Apple makes $1.8 billion in UK, but pays just $8m in tax

Posted:
in General Discussion
Latest financial filings show Apple made only a small tax payment to the UK, and it expects that to be reduced further following subsequent coronavirus costs.

Inside Apple Covent Garden in London
Inside Apple Covent Garden in London


As Apple and other global technology firms face the prospect of new regulations -- which Tim Cook has said he supports -- the latest filings show the company is paying little or no tax in the UK. Its filings to September 2019 show a deferred tax requirement of $8m from annual sales of $1.8 billion, but it may not even pay that much.

According to inews, Apple's annual filing at the UK's Companies House states that it expects this $8m payment "to be reversed during the next financial period."

Apple has responded to criticism of its low contribution to the UK's economy by arguing that it supports the region in other direct ways. "We are very proud of our many contributions across the UK and last year spent over 2 billion [$2.51 billion] with hundreds of suppliers," said a spokesperson.

"Our investment and innovation supports more than 325,000 jobs in the UK and, in addition to our tax contributions, we also think it's important to do more for people and society," continued Apple.

That last point was directed specifically to how the company expects to regain its tax payment because of coronavirus costs since the latest filing. "We focused our attention on supporting the response to Covid-19, making significant financial contributions and donating face masks and shields here in the UK," said Apple.

The inews report was first spotted by 9to5mac.
«1

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 28
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    SpamSandwichwilliamhrazorpiterniefairchild1bloggerblogmacxpressviclauyycaderutterjdwjony0
  • Reply 2 of 28
    rotateleftbyterotateleftbyte Posts: 1,630member
    saying just 'Tax' is a little misleading.
    What Tax is that? i.e What is the name of the tax that they are paying?

    It isn't VAT (20%) on all out purchases
    It isn't Income Tax or N.I. Contributions. These are what all their employees pay (and Apple pays the employer N.I. part)
    It isn't property taxes (Business Rates) on the stores and offices.

    So it must be Corporation Tax which is levied on profits.

    £8M is just taking the p**s. Apple like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Starbucks etc are channelling their [cough][cough] profits to Ireland under some licensing agreement.

    The sooner all of them pay a proper amount of tax on the profits they make in each country without offshoring profits via some licensing agreement the better.

    Naturally, a certain person in DC will rant and rage over this but as many countries around the world are doing the same they won't be able to stop it from happening.
    randominternetpersonAdrian-Morganrazorpitronnforegoneconclusionavon b7elijahgPezajony0
  • Reply 3 of 28
    If they are not doing anything illegal then I don’t see a problem with this.  Apple didn’t write the tax code.  I’d be more concerned if they were throwing money away for no reason.
    williamhrazorpiterniefairchild1Rayz2016SpamSandwichviclauyycaderuttermaltzpscooter63jony0
  • Reply 4 of 28
    saying just 'Tax' is a little misleading.
    What Tax is that? i.e What is the name of the tax that they are paying?

    It isn't VAT (20%) on all out purchases
    It isn't Income Tax or N.I. Contributions. These are what all their employees pay (and Apple pays the employer N.I. part)
    It isn't property taxes (Business Rates) on the stores and offices.

    So it must be Corporation Tax which is levied on profits.

    Exactly.  The UK collects big bucks not accounted for here via the VAT on the sale of every iPhone and Mac in the UK.
    razorpitcat52
  • Reply 5 of 28
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,965member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto 
    Hard sell these days. Government may be the problem, but not for what Ronnie had in mind. Totally Inept and criminally ineffective response to a national crisis. 
    ronn13485jony0FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 6 of 28
    williamhwilliamh Posts: 1,034member

    £8M is just taking the p**s. Apple like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Starbucks etc are channelling their [cough][cough] profits to Ireland under some licensing agreement.
    I guess you're not aware that the European Commission ordered Apple to pay 14 billion Euro in back taxes to Ireland?  (Apple is appealing this decision.)


