New York MTA asking Apple for better masked iPhone unlocking with Face ID

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The Metropolitan Transportation Authority has asked Apple to make it easier and faster for users to unlock their iPhones without removing their masks, a problem that Apple has already worked on as part of May's iOS 13.5 update.




The New York MTA has sent a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook about the problems it faces over passengers needing to unlock their iPhones to pay for transportation. As many use iPhones with Face ID, this has led to passengers removing their face masks to be authenticated, risking the spread of COVID-19, according to the letter from MTA chairman Patrick Foye.

"We understand Apple is working to address the issue and know that Apple has a range of technologies at its disposal as a global leader among tech companies," the letter acquired by the Associated Press reads. "We urge Apple to accelerate the deployment of new technologies and solutions that further protect customers in the era of COVID-19."

The MTA is also said to be willing to cooperate with Apple on passenger messaging over the issue.

Apple has already taken steps in iOS 13.5 to mitigate the problem of Face ID failures for mask wearers. As part of its iOS 13.5 update in May, Apple altered Face ID so it quickly moved to the passcode entry screen if a mask is detected, rather than making users wait a few seconds and be tempted to remove the mask temporarily.

It isn't clear if Apple is willing to cut down on Face ID security by only requiring the upper half of the user's face for authentication, as this would reduce the number of data points Face ID has to work with for its checks.

Furthermore, in some situations there's no need to use Face ID at all. Apple's introduction of Apple Pay Express Transit enables iPhone and Apple Watch users to pay for travel in many public transport systems, without needing to unlock their iPhone to process the payment.

Express Transit is functional at selected stations in New York City, so the feature is only partially available on that transport network.
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    williamlondonchemengin1dysamoriaDogpersonelijahg
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  • Reply 2 of 21
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,478member
    Idiots. They really should check before issuing statements.
    Get of your butts and enable Express Transit system wide. Done.

    In the meantime, if the riders can't figure out how to use their pass code quickly, tell them to hold their breath for the half a second they pull down their masks.
    edited August 2020
    williamlondonrazorpitdmdevtokyojimu
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  • Reply 3 of 21
    EsquireCatsesquirecats Posts: 1,268member
    TouchID isn't good with gloves though. Instead NYC just need to catch up to London which has already had express transit enabled for nearly a year. No codes, no touchID, no faceID, no buttons, nothing. Even works for 8 hours after the phone/watch runs out of battery.
    williamlondonrazorpit
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  • Reply 4 of 21
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    beeble42 said:
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    TouchID as never bad. 
    It’s just that FaceID is more secure. 

    In the UK, just choose your express card and you’re good to go, mask or selfish pr*ck no mask. 
    rob53Beatselijahg
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  • Reply 5 of 21
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,351member
    Here we go again. Someone is asking Apple to reduce the security of iPhones. FaceID works by looking at the entire face, not just the spacing of the eyes. If all FaceID has to verify the user is their eye(s) then Apple would need to come up with a different approach, using an iris scanner, which is not as secure as the face scanner.
    razorpit
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  • Reply 6 of 21
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    Rayz2016 said:
    beeble42 said:
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    TouchID as never bad. 
    It’s just that FaceID is more secure. 

    In the UK, just choose your express card and you’re good to go, mask or selfish pr*ck no mask. 
    I think the terms sheeple, and no mask are more appropriate.
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  • Reply 7 of 21
    Why should Apple reduce the security of FaceID just for the MTA?  That doesn't make any sense.  Couldn't people simply use their pin numbers to unlock the iPhone?  Anyway, pulling down a mask for a couple of seconds isn't going to matter much when there are people running around in NYC with no masks. I go to many parks in Queens and most teenagers aren't using any masks and they're playing basketball, racquetball and other athletic activities.  People in NYC are having outdoor CoViD-19 parties and they're doing everything they've been advised not to do to stop the pandemic from spreading.  Those people will be spreading Coronavirus whether FaceID is modified or not.  I hope Apple ignores the MTA request.
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  • Reply 8 of 21
    JFC_PAjfc_pa Posts: 964member
    MTA can recognize Express Transit (they don’t already??, is that even something not simply device specified?)) and then widely publicize that including signage at their bus stops and transit entrances. 

