I’m going to upgrade to 12 mini from SE 1st gen which has 1624 mAh battery, so 2227 mAh battery seems generous.
You aren't the only one. I've been hoping for a full-featured small phone since the "SE2" came out. I don't want a phablet in my pocket, I want a compact powerhouse that can do everything the bigger sibling phones can do. They can call it mini, they can call it whatever they want. I've got phone-marks etched into my jeans since the iPhone 5 then SE1 at this size and I'll be damned if I'm changing those marks anytime soon. Maybe I have trump hands, but the ability to reach the entire screen one handed with my thumb is priceless. It is blasphemy to have to put your coffee down to access the screen with two hands. Thanks Apple for actually listening to us for once!
@Anilu_777 is correct - mm wave is meaningless for virtually everyone. The problem is there are presently no other benefits to 5G that the average user will notice in routine use. mmWave speeds give a wow-factor; without that people wouldn’t be willing to pay extra for devices of service. Additionally, as GeorgeB states, there may well be a power cost to 5G. Wouldn’t that be lovely if your battery life dropped 10-15% because of 5G and all you got was a 10% increase in speeds, or worse yet, no benefit.
Quick! You better tell all those companies betting their company and sinking billions of dollars into it that they're wasting their money! And the poor Chinese! They covered their whole country in it!
Such fools! They listened to the experts!
(As for additional power drain, we need information on that. And I've seen very little. Mostly conjecture. But, since 5G involves adding a sophisticated processor then it is reasonable that it could use power faster. But, then so does every other hardware enhancement in an iPhone or Apple Watch. The question is: how much and is does the benefit out weigh the cost? Since you claim that there is no benefit then that equation should be easy for you. But too, there is no one simple answer to that because the benefit will be increasing as providers roll out 5G across the country).
...and what benefits does 5g currently have for smartphone users?...
Watch the Keynote. Or maybe send Tim a message telling him you think he's full of shit.
@Anilu_777 is correct - mm wave is meaningless for virtually everyone. The problem is there are presently no other benefits to 5G that the average user will notice in routine use. mmWave speeds give a wow-factor; without that people wouldn’t be willing to pay extra for devices of service. Additionally, as GeorgeB states, there may well be a power cost to 5G. Wouldn’t that be lovely if your battery life dropped 10-15% because of 5G and all you got was a 10% increase in speeds, or worse yet, no benefit.
Quick! You better tell all those companies betting their company and sinking billions of dollars into it that they're wasting their money! And the poor Chinese! They covered their whole country in it!
Such fools! They listened to the experts!
(As for additional power drain, we need information on that. And I've seen very little. Mostly conjecture. But, since 5G involves adding a sophisticated processor then it is reasonable that it could use power faster. But, then so does every other hardware enhancement in an iPhone or Apple Watch. The question is: how much and is does the benefit out weigh the cost? Since you claim that there is no benefit then that equation should be easy for you. But too, there is no one simple answer to that because the benefit will be increasing as providers roll out 5G across the country).
I doubt the Chinese, or anyone else, is covering their entire country with mm wave 5G. Regular 5G, yes, eventually. But mm? Not a real possibility.
mm-wave? Across the country? Of course not. Did anyone say that or imply that?
Yeh, I know he went on a rant about 'mm-wave being the ONLY benefit of 5G'. But that bullshit was what I was responding to.
@Anilu_777 is correct - mm wave is meaningless for virtually everyone. The problem is there are presently no other benefits to 5G that the average user will notice in routine use. mmWave speeds give a wow-factor; without that people wouldn’t be willing to pay extra for devices of service. Additionally, as GeorgeB states, there may well be a power cost to 5G. Wouldn’t that be lovely if your battery life dropped 10-15% because of 5G and all you got was a 10% increase in speeds, or worse yet, no benefit.
Quick! You better tell all those companies betting their company and sinking billions of dollars into it that they're wasting their money! And the poor Chinese! They covered their whole country in it!
Such fools! They listened to the experts!
(As for additional power drain, we need information on that. And I've seen very little. Mostly conjecture. But, since 5G involves adding a sophisticated processor then it is reasonable that it could use power faster. But, then so does every other hardware enhancement in an iPhone or Apple Watch. The question is: how much and is does the benefit out weigh the cost? Since you claim that there is no benefit then that equation should be easy for you. But too, there is no one simple answer to that because the benefit will be increasing as providers roll out 5G across the country).
...and what benefits does 5g currently have for smartphone users?...
Watch the Keynote. Or maybe send Tim a message telling him you think he's full of shit.
yeah, I did. They kept saying the same things everyone else has said (including you,) and hyped 5G but never said what it was good for. But then neither can you.
