Chinese media downplaying Apple's reported $275B deal with the country

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  • Reply 81 of 84
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    tmay said:
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    https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20211211-as-eu-taiwan-ties-deepen-cybersecurity-is-front-and-centre?ref=tw

    Relations between the European Union and Taiwan have taken a surprising turn over the past year, with European officials embracing diplomatic cooperation with the self-governed island even as Beijing ramps up its coercive attempts to isolate Taipei. As the EU finds common ground with Taiwan in the field of cybersecurity and resilience, experts say China’s tactics have inadvertently pushed the bloc closer to Taipei.

    President Xi Jinping’s increasingly aggressive policy at home and abroad has provoked greater wariness and even outrage in the EU, which has become increasingly aware of the threats from China, particularly in the form of disinformation and influence campaigns.

    But, but, everybody loves the "peaceful" PRC...

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/it-will-really-poke-the-panda-new-zealand-s-defence-document-breaks-new-ground-on-china-20211211-p59grc.html

    In the last few weeks, Australian, Fijian, New Zealand and Papua New Guinean peacekeepers were deployed to the Solomon Islands to stabilise the situation for a pro-China leader, alleged to have used a Chinese government slush fund to bribe militants to withdraw support from the violent protests in Honiara. CCP-mouthpiece Global Times, approvingly praised the arrival of the foreign forces in the Solomons to restore order.

    The situation is invidious, but New Zealand and Australia’s longstanding timidity on publicly confronting China’s malign activities in the Pacific meant that it was inevitable they would find themselves using their militaries to protect Chinese interests in the Pacific.


    On December 6, despite a mountain of damning evidence of his unfitness for office going back many years, Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare easily survived a non-confidence vote in the Solomons Parliament. All those who voted in support of Sogavare had allegedly been promised money from the Chinese-backed fund.

    Just two days after this vote, the New Zealand government published its 2021 Defence Assessment, a comprehensive look at the challenges facing the country from a defence and security perspective. In Australia, there is a perception that New Zealand has been too timid in its approach to China. This new assessment should put an end to that; it will really poke the panda.

    It lays out New Zealand’s deep concerns about the risk of China stationing its military in the South Pacific. Local conflicts, such as the Honiara riots, could provide the catalyst for such a move.

    The 2021 Defence Assessment asserts that if a state that did not share New Zealand’s values and security interests – read China – set up a military base or dual-use facility in the Pacific, it would be among the most serious security threats facing New Zealand.

    It is a situation that parallels the acute danger posed for New Zealand and Australia by Axis powers like Japan – or Vichy France – controlling Pacific island territories in World War II. New Zealand’s 2021 Defence Assessment closely parallels and references the findings of Australia’s 2020 Strategic Update.



    everybody lives in fear of mighty New Zealand.  They are pretty good at making motion pictures though.
    Strategic location in the South Pacific and near Antarctica, and is a setback for the PRC's strategic interests.

    If you had any concept of the Pacific War, you would understand why China is attempting inroads in the South Pacific; to constrain Australia's and New Zealand's supply lines.

    Some believe that the PRC will attempt to commercialize its site(s) in Antartica as well, something that is banned by treaty that the PRC is a signatory of, but when has that ever stopped them?

    https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-deep-seabed-is-chinas-next-target

    New Zealand and Australia mean little to China -- they're just U.S. minions.
    But let's talk about Nicaragua

    And instead of hypotheticals about Antarctica, let's talk about who is breaking treaties to militarize space.  Does China have a "Space Force"?


    You really don't have a clue of what China is doing militarily, but of course, you will continue to defend them. 

    Sick.

    That's your trouble:  I DO know what's going on -- because I'm not blinded by hate and ideology.
    Unlike the U.S., China does not intend to expand militarily.  (Although they will defend what is theirs).
    Well, China is indeed intent on expanding what is theirs...even if it actually isn't.


