Apple asks UK landlords to cut Apple Store rents in half

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Apple has made a request to landlords in the United Kingdom to cut the amount of rent it pays by half and to offer a free rental period, a report claims, with Apple supposedly offering to extend its leases for those who take up its offer.

Regent Street Apple Store, London
Regent Street Apple Store, London


Apple's physical retail outlets in the UK were shut for a number of months due to the COVID-19 pandemic, with all 32 stores in England only being back in service in the country from June 15. The impact of the coronavirus lockdown and social distancing measures has led to Apple attempting to regain some of its lost retail profits, which it is seemingly doing by reducing one of its main store costs.

According to The Times, Apple has been in contact with a number of landlords it deals with for its 38 retail outlets across the country, requesting some changes to their lease agreements in light of the COVID-19 closures.

The changes are said to include a cut in its rent payments of up to 50%, as well as a period of time where it doesn't have to pay rent to the landlords. In exchange for agreeing to the changes, Apple is preparing to extend the leases it has with the landlords for a few more years.

While seemingly a bold move for Apple, the attempt also has the potential to bring it in line with other retailers who are benefiting from low rents, offered by landlords keen to keep shopping centers fully occupied. Landlords also benefit from Apple beyond paying high rents, as the presence of the Apple Store does help increase foot traffic from consumers in the area, which helps sales for other retailers.

It is believed Apple's offer is being provided to landlords in cases where stores have several years left to run on leases, and that landlords are not obligated to make a decision anytime soon.

The request has caused some friction with land owners, however, as Apple's latest quarterly results revealed an 11-percent revenue jump to $59.7 billion. In July, filings in the United Kingdom revealed Apple earned $1.8 billion in revenue in annual sales, but the company only paid $8 million in tax.
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  • Reply 1 of 46
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,890member
    Rent is being cut for companies that are struggling and likely to go under without a cut, clothing stores, grocery stores etc. Apple isn't going to go under: they just reported record revenue while a lot of high street names are making heavy losses (and still paying more than Apple in tax). Even some malls are financially struggling, there's no way they can afford a 50% cut.

    Apple's morals really seem to be in the gutter lately. This is a case of the big guy bullying the little guy. Several companies didn't take the government's furlough subsidy and paid employees out of their own pockets, but from what I've read Apple took the government subsidy despite being barely affected by the lockdowns. For a company I've supported for 25 years, this kind of thing is a big kick in the teeth and incredibly disappointing to read.
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  • Reply 2 of 46
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    Torn on this one. As a share holder I say right one Apple. Pressure them to the lowest point you can get them.

    Yet as someone tired of all the virtue signaling Apple has done over the last 10 years or so I say pay up. These building owners and landlords have families and mouths to feed just as you do.
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  • Reply 3 of 46
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,931member
    razorpit said:
    Torn on this one. As a share holder I say right one Apple. Pressure them to the lowest point you can get them.

    Yet as someone tired of all the virtue signaling Apple has done over the last 10 years or so I say pay up. These building owners and landlords have families and mouths to feed just as you do.
    These building owners and landlords are far more well off than me or you.  Most of them are mega corporations in their own right.  Your sympathies are misplaced.  As far as I know, Apple hasn't lain off or reduced the pay of any retail employees even through store shut downs.
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  • Reply 4 of 46
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,890member
    tundraboy said:
    razorpit said:
    Torn on this one. As a share holder I say right one Apple. Pressure them to the lowest point you can get them.

    Yet as someone tired of all the virtue signaling Apple has done over the last 10 years or so I say pay up. These building owners and landlords have families and mouths to feed just as you do.
    These building owners and landlords are far more well off than me or you.  Most of them are mega corporations in their own right.  Your sympathies are misplaced.  As far as I know, Apple hasn't lain off or reduced the pay of any retail employees even through store shut downs.
    Not all of them. Intu who owns several malls across the UK is about to go bust. And no it hasn't, that's not much kudos since the government is paying for those furloughed workers and Apple is taking those subsidies from the government rather than out of its own pocket like some other profitable businesses - who actually have morals.
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  • Reply 5 of 46
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    elijahg said:
    Rent is being cut for companies that are struggling and likely to go under without a cut, clothing stores, grocery stores etc. Apple isn't going to go under: they just reported record revenue while a lot of high street names are making heavy losses (and still paying more than Apple in tax). Even some malls are financially struggling, there's no way they can afford a 50% cut.

