Facebook says it hopes proposed EU rules 'set boundaries' for Apple

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Facebook took another swipe at Apple on Tuesday, saying it hopes Apple's power will be reigned in by new European Union draft proposals.

Credit: Solen Feyissa
Credit: Solen Feyissa


The European Commission on Tuesday introduced two pieces of draft legislation that would impose new regulations on tech companies in the EU, and levy hefty fines for noncompliance. One of those acts, the Digital Markets Act, would mean major changes for the Apple App Store.

In a statement to Reuters, Facebook said that it hopes the DMA, which could restrict companies highlighting their own products on an app marketplace, "will also set boundaries for Apple."

"Apple controls an entire ecosystem from device to app store and apps, and uses this power to harm developers and consumers, as well as large platforms like Facebook," the company said.

On the other hand, another draft proposal introduced by the EU on Tuesday would also target Facebook. The Digital Services Act would require major platforms to do more to tackle illegal or harmful content. Facebook, which has been criticized for not taking enough action to stem misinformation and hate speech, didn't comment on the DSA.

Facebook has been a vocal critic of certain App Store policies, including the Cupertino tech giant's cut of in-app purchases.

The social media company has also pushed back against a planned iOS 14 privacy feature that would make cross-application tracking opt-in. Facebook says that feature could reduce advertising revenue as much as 50%.

Both companies are known to spar over their divergent business models and policies. In November, Apple took a swipe at Facebook in a letter to advocacy groups, saying that Facebook's business model is to "collect as much data as possible" and "develop and monetize detailed profiles" of users.

In response, Facebook claimed that Apple was "using their dominant market position to self-preference their own data collection while making it nearly impossible for their competitors to use the same data."

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  • Reply 1 of 20
    If I could bitch slap Zuckershit right now, I'd do it with a smile on my face...
    williamlondonStrangeDaysBeatsRayz2016p-dogbloggerblogelijahgbaluwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 20
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,095member
    Imagine being an employee of Facebook and having to come up with this straw man argument, all while typing furiously on your iPhone 12 

    F U Facebook 
    williamlondonStrangeDaysradarthekatBeatsp-doglongpathchiaDogpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 20
    This should give the regulators in the EU pause. If Facebook wants the data that the EU seems to be promising from Apple to competitors shouldn’t that be all the evidence they need that data sharing is a bad idea. Unfortunately, I don’t expect the EU to get this at all.
    edited December 2020 longpath
  • Reply 4 of 20
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,260member
    Since when is data collection something to be proud of? That’s could be considered spying and a bunch of other things. Facebook needs to be heavily restricted not Apple. 
    williamlondonlongpathDogpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 20
    rob53 said:
    Since when is data collection something to be proud of? That’s could be considered spying and a bunch of other things. Facebook needs to be heavily restricted not Apple. 
    Yes, Facebook pot calling the Apple kettle black.
    williamlondonlongpathwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 20
    This is like Al Capone cheering on the Treasury Department's actions against a small time bookmaker (while they have hundreds of agents targeting him).  Bizarre.
    redhotfuzzlongpathDogpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 20
    Some hard deflection going on over at Facebook - the proposals would mean significant change to Facebook, particularly with its inadequacy to police illegal content and disinformation. The proposals that relate to Apple are relatively light, likely reflecting the fact that only a handful of developers have beef with Apple, despite there being over 20 million registered developers.

    Amazon however is likely to face significant scrutiny, as they utilise sales statistics to develop their own brands.

    Edit: I might also just add: Apple delayed implementing IDFA, but with how Facebook is attempting to bully Apple in the court of public opinion, I don't think there will be any more extensions.
    edited December 2020 superklotonlongpathwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 20
    funk off, Facebook & Zuckerberg. nobody likes you, we all hate your tracking, and soon you’re getting a smack down. 
    williamlondonp-doglongpathyoyo2222DetnatorDogpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 20
     FB dont have competition....
    redhotfuzzwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 20
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,129member
    The odds of these proposed rules becoming law as currently drafted are zero, and it would likely be 5 years before a very watered down version becomes law. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 20
    Apple sells hardware and services in a competitive, open marketplace.