    Like Apple, I too only paid the taxes that were due.


    razorpitkozchrisSpamSandwichaderutterjony0cat52
  • Reply 7 of 28
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,786member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    By the time he’d been in a few years even Ronald Reagan no longer believed that. That’s Why a few years after he pushed through a huge tax cut, he pushed through the largest tax increase ever at the time. That supply side, libertarian bs has failed every time it’s been tried


    jingoronnCloudTalkinelijahgcaladanianjony0FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 8 of 28
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    Starve your own government if you want, move your residency to a tax haven if you want, just leave the rest of us honest folk be.
    jingomuthuk_vanalingamronnpscooter63FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 9 of 28
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    williamh said:

    £8M is just taking the p**s. Apple like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Starbucks etc are channelling their [cough][cough] profits to Ireland under some licensing agreement.
    I guess you're not aware that the European Commission ordered Apple to pay 14 billion Euro in back taxes to Ireland?  (Apple is appealing this decision.)


    Like Apple, I too only paid the taxes that were due.
    Did you move your residency to an offshore tax haven while working in a different jurisdiction to slip through the cracks between your home and your employer country?  I guess if you didn't then you're a sucker and paid more than you needed to.
    ronnelijahgcaladanian
  • Reply 10 of 28
    DAalseth said:
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    By the time he’d been in a few years even Ronald Reagan no longer believed that. That’s Why a few years after he pushed through a huge tax cut, he pushed through the largest tax increase ever at the time. That supply side, libertarian bs has failed every time it’s been tried


    While he may have politically supported and signed the bill, Congress writes/passes the bill first, and Congress during Reagan's tenure was either under split-party control or simply controlled by Democrats as far I remember.

    Many of the brightest economic minds would also disagree with your last sentence, but this is an Apple fan site, so who cares to get into it :smile: (though I clearly waded into a politically-charged discussion lol)
    razorpitcat52
  • Reply 11 of 28
    jingojingo Posts: 117member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    Puerile anarchistic libertarian rubbish. Do you honestly think we can do without schools, roads, railways, defence, police, courts, prisons, and all the other things that keep our society going? How is all of that going to be paid for in your world? The only way you can make that work is to have everyone be wealthy and live in their own castle with nothing but wasteland in between. A bit like South Africa, or the way in which the USA is heading. Good luck with that.
    ronngatorguyCloudTalkinelijahgPezacaladanianjony0FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 12 of 28
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Since the biggest tax avoiders in the country are also running it, I can’t really get worked up about Apple using any legal means to avoid paying tax. If I could afford their tax experts, I’d do it too. 
    aderutterJWSCjony0
  • Reply 13 of 28
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    Substitute the word "democracy" for "government" in that Reagan quote and you have the real meaning for the Republican party of today. 
    The US isn’t a democracy, genius. It’s a representative republic.
    razorpitlkruppcat52
  • Reply 14 of 28
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,727member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    You would be a very lonely person here in the EU with an opinion like that. 

    Well managed government is definitely the solution to many of our problems. 


    ronnPezamuthuk_vanalingamcaladanianjony0FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 15 of 28
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,765member
    saying just 'Tax' is a little misleading.
    What Tax is that? i.e What is the name of the tax that they are paying?

    It isn't VAT (20%) on all out purchases
    It isn't Income Tax or N.I. Contributions. These are what all their employees pay (and Apple pays the employer N.I. part)
    It isn't property taxes (Business Rates) on the stores and offices.

    So it must be Corporation Tax which is levied on profits.

    £8M is just taking the p**s. Apple like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Starbucks etc are channelling their [cough][cough] profits to Ireland under some licensing agreement.

    The sooner all of them pay a proper amount of tax on the profits they make in each country without offshoring profits via some licensing agreement the better.

    Naturally, a certain person in DC will rant and rage over this but as many countries around the world are doing the same they won't be able to stop it from happening.
    Leaving the EU will mean the single base for a company in Europe that the EU championed (and then complained when companies took advantage of) will be out the window for the UK at least, making tax avoidance much more difficult.
  • Reply 16 of 28
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    I thought companies were taxed on net profits, not gross & certainly not sales revenue. Is that not true for the UK.