    Apple's morals really seem to be in the gutter lately. This is a case of the big guy bullying the little guy. Several companies didn't take the government's furlough subsidy and paid employees out of their own pockets, but from what I've read Apple took the government subsidy despite being barely affected by the lockdowns. For a company I've supported for 25 years, this kind of thing is a big kick in the teeth and incredibly disappointing to read.
    Such twaddle. Business is business. If you can get concessions from your suppliers (or landlords) that’s what you do. And Apple’s landlords are fabulously wealthy already, no need to worry about them or Apple’s “morals”. Apple is offering to extend leases in return for lower rent. Sounds like a win-win to me.
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  • Reply 6 of 46
    Xedxed Posts: 3,116member
    If other businesses who are surviving just fine through this pandemic are getting cuts to their rent, then I can see why Apple might try. On top of that, Apple's being a anchor store and with so many locations going under and struggling should be able to get into some better locations (if they aren't already in the best locations available in an area). That said, they just made a record amount of profit so it's also laughable and I hope Apple doesn't get a dime off their rent.
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  • Reply 7 of 46
    lkrupp said:
    elijahg said:
    Rent is being cut for companies that are struggling and likely to go under without a cut, clothing stores, grocery stores etc. Apple isn't going to go under: they just reported record revenue while a lot of high street names are making heavy losses (and still paying more than Apple in tax). Even some malls are financially struggling, there's no way they can afford a 50% cut.

    Apple's morals really seem to be in the gutter lately. This is a case of the big guy bullying the little guy. Several companies didn't take the government's furlough subsidy and paid employees out of their own pockets, but from what I've read Apple took the government subsidy despite being barely affected by the lockdowns. For a company I've supported for 25 years, this kind of thing is a big kick in the teeth and incredibly disappointing to read.
    Such twaddle. Business is business. If you can get concessions from your suppliers (or landlords) that’s what you do. And Apple’s landlords are fabulously wealthy already, no need to worry about them or Apple’s “morals”. Apple is offering to extend leases in return for lower rent. Sounds like a win-win to me.
    This attitude ("if you can get concessions...that's what you do") is still a moral choice. Business does not exist in a vacuum.
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  • Reply 8 of 46
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,230member
    It's a reasonable request and you get nothing unless you ask.

    There are business interests on both sides so it will be a game of both sides trying to get the best deal for themselves. Just as it should be.

    That's on a business level. At a 'values' level I'm torn. Given the billions they've had sitting around, it might be hard to swallow seeing them ask for a 50% cut in rents (even with the offer of extended lease terms.)
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  • Reply 9 of 46
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,890member
    lkrupp said:
    elijahg said:
    Rent is being cut for companies that are struggling and likely to go under without a cut, clothing stores, grocery stores etc. Apple isn't going to go under: they just reported record revenue while a lot of high street names are making heavy losses (and still paying more than Apple in tax). Even some malls are financially struggling, there's no way they can afford a 50% cut.

    Apple's morals really seem to be in the gutter lately. This is a case of the big guy bullying the little guy. Several companies didn't take the government's furlough subsidy and paid employees out of their own pockets, but from what I've read Apple took the government subsidy despite being barely affected by the lockdowns. For a company I've supported for 25 years, this kind of thing is a big kick in the teeth and incredibly disappointing to read.
    Such twaddle. Business is business. If you can get concessions from your suppliers (or landlords) that’s what you do. And Apple’s landlords are fabulously wealthy already, no need to worry about them or Apple’s “morals”. Apple is offering to extend leases in return for lower rent. Sounds like a win-win to me.
    Not as fabulously wealthy as Apple. But as evidenced by every last one of your posts, you couldn't care less about morals, your own or Apple's.
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  • Reply 10 of 46
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,890member

    Xed said:
    If other businesses who are surviving just fine through this pandemic are getting cuts to their rent, then I can see why Apple might try. On top of that, Apple's being a anchor store and with so many locations going under and struggling should be able to get into some better locations (if they aren't already in the best locations available in an area). That said, they just made a record amount of profit so it's also laughable and I hope Apple doesn't get a dime off their rent.
    Who says they're all getting cuts? It has only been offered/requested by those who are heading toward bankruptcy generally.
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  • Reply 11 of 46
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    I hope the landlords politely but firmly tell them to do one.
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  • Reply 12 of 46
    Not a good look Apple.
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  • Reply 13 of 46
    dutchlorddutchlord Posts: 302member
    Insane. Apple is in no position to ask for any support or cuts. 
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  • Reply 14 of 46
    seanjseanj Posts: 324member
    tundraboy said:
    These building owners and landlords are far more well off than me or you.  Most of them are mega corporations in their own right. 
    Actually the landlords in many cases are pension funds or the major shareholders of the corporations are pension funds. These funds are there to build up pensions for ordinary working people.
    elijahgrazorpit
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  • Reply 15 of 46
    razorpit said:
    Torn on this one. As a share holder I say right one Apple. Pressure them to the lowest point you can get them.

