Apple TV+ review: 'See' is no 'Game of Thrones'

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  • Reply 21 of 66
    "Each first-season episode was written by English screenwriter Steven Knight (Eastern Promises and Peaky Blinders)"

    I am all in!  I'm ready for the bloody violence and quiet, reluctant hero. 

    See, like three of the other debut shows, has been renewed already for a second season, although The Hollywood Reporter revealed recently that a different creative team will be running the series going forward -- and we think this is a good thing.

    It continues the trend, with the new Apple TV+ shows, that the series with an entrenched creator are more successful out of the gate than those without one.

    Huh?  So it's good that they are changing the creative team but shows that don't change creative teams are more successful?  Color me confused.
    edited October 2019 15ngcs1
  • Reply 22 of 66
    I agree with another comment above, too much comparison to GoT but this has been the trend no matter what reviews you read about a much hyped TV release. It appears GoT is the gold standard that all of these newly released TV shows will be compared to. When expectations are that high you can end up missing out on a really good TV show. Case in point: I just recently got done with the first season of Carnival Row on Amazon Prime and that was amazing to me. I really enjoyed it and yet there are no shortages of GoT comparisons by various writers. I guess this trend won't stop until a few years from now.
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  • Reply 23 of 66
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    Kinda sad that the only thing that matters is how the show compares to GoT.  While, of course, that's not the only thing you mentioned, it still was mentioned far too often.  That shouldn't be one of the main factors.

    Is this a Game of Thrones knockoff? If not, I just don't get these reviews/comparisons.

    I'll want to see this one, but I can see one plot point that I want explained before seeing a single episode.  How can people who can't see tell that a couple of babies, who presumably have the same lack of communication skills that real world babies do, can see?
    Reading books.

    SPOILER ALERT!!

    I'll want to see this one, but I can see one plot point that I want explained before seeing a single episode.  How can people who can't see tell that a couple of babies, who presumably have the same lack of communication skills that real world babies do, can see?
    Reading books.
    That's the part I can't sort out. Who taught them to read?
    Solid question. We don't know yet.

    Ah... spoiler redeemed. More tension.

    AB101 said:
    Bomba.

    Dude it isn't even out yet and you're calling it a bomb? The audience may love it and may be a reason to subscribe for them. Heck YOU might even like it. Can you stop spamming this comment on TV+ Shows?
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  • Reply 24 of 66
    I'll want to see this one, but I can see one plot point that I want explained before seeing a single episode.  How can people who can't see tell that a couple of babies, who presumably have the same lack of communication skills that real world babies do, can see?
    Reading books.
    When was the last time you saw the average baby reading a book?  A couple of the previews I've seen suggest that the adults realize it when the kids are still infants.  Seem far-fetched to me.
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  • Reply 25 of 66
    amarkap said:
    It helps when you base a story (TV series) on a well known and liked book.  

    Apple...there’s thousands of them out there.  Pick one!
    I think I read somewhere that Apple is doing a show on Issac Asimov's Foundation series?  That will be a good one.  Sorry can't fact-check my own post...but I believe I did read that.  Excited.
    You did. It's coming, but not for launch.
    This story, recently updated, seems to imply otherwise.  Am I mis-reading it?

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/09/10/here-are-the-apple-tv-shows-that-you-can-watch-at-launch-and-whats-coming-soon
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 66

    macgui said:
    I'll want to see this one, but I can see one plot point that I want explained before seeing a single episode...
    Huh? You don't think that will be explained as the story unfolds, in due course?? I'm sure if you wait, there will be spoilers all over the 'net to help you cope with viewing.
    I interpreted his comment as "Even though I haven't seen a  single episode I am intrigued by ..." rather than "if this isn't explained I won't watch a single episode."

    I had the same reaction.  If everyone is blind (and has been for generations) it's going to be tough to be good parents to seeing kids.
    Kinda, but I would really like to know that there is an explanation sufficient to suspend my disbelief before seeing it.  If not by the time it's revealed that the kids can actually see, then very shortly thereafter.
  • Reply 27 of 66
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,723administrator
    amarkap said:
    It helps when you base a story (TV series) on a well known and liked book.  

    Apple...there’s thousands of them out there.  Pick one!
    I think I read somewhere that Apple is doing a show on Issac Asimov's Foundation series?  That will be a good one.  Sorry can't fact-check my own post...but I believe I did read that.  Excited.
    You did. It's coming, but not for launch.
    This story, recently updated, seems to imply otherwise.  Am I mis-reading it?

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/09/10/here-are-the-apple-tv-shows-that-you-can-watch-at-launch-and-whats-coming-soon
    "and what's coming soon."
  • Reply 28 of 66
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,071member
    It helps when you base a story (TV series) on a well known and liked book.  

    Apple...there’s thousands of them out there.  Pick one!
    It also helps when you base a story not on a book.  Star Wars, Star Trek, BSG, Friends, CSI, Miami Vice, ER, Hill Street Blues, Lost, Seinfeld, etc., etc.  Sure there are TONS of examples of hits based on prior works, but that's hardly the only path to success.
    It is nearly impossible to convert a well loved book to the screen, and usually such conversions are not faithful to the original premise, which are their greatest sins. The well worn phrase “not as good as the book” exists for a reason.
    edited October 2019 watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 66
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    It helps when you base a story (TV series) on a well known and liked book.  

    Apple...there’s thousands of them out there.  Pick one!
    Aren’t they doing foundation? That would be worth a look. Worth $15M an episode. 