@Anilu_777 is correct - mm wave is meaningless for virtually everyone. The problem is there are presently no other benefits to 5G that the average user will notice in routine use. mmWave speeds give a wow-factor; without that people wouldn’t be willing to pay extra for devices of service. Additionally, as GeorgeB states, there may well be a power cost to 5G. Wouldn’t that be lovely if your battery life dropped 10-15% because of 5G and all you got was a 10% increase in speeds, or worse yet, no benefit.
Quick! You better tell all those companies betting their company and sinking billions of dollars into it that they're wasting their money! And the poor Chinese! They covered their whole country in it!
Such fools! They listened to the experts!
(As for additional power drain, we need information on that. And I've seen very little. Mostly conjecture. But, since 5G involves adding a sophisticated processor then it is reasonable that it could use power faster. But, then so does every other hardware enhancement in an iPhone or Apple Watch. The question is: how much and is does the benefit out weigh the cost? Since you claim that there is no benefit then that equation should be easy for you. But too, there is no one simple answer to that because the benefit will be increasing as providers roll out 5G across the country).
...and what benefits does 5g currently have for smartphone users?...
Watch the Keynote. Or maybe send Tim a message telling him you think he's full of shit.
yeah, I did. They kept saying the same things everyone else has said (including you,) and hyped 5G but never said what it was good for. But then neither can you.
Go feed your horse.
These things don't pop out of the womb fully developed and fully grown. Enhancements to communications have been a prime driver of computing since the earliest days of computing because they enable new things that have not previously existed or even been dreamed of by the proletariat. It even caught Steve Jobs by surprise: it's why he insisted on keeping the iPhone small (so you didn't have to hold a brick to your ear) even after it had progressed from being mostly a phone to mostly a computer -- mostly because of advances in communications.
For myself, I'll bet on the history of computing as well as experts from all over the world investing their companies and many billions of dollars into this new technology.
There is no good reason not to reveal the information.
It is a specification and is useful for comparative purposes even if the variables in play make it hard to draw definitive conclusions.
Hmm, we agree. It’s like the old days of the megahertz wars. Different speeds when comparing different processor families wasn’t useful. Battery size isn’t useful either, other than for general size trends.
I guess you disagree with Avon then. He mentioned no good reason NOT to reveal the information.
Doesn’t everyone, usually? It’s not important to give battery size, because it doesn’t directly give you anything useful. If there was a phone you were looking at, that you didn’t know much about, which is true for all new phones, and you knew the battery size, would you be able to tell what the battery life was? No, you wouldn’t. So what’s the big deal here? Apple gives battery life under several different scenarios. That’s what we want. How Apple gets there isn’t important.
besides, realistically, Apple knows that the battery size, just like the amount of RAM, something else they don’t mention, will come out, as it has, even before the phone becomes available. So this entire argument is a waste of our time, and all the digital ink we’ve been spilling over it.
There is no good reason not to reveal the information.
It is a specification and is useful for comparative purposes even if the variables in play make it hard to draw definitive conclusions.
Hmm, we agree. It’s like the old days of the megahertz wars. Different speeds when comparing different processor families wasn’t useful. Battery size isn’t useful either, other than for general size trends.
I guess you disagree with Avon then. He mentioned no good reason NOT to reveal the information.
@Anilu_777 is correct - mm wave is meaningless for virtually everyone. The problem is there are presently no other benefits to 5G that the average user will notice in routine use. mmWave speeds give a wow-factor; without that people wouldn’t be willing to pay extra for devices of service. Additionally, as GeorgeB states, there may well be a power cost to 5G. Wouldn’t that be lovely if your battery life dropped 10-15% because of 5G and all you got was a 10% increase in speeds, or worse yet, no benefit.
Quick! You better tell all those companies betting their company and sinking billions of dollars into it that they're wasting their money! And the poor Chinese! They covered their whole country in it!
Such fools! They listened to the experts!
(As for additional power drain, we need information on that. And I've seen very little. Mostly conjecture. But, since 5G involves adding a sophisticated processor then it is reasonable that it could use power faster. But, then so does every other hardware enhancement in an iPhone or Apple Watch. The question is: how much and is does the benefit out weigh the cost? Since you claim that there is no benefit then that equation should be easy for you. But too, there is no one simple answer to that because the benefit will be increasing as providers roll out 5G across the country).
...and what benefits does 5g currently have for smartphone users?...
Watch the Keynote. Or maybe send Tim a message telling him you think he's full of shit.
yeah, I did. They kept saying the same things everyone else has said (including you,) and hyped 5G but never said what it was good for. But then neither can you.
Go feed your horse.
These things don't pop out of the womb fully developed and fully grown. Enhancements to communications have been a prime driver of computing since the earliest days of computing because they enable new things that have not previously existed or even been dreamed of by the proletariat. It even caught Steve Jobs by surprise: it's why he insisted on keeping the iPhone small (so you didn't have to hold a brick to your ear) even after it had progressed from being mostly a phone to mostly a computer -- mostly because of advances in communications.
