Apple opposing US government intervention in lawsuit against Corellium

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The U.S. Department of Justice is intervening in Apple's copyright lawsuit against cybersecurity company Correllium -- a move that Apple's lawyers are already opposing in court.




Apple filed the lawsuit against Corellium in August 2019, alleging that the security firm's iOS virtualization software infringes on intellectual property. In February, Apple subpoenaed Santander Bank and defense contractor L3Harris Technologies to argue the case.

Now, it appears that the DOJ is asking that Apple's request to depose Corellium cofounder Chirs Wade be delayed. According to Forbes, the government hasn't specified a reason for the holdup, but stated that it wants to know what evidence Apple's lawyers will present before they question Wade.

In a filing Friday opposing the Justice Department motion, Apple's counsel wrote that the evidence included "photographs Apple obtained" that "reveal highly sensitive information about sources and methods related to Apple's internal investigation."

The Cupertino tech giant indicated that it would willingly hand over the evidence to authorities, but wanted assurances that the information would remain confidential. That's something the government hasn't provided yet.

"Apple and the court still do not know whether the government has an actual interest in this action. The government has provided no compelling reason, much less any evidence, to justify the unfair prejudice that would befall Apple as it prepares for dispositive motions and trial," Apple's lawyers wrote.

In Friday's filing, the lawyers published an exhibit showing emails between the DOJ and Apple, suggesting that the Justice Department wants to see Apple's exhibits so that they might "use them to help assess (their) interests in the litigation."

Previously, Corellium cited "national security concerns" with Apple's deposition, and a judge in the case had questioned why the government didn't appear to discuss them. Forbes indicated that the government's interest could be tied to a criminal investigation that isn't directly related to Apple or Corellium.

Back in December, Corellium wrote that it was "deeply disappointed by Apple's persistent demonization of jailbreaking," saying that security researchers rely on jailbreaking software to bolster the defenses of apps.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 16
    ivanhivanh Posts: 597member
    iOS should be sold separately and available for multi-platform installation.
    prismatics
  • Reply 2 of 16
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 1,852member
    ivanh said:
    iOS should be sold separately and available for multi-platform installation.
    That wouldn't work on SO many levels...
    superklotonjbdragonjony0StrangeDaysminicoffeewatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 16
    emoelleremoeller Posts: 531member
    Bank robber claims rights to the cash because his efforts would improve bank security.....
    radarthekatPetrolDavebeeble42jony0minicoffeewatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 16
    georgie01georgie01 Posts: 410member
    ivanh said:
    iOS should be sold separately and available for multi-platform installation.
    Right ... and in the same action would reduce the appeal. iOS does what it does best because it’s a closed, protected, and a controlled system with limited hardware support.
    PetrolDavejbdragonjony0StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 16
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    emoeller said:
    Bank robber claims rights to the cash because his efforts would improve bank security.....
    This isn't a bank robber but rather a company offering solutions to problems that Apple doesn't.    I wouldn't be surprised that the governments interest comes from the ability Corellium offers the government in investigations.   Unfortunately for Apple this capability is needed and the government most likely is looking for a way to protect the capability.
  • Reply 6 of 16
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    georgie01 said:
    ivanh said:
    iOS should be sold separately and available for multi-platform installation.
    Right ... and in the same action would reduce the appeal. iOS does what it does best because it’s a closed, protected, and a controlled system with limited hardware support.
    Which is exactly why the capability that this software offers is needed.
  • Reply 7 of 16
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    My first impression:  The government has some kind of agreement with this company to help them compromise iOS devices and they don’t want to endanger that arrangement.
    GeorgeBMacMplsPjony0boltaruswatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 16
    emoelleremoeller Posts: 531member
    wizard69 said:
    emoeller said:
    Bank robber claims rights to the cash because his efforts would improve bank security.....
    This isn't a bank robber but rather a company offering solutions to problems that Apple doesn't.    I wouldn't be surprised that the governments interest comes from the ability Corellium offers the government in investigations.   Unfortunately for Apple this capability is needed and the government most likely is looking for a way to protect the capability.
    This is an intellectual property case - IP being at the heart of Apple's business model.  It is alleged theft, same as a bank robber.  
    PetrolDavejony0StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 16
    emoeller said:
    wizard69 said:
    emoeller said:
    Bank robber claims rights to the cash because his efforts would improve bank security.....
    This isn't a bank robber but rather a company offering solutions to problems that Apple doesn't.    I wouldn't be surprised that the governments interest comes from the ability Corellium offers the government in investigations.   Unfortunately for Apple this capability is needed and the government most likely is looking for a way to protect the capability.
    This is an intellectual property case - IP being at the heart of Apple's business model.  It is alleged theft, same as a bank robber.  
    Whose name is Robin Hood - protecting the world against oligopolist, supercapitalist corporate autocracies that aberatively became more powerful than states
    superklotonPetrolDave
  • Reply 10 of 16
    rotateleftbyterotateleftbyte Posts: 1,560member
    Whose name is Robin Hood - protecting the world against oligopolist, supercapitalist corporate autocracies that aberatively became more powerful than states
    Even Robin Hood had his secrets. how else did he keep one step ahead of the Sheriff of Nottingham eh?
    Steal them and there is little left.

    PetrolDavewatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 16
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,118member
    My first impression:  The government has some kind of agreement with this company to help them compromise iOS devices and they don’t want to endanger that arrangement.

    With this Justice Department you just know they are protecting their own, likely illegal and illicit, interests here.   Most likely they were benefiting from this company hacking iOS and they don't want to lose that or expose that.

    It's kind of a shame that one cannot trust the Justice Dept to uphold the law much less obey the law.   While we don't know what exactly is going on here, it's a pretty safe bet that it was something shady.
    benji888Oferjony0dave marshStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 16
    benji888benji888 Posts: 133member
    ivanh said:
    iOS should be sold separately and available for multi-platform installation.
    Do you know what an SOC is? The processors in today’s mobile devices are System On a Chip, so, the hardware and software are optimized to work together.

    now windows is sold separately and many years later still has so many issues as a result.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 16
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,504member
    My first impression:  The government has some kind of agreement with this company to help them compromise iOS devices and they don’t want to endanger that arrangement.
    Yeah - that’s my question. Why is the government taking such a big interest in an intellectual property case and what do they have to hide?
    OferSpamSandwichGeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 16
    emoelleremoeller Posts: 531member
    emoeller said:
    wizard69 said:
    emoeller said:
    Bank robber claims rights to the cash because his efforts would improve bank security.....
    This isn't a bank robber but rather a company offering solutions to problems that Apple doesn't.    I wouldn't be surprised that the governments interest comes from the ability Corellium offers the government in investigations.   Unfortunately for Apple this capability is needed and the government most likely is looking for a way to protect the capability.
    This is an intellectual property case - IP being at the heart of Apple's business model.  It is alleged theft, same as a bank robber.  
    Whose name is Robin Hood - protecting the world against oligopolist, supercapitalist corporate autocracies that aberatively became more powerful than states
    Well Robin Hood may NOT have even existed in real life:
    https://www.history.com/topics/british-history/robin-hood

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 16
    boltarusboltarus Posts: 10member
    Whose name is Robin Hood - protecting the world against oligopolist, supercapitalist corporate autocracies that aberatively became more powerful than states

    More like Godzilla vs The Smog Monster.  And The Smog Monster is not your friend.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 16
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,862member
    ivanh said:
    iOS should be sold separately and available for multi-platform installation.
    No, it shouldn’t. Just because you have a grudge against Apple doesn’t mean you to use its products on some other knockoff platform. Get real. 
    GeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
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