Chip delivery delays stretch longer as global shortage worsens

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The global chip shortage is continuing to get worse, with firms dependent on new chips seeing delays in production and delivery lengthen to over a year, and in some cases until 2024.




The global semiconductor shortage has caused issues for many companies around the world, with slow chip deliveries impacting the ability for vendors to finish products and to complete orders. As the crisis rolls on, companies are seeing the delays stretch further into the future.

In the case of utility monitoring firm PowerX, an order for chips placed in May was originally expected to be delivered by the summer, but was then delayed to the fall, then winter, and is now not expected to arrive until May 2022, according to the Wall Street Journal. PowerX isn't alone, as Princeps Electronics operations director Ian Walker said some new orders from buyers had delivery dates in 2024.

Susquehanna Financial Group said chip wait times climbed from a typical 9 to 12 weeks to 19 weeks in the Summer, rising to 22 weeks in October. In some cases, such as power-management components, it's 25 weeks on average, while microcontrollers used by the auto industry can take up to 38 weeks to arrive.

Apple too is also affected by the issues in the supply chain, warning during its financial results that issues in "legacy nodes," namely modems and power regulators, are the main point of competition for the company. Accessibility of "leading-edge nodes," such as Apple Silicon, is not a problem for Apple at this time.

The shortage is caused by multiple issues, ranging from COVID-19 facility closures, reduced supplies of substrates and other basic materials, and interruptions to wafer production. Global shipping issues added to the problem, as chips can potentially travel up to 25,000 miles to become finished products.

While the supply chain for chips is one aspect, another is chip purchasing decisions, with overordering and stockpiling causing their own issues. Harvard Business School professor Willy Shih said "People are buying a lot of parts to have just in case, and that's exacerbating the shortage"

Chip producers like Apple partner TSMC have announced plans to heavily invest in facilities to improve production, but the expensive endeavors could take years to become not only operational, but to do enough to ease supplies.

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  • Reply 1 of 19
    Buy now for 2022 then. 
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  • Reply 2 of 19
    Trump wants to remove China from chip producing. Biden wants to compete with China instead of collaboration. Unfortunately the rest of the world is unable to meet the rapidly rising demand of semiconductors in autos, ai, etc. 
    Alex_V
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  • Reply 3 of 19
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
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  • Reply 4 of 19
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    TSMC raised prices a few months agp. 
    caladanian
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  • Reply 5 of 19
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,401member
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    Go price out a PC graphics card. Street prices have gone wild since November 2020.

    The silicon supply and demand imbalance has affected prices.

    AIB partner graphics cards are nearly impossible to get unless you pay scalper prices, at least 2x MSRP (and most MSRPs have been inflated since the beginning of 2021). There are PC graphics cards marketed as 1080p gaming boards that have current street prices around $600. Realistically they should be $200-250 tops.

    Last summer I bought a brand new Radeon RX 580 for my Mac mini 2018 (to be used in an external GPU box). It was $180, below the April 2017 $229 launch price. This card features 4.5 year old graphics architecture. You can't buy this card new today because it hasn't been manufactured for some time and all of the remaining inventory was bought up months ago. You can buy a "refreshed" (read used) RX 580 card for $650. Realistically this card's value is $120-150 tops.

    As we head into the holiday shopping season this situation will get worse before it gets better.

    This isn't specific to PC graphics cards. Xbox Series X|S, PlayStation 5, Nintendo Switch OLED, they are all difficult to find and anything you'll find on FleaBay is overpriced thanks to the scalpers and their 'bots. Note that the newest Xbox and PS5 were launched in November last year, 11.5 months ago.

    As Waveparticle notes, chip foundries like TSMC have increased pricing. The percentage increase was not equally applied across the board. Apple took lower price hikes than many other customers.
    edited October 2021
    Alex_Vmuthuk_vanalingamcaladanian
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  • Reply 6 of 19
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    That analogue does not fully apply to semiconductor industry as mostly, there are existing multi-year contracts in place on supply. That said, there are definitely those adhoc orders which will be more affected while those on constant supply orders will be lesser affected.

    The analogue used is also not true reflection of entire market, only a small part - B2C while B2B on annual or multi-year contracts to supply (e.g. distribution/resell to restaurants, food processing plant) are prioritised and less affected (contracts usually have a variable component for ability to raise price with a cap so it is not unlimited hike).
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 7 of 19
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    It's very easy to call other people idiots when you just imagine that they're doing idiotic things in your Econ 101 worldview.  Not only easy, it's rather an idiotic call, when these things are very easy to check, and have been widely reported.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 8 of 19
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,683member
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    Just went to Santa Monica Seafood today everything was in stock, the prices were a little higher, but not too bad same goes for all the supermarkets…. If you cook at home most of the time, you are still ahead of the game and if you grow a few choice items tomatoes, peppers, citrus and a few key herbs and spices, you are doing well.