For myself, I'll bet on the history of computing as well as experts from all over the world investing their companies and many billions of dollars into this new technology.
I don't have a horse, but thank you for essentially agreeing that there are no current uses for 5G.
@Anilu_777 is correct - mm wave is meaningless for virtually everyone. The problem is there are presently no other benefits to 5G that the average user will notice in routine use. mmWave speeds give a wow-factor; without that people wouldn’t be willing to pay extra for devices of service. Additionally, as GeorgeB states, there may well be a power cost to 5G. Wouldn’t that be lovely if your battery life dropped 10-15% because of 5G and all you got was a 10% increase in speeds, or worse yet, no benefit.
Quick! You better tell all those companies betting their company and sinking billions of dollars into it that they're wasting their money! And the poor Chinese! They covered their whole country in it!
Such fools! They listened to the experts!
(As for additional power drain, we need information on that. And I've seen very little. Mostly conjecture. But, since 5G involves adding a sophisticated processor then it is reasonable that it could use power faster. But, then so does every other hardware enhancement in an iPhone or Apple Watch. The question is: how much and is does the benefit out weigh the cost? Since you claim that there is no benefit then that equation should be easy for you. But too, there is no one simple answer to that because the benefit will be increasing as providers roll out 5G across the country).
...and what benefits does 5g currently have for smartphone users?...
Watch the Keynote. Or maybe send Tim a message telling him you think he's full of shit.
yeah, I did. They kept saying the same things everyone else has said (including you,) and hyped 5G but never said what it was good for. But then neither can you.
Go feed your horse.
These things don't pop out of the womb fully developed and fully grown. Enhancements to communications have been a prime driver of computing since the earliest days of computing because they enable new things that have not previously existed or even been dreamed of by the proletariat. It even caught Steve Jobs by surprise: it's why he insisted on keeping the iPhone small (so you didn't have to hold a brick to your ear) even after it had progressed from being mostly a phone to mostly a computer -- mostly because of advances in communications.
For myself, I'll bet on the history of computing as well as experts from all over the world investing their companies and many billions of dollars into this new technology.
I don't have a horse, but thank you for essentially agreeing that there are no current uses for 5G.
You could use the same silly argument that there is no current use for an A14 processor.
And no, I did not agree with your implication that 5G is a waste. Even if you were correct and there is no current use (which you aren't), most people buying a phone keep it for years -- and they don't want to be locked into obsolete technology.
There is no good reason not to reveal the information.
It is a specification and is useful for comparative purposes even if the variables in play make it hard to draw definitive conclusions.
Hmm, we agree. It’s like the old days of the megahertz wars. Different speeds when comparing different processor families wasn’t useful. Battery size isn’t useful either, other than for general size trends.
I guess you disagree with Avon then. He mentioned no good reason NOT to reveal the information.
There is no good reason not to reveal the information.
It is a specification and is useful for comparative purposes even if the variables in play make it hard to draw definitive conclusions.
Hmm, we agree. It’s like the old days of the megahertz wars. Different speeds when comparing different processor families wasn’t useful. Battery size isn’t useful either, other than for general size trends.
I guess you disagree with Avon then. He mentioned no good reason NOT to reveal the information.
Doesn’t everyone, usually?...
No
Ok, you’re one of the few exceptions.
I would hope not. Avon almost always bases his posts on reality and (real) facts. It's refreshing really.
There is no good reason not to reveal the information.
It is a specification and is useful for comparative purposes even if the variables in play make it hard to draw definitive conclusions.
Hmm, we agree. It’s like the old days of the megahertz wars. Different speeds when comparing different processor families wasn’t useful. Battery size isn’t useful either, other than for general size trends.
I guess you disagree with Avon then. He mentioned no good reason NOT to reveal the information.
Doesn’t everyone, usually?...
No
Ok, you’re one of the few exceptions.
I would hope not. Avon almost always bases his posts on reality and (real) facts. It's refreshing really.
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IPhone 8. 13 hours
iPhone SE (2nd gen) 12 hours
IPhone XS. 14 hours
IPhone XR. 16 hours
iPhone 11. 17 hours
iPhone 12 mini. 15 hours
iPhone 12. 17 hours
iPhone 12 pro max 20 hours
Edit: I am certain I will be more than happy with an iPhone 12 mini, especially compared with my currrent iPhone 7 with 72% battery.
besides, realistically, Apple knows that the battery size, just like the amount of RAM, something else they don’t mention, will come out, as it has, even before the phone becomes available. So this entire argument is a waste of our time, and all the digital ink we’ve been spilling over it.
I would hope not. Avon almost always bases his posts on reality and (real) facts. It's refreshing really.