    This couldn’t be - GOT at the end had flying dragons, burning cities and great battles. What could be taking the budget here?
  • Reply 30 of 66
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    entropys said:
    It helps when you base a story (TV series) on a well known and liked book.  

    Apple...there’s thousands of them out there.  Pick one!
    It also helps when you base a story not on a book.  Star Wars, Star Trek, BSG, Friends, CSI, Miami Vice, ER, Hill Street Blues, Lost, Seinfeld, etc., etc.  Sure there are TONS of examples of hits based on prior works, but that's hardly the only path to success.
    It is nearly impossible to convert a well loved book to the screen, and usually such conversions are not faithful to the original premise, which are their greatest sins. The well worn phrase “not as good as the book” exists for a reason.
    They don’t have to be exactly faithful, and of course there are plenty examples of success there in TV and movies. 
  • Reply 31 of 66
    fumi said:
    This sounded utterly lame from the moment Jason Momoa appeared on stage back in the Spring at that Apple Event and asked everyone to close their eyes. Apple will quickly learn that throwing millions of dollars at rubbish will still still give you rubbish. To be honest, I haven't seen a single trailer for anything on AppleTV+ that's made me think Oh, wow. I have to see that.

    HBO's Watchmen is currently the most compelling thing on TV, in my opinion.
    Watchmen is good. But so is Billions (Showtime), Succession (HBO), Ozarks (Netflix), Kidding (Showtime)
    lolliver
  • Reply 32 of 66
    19831983 Posts: 1,225member
    I remember reading that there was a lot of executive interference from Apple, including from Cook himself when it comes to the Apple TV+ shows. It seems to be materializing in all these lackluster upcoming shows! I fear this experiment from Apple is going to be the first of all these upcoming streaming services to flop big time! Unless they manage to really get their act together, and quickly!
    Grayeagle
  • Reply 33 of 66
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,068member
    davgreg said:
    Apple is going to learn and expensive and hard lesson about TV/Movie production- you cannot just throw money at it and succeed.
    They don’t need every show to be a blockbuster.  A few is all Apple needs.

    Isn’t that what Netflix did?  
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  • Reply 34 of 66
    As far as TV+ is concerned, Tim Cook reminds me of Dan Snyder, the owner of the Redskins.  Neither can keep from interfering, and let the people alone who actually have to make the decisions and do the job. 

    Cook needs to worry about iPhones, Macs, Wearables, Security, Privacy, Chinese and Indian Sales, Warren's intention to break up Big Tech, and the R&D programs. IMO, that's more than enough.

    He should leave the TV+ to those who really understand the idiom.

    Just my two cents from a guy who owned one of the first B&W TV sets.
    macplusplus
  • Reply 35 of 66
    I’ve seen the first 2 episodes and all I can say is WOW, is it GOT, No, but it doesn’t need to be. (PS the last season sucked big time in my opinion so much it destroyed the good vibes I had about GOT, it’s that easy to screw up). I was skeptical at first as the given of lost sight seemed a bit to thin, but after 2 episodes I can see this can run much much further then I anticipated. Also a nice one is that there are scenes that I thought would never pass the prudent filter of Apple, but it did ... I like it and it’s a breath of fresh air in the see of to much content, I see the benefit of releasing slow and one by one.
  • Reply 36 of 66
    sreesree Posts: 148member
    My concern with AppleTV+ is not really the quality of the shows, given enough money there will be a few good ones and a few bad ones.
    My question is - 'what does apple bring to the table?'. 

    Apple has always been meticulous is choosing to enter spaces where they can bring something to the table. whether it is wearables, phones, music players, iTunes etc. I don't see anything that apple can do in streaming shows that others can't or don't have the ability to do. I am not convinced this is a great investment.
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  • Reply 37 of 66
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Okay, here’s the deal. There are countless examples of films that were panned by critics that went on to become viewer favorites, even Oscar winners, and make tons of money in spite of what some critic said. That penultimate asshole Rex Reed comes to mind. And when Liberace was asked if he was depressed about the way critics were panning his shows he replied, “Yes, I cry all the way to the bank.” It’s kind of like the Apple critics who live here and constantly trash the company yet Apple stills continues to succeed in spite of their tripe.
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  • Reply 38 of 66
    Apple should have picked up The Expanse from SyFy, but Amazon beat them to the punch!  The show is awesome!  
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  • Reply 39 of 66
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,661member
    1983 said:
    I remember reading that there was a lot of executive interference from Apple, including from Cook himself when it comes to the Apple TV+ shows. It seems to be materializing in all these lackluster upcoming shows! I fear this experiment from Apple is going to be the first of all these upcoming streaming services to flop big time! Unless they manage to really get their act together, and quickly!
    What you’re referring to was a rumor, and one refuted by named sources such as Cue. 
    GrayeagleAppleExposed
  • Reply 40 of 66
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,661member

    Grayeagle said:
    As far as TV+ is concerned, Tim Cook reminds me of Dan Snyder, the owner of the Redskins.  Neither can keep from interfering, and let the people alone who actually have to make the decisions and do the job. 

    Cook needs to worry about iPhones, Macs, Wearables, Security, Privacy, Chinese and Indian Sales, Warren's intention to break up Big Tech, and the R&D programs. IMO, that's more than enough.

    He should leave the TV+ to those who really understand the idiom.

    Just my two cents from a guy who owned one of the first B&W TV sets.
    Care to share just a shred of evidence to back up your absurd claim? 
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