    Note: I’m not growing anything, but when I was growing up the house we bought (parents) the people who lived there before us did all those things. (Lemon, lime, apricot, peaches, nectarines, tomatoes, many other things I’m sure they saved a lot of money as a kid I didn’t understand at the time the pandemic changed that).

    PS I found out later on that they were Mormon, they also had a water purifier long before it was fashionable. 

    If you are a business or person that plans and thinks ahead a little bit, you are still in a somewhat good position.
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  • Reply 9 of 19
    danox said:
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    Just went to Santa Monica Seafood today everything was in stock, the prices were a little higher, but not too bad same goes for all the supermarkets…. If you cook at home most of the time, you are still ahead of the game and if you grow a few choice items tomatoes, peppers, citrus and a few key herbs and spices, you are doing well.

    Note: I’m not growing anything, but when I was growing up the house we bought (parents) the people who lived there before us did all those things. (Lemon, lime, apricot, peaches, nectarines, tomatoes, many other things I’m sure they saved a lot of money as a kid I didn’t understand at the time the pandemic changed that).

    PS I found out later on that they were Mormon, they also had a water purifier long before it was fashionable. 

    If you are a business or person that plans and thinks ahead a little bit, you are still in a somewhat good position.
    I refueled at Costco last Wednesday. The price is $4.059/gallon. It has never been this high at Costco before. 
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  • Reply 10 of 19
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,401member
    danox said:
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    Just went to Santa Monica Seafood today everything was in stock, the prices were a little higher, but not too bad same goes for all the supermarkets…. If you cook at home most of the time, you are still ahead of the game and if you grow a few choice items tomatoes, peppers, citrus and a few key herbs and spices, you are doing well.

    Note: I’m not growing anything, but when I was growing up the house we bought (parents) the people who lived there before us did all those things. (Lemon, lime, apricot, peaches, nectarines, tomatoes, many other things I’m sure they saved a lot of money as a kid I didn’t understand at the time the pandemic changed that).

    PS I found out later on that they were Mormon, they also had a water purifier long before it was fashionable. 

    If you are a business or person that plans and thinks ahead a little bit, you are still in a somewhat good position.
    This isn't practical for Joe Consumer.

    Even if you know that gas prices dropped, it's not like you can buy 1500 gallons right now and pour it into your swimming pool. Same with most small businesses. They don't have the facilities and resources to stockpile two years worth of toilet seat covers or cocktail napkins.

    There was a recent news article I read in a local paper than highlighted the difficulties of small businesses. Business owners are paying more because of supply shortages, things like cardboard for pizza boxes. It's not like a mom-and-pop pizzeria can stockpile two years worth of cardboard. They don't have the facilities to do so.

    The potato example is particularly bad. Fresh ones are perishable. It's not like you can shove a three year supply of potatoes into a pantry.

    Civilization has come up with some clever ways to preserve perishables (like making dried noodles out of flour) but it's not like the Italian restaurant or ramen noodle shop on the corner can stockpile three years of dried noodles.

    Let's say you serve french fries at your restaurant. Yes, you could peel the potatoes, cut them, par-fry them and then freeze them until use. The energy/real estate commitment to run warehouses with freezers over months/years is not cost effective.

    Beyond that, let's say it takes X amount of equipment and Y amount of labor beyond your normal daily operations needs to fulfill a 3-year production volume for long-term stockpiling. Then what? The equipment goes idle for over 2.5 years. You fire the extra/now unneeded production workers. Is that a sustainable business model?