    Facebook is a monopoly-sized social media network that collects your personal data in ways you can't even imagine.

    Who needs boundaries again???
    radarthekatp-doglongpathchiaTRAGwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 20
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    APPLE IS CRACKING DOWN ON PRIVACY?!!!!

    APPLE MUST BE STOPPED!!!

    -Suckerberg
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 20
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,101member
    "Apple controls an entire ecosystem from device to app store and apps, and uses this power to harm developers and consumers, as well as large platforms like Facebook," the company said.


    F**k you Mark.  Apple must be doing something right to get that little man-child's undies all wound up.

    The things that makes Apple so successful - especially its commitment to privacy and consumers - is everything that Zuckerberg is against.
    Dogpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 20
    Do we really want FB to do more to stop "disinformation"? Who defines what disinformation is? It seems to me that they've been overdoing it on that front by censoring conservatives, whether it's disinformation or not.
    edited December 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 20
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,446member
    There's really three (3) layers to "data harvesting" that people should be aware of.

    Data --> Information --> Intelligence

    Harvesting raw data in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, especially when it is anonymized and not traceable back to any individual. Apple does this. This is the lowest layer, the "it's just data" layer. Nothing to lose sleep over at this layer.

    It's the second layer when things start to get dicey - the "information" layer. This is where multiple sources of data are collected to identify specific trends, spot correlations, and identify associations. The information layer refines the raw data material into something with much more marketable. People will pay for information. If you shop on Amazon or contributed to any site that has membership, you've contributed to the creation of information and fleshed out this second layer.

    The last layer is the "intelligence" layer. This is where information from the second layer is processed, typically with non-trivial algorithms, deeper levels of contextualization, and oftentimes with a feedback loop back into the other two layers. Rather than just being another level of information refinement, this layer can try to predict future behavior and engagement, tailor individualized experiences, and even try to stimulate/drive behaviors that are beneficial to the owner of the data harvesting platform - not the individual. This is the layer where you become the product.

    Facebook does full-stack data harvesting unlike any other company on the planet. There's a big difference between companies like Amazon, Walmart, or Alibaba, who are using data and information processing to drive their e-commerce objectives, and Facebook. With Amazon and e-commerce platforms you pay your money to the store owner and get a product delivered to your doorstep in return for your cash. That's a pretty clear transaction.

    So what do you really get from Facebook and how are you really paying for it? It's not so clear, but somehow Facebook is walking away with a boatload of cold hard cash and you ... not so much. That's because they are selling YOU and doing so using sophisticated algorithms that keep you locked into their corral like you're a little farm animal. You're not even getting a little kibble out of it for selling, or perhaps simply leasing, your soul to Facebook. You've been royalty Zucked.
    Dogpersonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 20
    I hope “Zuck” realizes the incoming administration plans on crushing companies like his.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 20
    If he is really that concerned, he should build a free smartphone and give it to anyone who wants it with the caveat of that it will harvest any and all data input into it, then let the public choose....... would love to see the results, and then he can stop his moaning
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 20
    The social media company has also pushed back against a planned iOS 14 privacy feature that would make cross-application tracking opt-in. Facebook says that feature could reduce advertising revenue as much as 50%.
    That’s what it’s all about — everything else is a smokescreen. 

    If the EU is really working to benefit the people of Europe they won’t side with Zuvkerborg on privacy and security issues.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 20
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,888member
    rob53 said:
    Since when is data collection something to be proud of? That’s could be considered spying and a bunch of other things. Facebook needs to be heavily restricted not Apple. 
    Yes, Facebook pot calling the Apple kettle black.
    More like the serial killer calling the pickpocket a felon.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 20
    HeliBum said:
    Do we really want FB to do more to stop "disinformation"? Who defines what disinformation is? It seems to me that they've been overdoing it on that front by censoring conservatives, whether it's disinformation or not.
    Yes - disinformation by definition is easily proven, or it's not disinformation...  Think about it.
    dewmeTRAGwatto_cobra
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