    Let's talk about economies, as an adjunct to your previous post;

    Nicaragua's;

    $13.118 billion

    ...and New Zealand's;

    US $193.545 billion

    ...and Australia's;

    US $1.5 Trillion

    ...and the U.S.;

    US $22.675 Trillion

    ...and the PRC;

    US $15.6 Trillion

    So Australia, with a population of 25.67 Million, has an economy 1/10 the size of the PRC.

    New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million, and Nicaragua 6.6 million, but New Zealand has 15 times the economy.

    So let's throw in the PRC's primary ally; Russia with a population of 145 million

    US $1.71 Trillion, a bit bigger than the economy of Australia.

    How about we throw in Canada, UK and the EU.

    Canada US $1.9 Trillion, 

    UK US $ 2.83 Trillion

    EU US $15 Trillion, about the same size as the PRC.

    Funny how the democracies of the world are all stronger than the autocracies.
    Do you know who invented the word 'developed nation'?
    I sure bet it’s really relevant to the conversation!
    You failed to understand he attributes it to democracies. 
    Yep.

    Why would that be?

    Because historically, state run economies do much worse, by far, than democracies and capitalism.
    Japan was not a democracy before 1945. 

    Funny how he bases the value of democracy on how the rich the rich are.
    In 1946, Japan was directed by General MacAuthor to institute democratic practices, so yeah, Japan got a huge head start over the PRC, which as we all know, is still entirely authoritarian. At the same time, Xi Jinping is "moderating" China's capitalism, with the result that the PRC is even more involved in the economy, likely for a weaker result than his predecessors.

    In the meantime, China's economy is slowing, and the birthrate is likely to fall to the point that the population will halve by 2060.

    China's growth is only contracting in relative terms, in actual terms it is not only expanding but expanding at over triple what ours is doing and will soon overtake us as the world's leading economy -- which is the real reason for the hate of the China Haters.
    https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/china-to-become-the-worlds-largest-economy-in-2033

    Oh, it looks like China is seeing yet another delay in besting the U.S. economy. Meanwhile, Xi Jinping seems intent on creating more opposing to the PRC in the developed world. That doesn't bode well for continued strong growth as the West extricates itself from China's authoritarianism.

    LOL... No, they haven't slowed down.  It's us who crashed our economy and built up trillions of dollars of debt while China got back to work and school quickly and safely.

    And, as Americans die under the murderous authoritarianism of such entities as BigPharma and the Gun Lobby, the Chinese people thrive and live their best lives.   We tout freedom and democracy -- but our view of spreading freedom and democracy seems to be:

    Uh, China is still experiencing lockdowns, and with Omicron and Delta, the pandemic is ongoing for everyone. Not much of a win for China, and we already have new antivirals on the way, and plentiful MRNA vaccines that can be quickly evolved to meet new variants. China, not so much.  Credit to BigPharma for creating these as rapidly as they did.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-us-has-ordered-enough-pfizer-anti-viral-pills-treat-10-million-americans-2021-12-14/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizers-covid-19-antiviral-proves-almost-90-effective-in-latest-trial-data-as-u-s-passes-50-million-confirmed-cases-of-the-illness-11639495742



    Nice try -- but unlike here, after the first couple months, China has always had the virus under control and the only slow down in their economy had originated from western recessions caused by inept responses to the virus.
    They also have a higher vaccination rate.
    Sure, uh huh.

    LOL!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-covid-19-lockdowns-starting-to-sting-11639569604
    Nothing to be gained from trying logical argument to AppleInsider's resident tankie.  Supporting evidence is anathema to him.
  • Reply 82 of 84
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20211211-as-eu-taiwan-ties-deepen-cybersecurity-is-front-and-centre?ref=tw

    Relations between the European Union and Taiwan have taken a surprising turn over the past year, with European officials embracing diplomatic cooperation with the self-governed island even as Beijing ramps up its coercive attempts to isolate Taipei. As the EU finds common ground with Taiwan in the field of cybersecurity and resilience, experts say China’s tactics have inadvertently pushed the bloc closer to Taipei.