    This would be like your aunt Millie buying 10 pallets of aluminum foil because aluminum futures just crashed by 30% or you buying 50 pairs of jeans and 200 t-shirts because cotton futures dropped by the same margin.
    edited November 2021
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  • Reply 11 of 19
    Yeah, why is that that gas went sky high all of a sudden? And NO signs of coming down…we are once exporter of this commodities ….And you cant hear that news in main stream media? 
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 12 of 19
    Kuyangkoh said:
    Yeah, why is that that gas went sky high all of a sudden? And NO signs of coming down…we are once exporter of this commodities ….And you cant hear that news in main stream media? 
    Gas prices are high because people are hoarding gas storing it in their swimming pools. 
    DAalsethFileMakerFeller
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  • Reply 13 of 19
    Xedxed Posts: 3,114member
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    A shortage doesn't mean it's impossible to find something, it means the amount supplied is insufficient to meet demand which is why you'd easily be able to find a potato for $100 if the going rate increased several time over what it is today.
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  • Reply 14 of 19
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,808member
    crowley said:
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    It's very easy to call other people idiots when you just imagine that they're doing idiotic things in your Econ 101 worldview.  Not only easy, it's rather an idiotic call, when these things are very easy to check, and have been widely reported.
    A few weeks ago you specifically asked me to stop arguing with you, and now here you are calling me an idiot multiple times. I guess the armistice is off? You're wanting to fight again?
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  • Reply 15 of 19
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    It's very easy to call other people idiots when you just imagine that they're doing idiotic things in your Econ 101 worldview.  Not only easy, it's rather an idiotic call, when these things are very easy to check, and have been widely reported.
    A few weeks ago you specifically asked me to stop arguing with you, and now here you are calling me an idiot multiple times. I guess the armistice is off? You're wanting to fight again?
    Only once by my count, and well earned.

    There was never an "armistice",  why are you always so self-important and weird?
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  • Reply 16 of 19
    mpantone said:
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    Go price out a PC graphics card. Street prices have gone wild since November 2020.

    The silicon supply and demand imbalance has affected prices.

    AIB partner graphics cards are nearly impossible to get unless you pay scalper prices, at least 2x MSRP (and most MSRPs have been inflated since the beginning of 2021). There are PC graphics cards marketed as 1080p gaming boards that have current street prices around $600. Realistically they should be $200-250 tops.

    Last summer I bought a brand new Radeon RX 580 for my Mac mini 2018 (to be used in an external GPU box). It was $180, below the April 2017 $229 launch price. This card features 4.5 year old graphics architecture. You can't buy this card new today because it hasn't been manufactured for some time and all of the remaining inventory was bought up months ago. You can buy a "refreshed" (read used) RX 580 card for $650. Realistically this card's value is $120-150 tops.

    As we head into the holiday shopping season this situation will get worse before it gets better.

    This isn't specific to PC graphics cards. Xbox Series X|S, PlayStation 5, Nintendo Switch OLED, they are all difficult to find and anything you'll find on FleaBay is overpriced thanks to the scalpers and their 'bots. Note that the newest Xbox and PS5 were launched in November last year, 11.5 months ago.

    As Waveparticle notes, chip foundries like TSMC have increased pricing. The percentage increase was not equally applied across the board. Apple took lower price hikes than many other customers.
    I don't agree with your economics here. If someone is willing and able to pay $650 for a graphics card, then it's worth that. Potatoes are different. Everyone has to have food. During the Irish potato famine, most people didn't have $100 to buy a potato even if they could find one. PC graphics cards are not essential to life. Nor are most other things affected by the global microchip shortage. Be thankful for what you've got.
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 17 of 19
    Wgkrueger said:
    Kuyangkoh said:
    Yeah, why is that that gas went sky high all of a sudden? And NO signs of coming down…we are once exporter of this commodities ….And you cant hear that news in main stream media? 
    Gas prices are high because people are hoarding gas storing it in their swimming pools. 
    Hahahahahahaha…..to that’s the smell from my neighbors 
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  • Reply 18 of 19
    applguyapplguy Posts: 235member
    If there was a shortage of potatoes, that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a potato; it would mean that potatoes are more expensive. If I was willing to pay $100 for a potato, I could probably find one. 

    Does this principle of supply and demand not also apply to the global semiconductor shortage? If it applies, I'd like to see the actual price increases for select chips rather than just hear that there's a shortage. If chip suppliers are not raising their prices during a shortage, they are idiots.

    Right now there's a shortage of meat in my country, but I can still go buy meat in any grocery or restaurant. It's just that the prices are 20% higher. I guess meat suppliers are smarter than computer chip manufacturers. 
    This analogy assumes you want to buy a standard potato. Imagine you need to grow your own custom potato to your specifications but all the farmers are already growing custom potatoes for other buyers. 
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  • Reply 19 of 19
    mpantone said:

    This would be like your aunt Millie buying 10 pallets of aluminum foil because aluminum futures just crashed by 30% or you buying 50 pairs of jeans and 200 t-shirts because cotton futures dropped by the same margin.
    But think of all the snazzy hats she could make for you to wear with your new clothes!
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