    Then again, misinformed assumption isn’t knowledge.
  • Reply 17 of 28
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    saying just 'Tax' is a little misleading.
    What Tax is that? i.e What is the name of the tax that they are paying?

    It isn't VAT (20%) on all out purchases
    It isn't Income Tax or N.I. Contributions. These are what all their employees pay (and Apple pays the employer N.I. part)
    It isn't property taxes (Business Rates) on the stores and offices.

    So it must be Corporation Tax which is levied on profits.

    £8M is just taking the p**s. Apple like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Starbucks etc are channelling their [cough][cough] profits to Ireland under some licensing agreement.

    The sooner all of them pay a proper amount of tax on the profits they make in each country without offshoring profits via some licensing agreement the better.

    Naturally, a certain person in DC will rant and rage over this but as many countries around the world are doing the same they won't be able to stop it from happening.
    So what’s the profit on £1.8bn sales - £2bn costs genius?
  • Reply 18 of 28
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,765member
    mcdave said:
    saying just 'Tax' is a little misleading.
    What Tax is that? i.e What is the name of the tax that they are paying?

    It isn't VAT (20%) on all out purchases
    It isn't Income Tax or N.I. Contributions. These are what all their employees pay (and Apple pays the employer N.I. part)
    It isn't property taxes (Business Rates) on the stores and offices.

    So it must be Corporation Tax which is levied on profits.

    £8M is just taking the p**s. Apple like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Starbucks etc are channelling their [cough][cough] profits to Ireland under some licensing agreement.

    The sooner all of them pay a proper amount of tax on the profits they make in each country without offshoring profits via some licensing agreement the better.

    Naturally, a certain person in DC will rant and rage over this but as many countries around the world are doing the same they won't be able to stop it from happening.
    So what’s the profit on £1.8bn sales - £2bn costs genius?
    You think it costs Apple 11% more to do business in the UK than they make from sales in the UK? In other words you think it cost Apple £1100 for each £999 Macbook sold? Riiiight. Genius.
    gatorguy
  • Reply 19 of 28
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,350member
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto 
    Hard sell these days. Government may be the problem, but not for what Ronnie had in mind. Totally Inept and criminally ineffective response to a national crisis. 
    Not "hard to sell" at all.  It was a brilliant post by Lkrupp, and worthy of deep consideration.  That remains true even if Reagan wasn't a libertarian leaning Republican the likes of Goldwater.  

    Goodness, people.  We pay income taxes, state and federal taxes, sales taxes, local taxes -- so many types of taxes in fact that not a single person on this planet, or corporation, can avoid even half of those.  If a company pays more, you end up paying more when you buy their products!  Seeking lower taxes is no different than being enslaved and seeking freedom.  That truth doesn't undermine the need for taxes either.  Rather, it merely helps us put taxes in perspective.  There are huge benefits to smaller, less overbearing government.  Lower taxes keeps any government in check by We The People.  We really out to consider the good in that, not give up everything we to Big Brother have in hopes of getting everything we need and having the money wisely spent by the wealth redistribution machine.

    Funny, it was President Kennedy, a Democrat, who said, "... ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."  I wish we so-called "freedom" loving Americans could get back to that common goal, where party doesn't matter and we all pretty much understand what's right and what's not.
    cat52FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 20 of 28
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    ronn said:
    ronn said:
    lkrupp said:
    "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem." Ronald Reagan

    The more we can starve the government of income the less destructive it will be for the people. Apple should not pay one penny more in taxes than it absolutely has to. Use every loophole, every legal means to reduce one's tax bill. That should be everyone's personal motto too.
    The same fool that started his 1980 Presidential run with racist dog whistles in Philadelphia, MISS. The same fool that called Social Security and Medicare socialism. Oy vey!

    He was against government, before he was for it:

    "Throughout the years, Social Security has proven to be one of the most successful and popular programs ever established by the Federal Government."
    To a racist, everything looks like racism.
    Projection projection.
    If one is concerned only with issues of race, that person is a racist by definition. Collectivism and all its descendants are also inherently racist.
    cat52elijahg
This discussion has been closed.