    President Xi Jinping’s increasingly aggressive policy at home and abroad has provoked greater wariness and even outrage in the EU, which has become increasingly aware of the threats from China, particularly in the form of disinformation and influence campaigns.

    But, but, everybody loves the "peaceful" PRC...

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/it-will-really-poke-the-panda-new-zealand-s-defence-document-breaks-new-ground-on-china-20211211-p59grc.html

    In the last few weeks, Australian, Fijian, New Zealand and Papua New Guinean peacekeepers were deployed to the Solomon Islands to stabilise the situation for a pro-China leader, alleged to have used a Chinese government slush fund to bribe militants to withdraw support from the violent protests in Honiara. CCP-mouthpiece Global Times, approvingly praised the arrival of the foreign forces in the Solomons to restore order.

    The situation is invidious, but New Zealand and Australia’s longstanding timidity on publicly confronting China’s malign activities in the Pacific meant that it was inevitable they would find themselves using their militaries to protect Chinese interests in the Pacific.


    On December 6, despite a mountain of damning evidence of his unfitness for office going back many years, Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare easily survived a non-confidence vote in the Solomons Parliament. All those who voted in support of Sogavare had allegedly been promised money from the Chinese-backed fund.

    Just two days after this vote, the New Zealand government published its 2021 Defence Assessment, a comprehensive look at the challenges facing the country from a defence and security perspective. In Australia, there is a perception that New Zealand has been too timid in its approach to China. This new assessment should put an end to that; it will really poke the panda.

    It lays out New Zealand’s deep concerns about the risk of China stationing its military in the South Pacific. Local conflicts, such as the Honiara riots, could provide the catalyst for such a move.

    The 2021 Defence Assessment asserts that if a state that did not share New Zealand’s values and security interests – read China – set up a military base or dual-use facility in the Pacific, it would be among the most serious security threats facing New Zealand.

    It is a situation that parallels the acute danger posed for New Zealand and Australia by Axis powers like Japan – or Vichy France – controlling Pacific island territories in World War II. New Zealand’s 2021 Defence Assessment closely parallels and references the findings of Australia’s 2020 Strategic Update.



    everybody lives in fear of mighty New Zealand.  They are pretty good at making motion pictures though.
    Strategic location in the South Pacific and near Antarctica, and is a setback for the PRC's strategic interests.

    If you had any concept of the Pacific War, you would understand why China is attempting inroads in the South Pacific; to constrain Australia's and New Zealand's supply lines.

    Some believe that the PRC will attempt to commercialize its site(s) in Antartica as well, something that is banned by treaty that the PRC is a signatory of, but when has that ever stopped them?

    https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-deep-seabed-is-chinas-next-target

    New Zealand and Australia mean little to China -- they're just U.S. minions.
    But let's talk about Nicaragua

    And instead of hypotheticals about Antarctica, let's talk about who is breaking treaties to militarize space.  Does China have a "Space Force"?


    You really don't have a clue of what China is doing militarily, but of course, you will continue to defend them. 

    Sick.

    That's your trouble:  I DO know what's going on -- because I'm not blinded by hate and ideology.
    Unlike the U.S., China does not intend to expand militarily.  (Although they will defend what is theirs).
    Well, China is indeed intent on expanding what is theirs...even if it actually isn't.


    Let's talk about economies, as an adjunct to your previous post;

    Nicaragua's;

    $13.118 billion

    ...and New Zealand's;

    US $193.545 billion

    ...and Australia's;

    US $1.5 Trillion

    ...and the U.S.;

    US $22.675 Trillion

    ...and the PRC;

    US $15.6 Trillion

    So Australia, with a population of 25.67 Million, has an economy 1/10 the size of the PRC.

    New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million, and Nicaragua 6.6 million, but New Zealand has 15 times the economy.

