that AIO's are completely pointless, but there's no need for two of them. I doubt schools worry too much about the fragility of LCD's, I see more and more labs filled with 15 and 17" DELL LCD panels.
In K-12 schools? If so, they'll learn better before long.
The iMac CRT is pointless long term, but for now it's a way for Apple to offer a sub-$500 (in large quantities!) machine to educational customers.
PS, did you format my quote (bold italics etc etc) or does vBulletin do this automagically? If so, nice.
I formatted it manually, although I have a sneaking suspicion that vB handles nested formatting tags much more sanely than UBB did...
Yes, yes...
If Apple pulls some "G4 DP 1.67ghz" thing, that will be too bad for them. But I am confident that Al will have enough wits too help Apple...
EDIT: AL GORE, not Apple Insider. Al and AI look a lot the same...8)
Originally posted by Placebo
Don't worry, children!This is os10geek in disguise!
What, you don't think saying the exact same thing in your first 3 posts and the blatant overuse of smilies wouldn't have tipped us off?
More rumors. From IGM: PowerPC 970 Macs - DP 2.3GHz, SP 1.8, 1.4GHz
http://www.insanelygreatmac.com/news.php?id=1880
Originally posted by NETROMac
First post
More rumors. From IGM: PowerPC 970 Macs - DP 2.3GHz, SP 1.8, 1.4GHz
http://www.insanelygreatmac.com/news.php?id=1880
Dual 2.3Ghz?? That would be SWEET. But that machine would be hotter than the 4th of July!
Apple would take the performance crown this year with that top end machine.
PowerPC 970 Macs -
DP 2.3GHz 1195--1343
SP 1.8 GHz 937--1051
SP1.4GHz 739--817
MOT G4 does:
@ 1.4 GHz 418--248
and
Pentium IV
@ 3.06 GHz 1032--1092
A new low end on par with the current top of the line in SMP int and way better in everyting else. And a high end that is pentium killer
The Midrange does look like the odd man out. Pretty good with performance like a 2.8 GHz P4 but not really much better than a 1.4
SP 1.4 DP 1.4 and DP 2.3 would be sweeter
Any news about a post G4 CPU is good news
SP 1.8 GHz 937--1051
SP1.4GHz 739--817
Fast = 1.2
Faster = 1.4
Ultimate = 1.4 plus loads of ram, bigger HD and superdrive
Originally posted by NETROMac
More rumors. From IGM: PowerPC 970 Macs - DP 2.3GHz, SP 1.8, 1.4GHz
Seems kind of a wide range of speeds.
Originally posted by Nitzer
Seems kind of a wide range of speeds.
I would have thought that
SP 1.4
SP 1.8
DP 1.8
DP 2.3
would be a more Apple-consistent lineup
It wouldn't invalidate whats been suggested.
My real question is what else is going on the board
2 x FW800?
Serial ATA?
Dolby 5.1?
Optical Audio Out?
Quantum Torpedos?
Originally posted by Nitzer
Seems kind of a wide range of speeds.
Actually, the original Macbidouille report stated single 1.3 Ghz, and not 1.4 Ghz.
That makes the diffrence a bit larger..
"Analysis: Interestingly, MacBidouille reports that Apple will make display models of PPC 970 Macs available at the time of introduction, although orders will not be filled for 6-8 weeks. Generally, display models are usually available only when a model is in stock. This may represent a slightly different approach by Apple, as consumers generally wait weeks for new models to arrive after they've ordered. Anything is better than anticipation - and no fulfillment."
When they say "display models", do they mean models you can try out in an Apple-store, or models they will show developers at WWDC?
Wouldn?t it cannibalize PowerMac sales, if you could feel the power of the brand new PowerMac, but couldn?t buy or order one for another 6 to 8 weeks? If they do this, they can wave G4 PowerMacs sales goodbye.