    Apples response should consist of pointing MTA to that feature of the iPhone. Nothing more. 

    The lede was buried: “ Express Transit is functional at selected stations in New York City, so the feature is only partially available on that transport network.”. Do MTA is the problem, not Apple devices. 

    AND it’s irrelevant as if the end of this year. “ A wide rollout [of OMNY Express Transit terminals] to all subway stations and MTA buses is planned for completion by the end of 2020.”
    edited August 2020
    dmdev
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  • Reply 9 of 21
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    razorpit said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    beeble42 said:
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    TouchID as never bad. 
    It’s just that FaceID is more secure. 

    In the UK, just choose your express card and you’re good to go, mask or selfish pr*ck no mask. 
    I think the terms sheeple, and no mask are more appropriate.

    And you’re perfectly self-entitled to think that. 
    edited August 2020
    evilutionelijahgMplsP
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  • Reply 10 of 21
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    JFC_PA said:
    MTA can recognize Express Transit (they don’t already??, is that even something not simply device specified?)) and then widely publicize that including signage at their bus stops and transit entrances. 

    Apples response should consist of pointing MTA to that feature of the iPhone. Nothing more. 

    The lede was buried: “ Express Transit is functional at selected stations in New York City, so the feature is only partially available on that transport network.”. Do MTA is the problem, not Apple devices. 

    AND it’s irrelevant as if the end of this year. “ A wide rollout [of OMNY Express Transit terminals] to all subway stations and MTA buses is planned for completion by the end of 2020.”
    Right, so this is just some guy grasping for a few blog mentions by writing a letter to Tim Cook. 
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  • Reply 11 of 21
    tapetape Posts: 48member
    As part of its iOS 13.5 update in May, Apple altered Face ID so it quickly moved to the passcode entry screen if a mask is detected, rather than making users wait a few seconds and be tempted to remove the mask temporarily. 
    I'm not really sure how or why, but this "update" worked for about two days for me. It's been back to taking 5+ seconds since.
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  • Reply 12 of 21
    Beatsbeats Posts: 3,073member
    Another organization telling Apple what to do with their business.
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  • Reply 13 of 21
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Or people could pay with cash. Problem solved.
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  • Reply 14 of 21
    Face ID gradually learned to identify me with my mask. Mask plus sunglasses, even. Surely I'm not alone in this. 
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  • Reply 15 of 21
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    beeble42 said:
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    It never did. I prefer it. I never wanted FaceID.
    Dogpersonkidrock2199
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  • Reply 16 of 21
    Face ID gradually learned to identify me with my mask. Mask plus sunglasses, even. Surely I'm not alone in this. 
    One could certainly train their Face ID while wearing a mask. But I daresay it would severely weaken the security.
    elijahgdarkvader
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  • Reply 17 of 21
    dysamoria said:
    beeble42 said:
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    It never did. I prefer it. I never wanted FaceID.
    Yep 
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  • Reply 18 of 21
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,107member
    razorpit said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    beeble42 said:
    TouchID isn't looking so bad now.
    TouchID as never bad. 
    It’s just that FaceID is more secure. 

    In the UK, just choose your express card and you’re good to go, mask or selfish pr*ck no mask. 
    I think the terms sheeple, and no mask are more appropriate.
    No, the original terms were correct.

    Face ID gradually learned to identify me with my mask. Mask plus sunglasses, even. Surely I'm not alone in this. 
    mine hasn't; I'm sure the style of mask plays a big role.


    Honestly, is it that tough to just enter your passcode? I do that probably 50 times a day now. Sure it's not quite as convenient but it doesn't take that long.

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  • Reply 19 of 21
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    Funny, I've never had that problem.

    Could be because I've got an iPhone 6s+, though.

    Another win for not having one of the stupid notch phones:  Headphone jack!!!!
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  • Reply 20 of 21
    This whole situation reminds me of Weird Al’s song “First World Problems.”
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