    Yet as someone tired of all the virtue signaling Apple has done over the last 10 years or so I say pay up. These building owners and landlords have families and mouths to feed just as you do.
    Have you considered Apple Store employees have families and mouths to feed just as landlords and the paychecks to Apple Store employees have not been cut during this pandemic? Also, have you considered how landlords have evicted tenants who cannot pay full rent during this pandemic?
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  • Reply 16 of 46
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    elijahg said:
    lkrupp said:
    elijahg said:
    Rent is being cut for companies that are struggling and likely to go under without a cut, clothing stores, grocery stores etc. Apple isn't going to go under: they just reported record revenue while a lot of high street names are making heavy losses (and still paying more than Apple in tax). Even some malls are financially struggling, there's no way they can afford a 50% cut.

    Apple's morals really seem to be in the gutter lately. This is a case of the big guy bullying the little guy. Several companies didn't take the government's furlough subsidy and paid employees out of their own pockets, but from what I've read Apple took the government subsidy despite being barely affected by the lockdowns. For a company I've supported for 25 years, this kind of thing is a big kick in the teeth and incredibly disappointing to read.
    Such twaddle. Business is business. If you can get concessions from your suppliers (or landlords) that’s what you do. And Apple’s landlords are fabulously wealthy already, no need to worry about them or Apple’s “morals”. Apple is offering to extend leases in return for lower rent. Sounds like a win-win to me.
    Not as fabulously wealthy as Apple. But as evidenced by every last one of your posts, you couldn't care less about morals, your own or Apple’s.
    You would last about five minutes as a business owner before going bankrupt. There is nothing even close to immoral about Apple trying to get a better deal from its landlords. As a landlord I would jump at the prospect of locking in a deal that would keep a tenant in my building for an extended lease and not have to worry about where my next tenant is going to come from. And you can take your moral judgement and shove it where the sun don’t shine. And I’m betting you are a hypocrite in that you will continue to buy and use Apple products even as you condemn them for their moral turpitude. What a jackass.
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  • Reply 17 of 46
    elijahg said:
    tundraboy said:
    razorpit said:
    Torn on this one. As a share holder I say right one Apple. Pressure them to the lowest point you can get them.

    Yet as someone tired of all the virtue signaling Apple has done over the last 10 years or so I say pay up. These building owners and landlords have families and mouths to feed just as you do.
    These building owners and landlords are far more well off than me or you.  Most of them are mega corporations in their own right.  Your sympathies are misplaced.  As far as I know, Apple hasn't lain off or reduced the pay of any retail employees even through store shut downs.
    Not all of them. Intu who owns several malls across the UK is about to go bust. And no it hasn't, that's not much kudos since the government is paying for those furloughed workers and Apple is taking those subsidies from the government rather than out of its own pocket like some other profitable businesses - who actually have morals.
    Are you telling us Apple is taking UK government subsidies to pay for furloughed workers?
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  • Reply 18 of 46
    Xed said:
    If other businesses who are surviving just fine through this pandemic are getting cuts to their rent, then I can see why Apple might try. On top of that, Apple's being a anchor store and with so many locations going under and struggling should be able to get into some better locations (if they aren't already in the best locations available in an area). That said, they just made a record amount of profit so it's also laughable and I hope Apple doesn't get a dime off their rent.
    If Apple decided to permanently close its stores thereby depriving landlords any rent at all and depriving employees any paychecks, I am guessing you would post outrage towards Apple’s actions. Though Apple, in your view of reality, is the villain no matter what it does, you will continue to buy Apple products which, in both our views of reality, makes you a co-villain. 
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  • Reply 19 of 46
    n2macsn2macs Posts: 87member
    Apple also represents many pensions for ordinary working people.
    seanj said:
    tundraboy said:
    These building owners and landlords are far more well off than me or you.  Most of them are mega corporations in their own right. 
    Actually the landlords in many cases are pension funds or the major shareholders of the corporations are pension funds. These funds are there to build up pensions for ordinary working people.

    tundraboy said:
    These building owners and landlords are far more well off than me or you.  Most of them are mega corporations in their own right. 
    Actually the landlords in many cases are pension funds or the major shareholders of the corporations are pension funds. These funds are there to build up pensions for ordinary working people.

    Apple also represents many pensions for ordinary working people.


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  • Reply 20 of 46
    Pezapeza Posts: 198member
    So Apple spends all its time doing virtue signalling, then here in the U.K. they pay less then 8 million tax on nearly 2 billion declared earnings, and they just posted record global earnings for the quarter but they want to cut their rent in half, whilst other stores are struggling to survive and actually pay their full taxes..
    This leaves a very sour taste in the mouth and is enough frankly to put you off Apple and it’s products. It yet again shows it knows no bounds to its endless greed. Apple should be paying 50% more in rent if anything.
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