    So let's throw in the PRC's primary ally; Russia with a population of 145 million

    US $1.71 Trillion, a bit bigger than the economy of Australia.

    How about we throw in Canada, UK and the EU.

    Canada US $1.9 Trillion, 

    UK US $ 2.83 Trillion

    EU US $15 Trillion, about the same size as the PRC.

    Funny how the democracies of the world are all stronger than the autocracies.
    Do you know who invented the word 'developed nation'?
    I sure bet it’s really relevant to the conversation!
    You failed to understand he attributes it to democracies. 
    Yep.

    Why would that be?

    Because historically, state run economies do much worse, by far, than democracies and capitalism.
    Japan was not a democracy before 1945. 

    Funny how he bases the value of democracy on how the rich the rich are.
    In 1946, Japan was directed by General MacAuthor to institute democratic practices, so yeah, Japan got a huge head start over the PRC, which as we all know, is still entirely authoritarian. At the same time, Xi Jinping is "moderating" China's capitalism, with the result that the PRC is even more involved in the economy, likely for a weaker result than his predecessors.

    In the meantime, China's economy is slowing, and the birthrate is likely to fall to the point that the population will halve by 2060.

    China's growth is only contracting in relative terms, in actual terms it is not only expanding but expanding at over triple what ours is doing and will soon overtake us as the world's leading economy -- which is the real reason for the hate of the China Haters.
    https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/china-to-become-the-worlds-largest-economy-in-2033

    Oh, it looks like China is seeing yet another delay in besting the U.S. economy. Meanwhile, Xi Jinping seems intent on creating more opposing to the PRC in the developed world. That doesn't bode well for continued strong growth as the West extricates itself from China's authoritarianism.

    LOL... No, they haven't slowed down.  It's us who crashed our economy and built up trillions of dollars of debt while China got back to work and school quickly and safely.

    And, as Americans die under the murderous authoritarianism of such entities as BigPharma and the Gun Lobby, the Chinese people thrive and live their best lives.   We tout freedom and democracy -- but our view of spreading freedom and democracy seems to be:

    Uh, China is still experiencing lockdowns, and with Omicron and Delta, the pandemic is ongoing for everyone. Not much of a win for China, and we already have new antivirals on the way, and plentiful MRNA vaccines that can be quickly evolved to meet new variants. China, not so much.  Credit to BigPharma for creating these as rapidly as they did.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-us-has-ordered-enough-pfizer-anti-viral-pills-treat-10-million-americans-2021-12-14/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizers-covid-19-antiviral-proves-almost-90-effective-in-latest-trial-data-as-u-s-passes-50-million-confirmed-cases-of-the-illness-11639495742



    Nice try -- but unlike here, after the first couple months, China has always had the virus under control and the only slow down in their economy had originated from western recessions caused by inept responses to the virus.
    They also have a higher vaccination rate.
    Sure, uh huh.

    LOL!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-covid-19-lockdowns-starting-to-sting-11639569604
    Nothing to be gained from trying logical argument to AppleInsider's resident tankie.  Supporting evidence is anathema to him.
    He's indoctrinated; a Tankie.

    Xi Jinping is his Stalin/Mao Zedong.

    Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism. The term was originally used by dissident and sectarian Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out defending Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and later the 1968 Prague Spring uprising; or more broadly, those who adhered to pro-Soviet positions in general.[1
    The term "tankie" has been used in English-language social media to describe self-identified communists, particularly those from the West, who uphold the legacies of totalitarian leaders such as Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. While generally used pejoratively, "some Marxist–Leninists have even begun wearing the term as a badge of honor."[7]
  • Reply 83 of 84
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
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    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20211211-as-eu-taiwan-ties-deepen-cybersecurity-is-front-and-centre?ref=tw

    Relations between the European Union and Taiwan have taken a surprising turn over the past year, with European officials embracing diplomatic cooperation with the self-governed island even as Beijing ramps up its coercive attempts to isolate Taipei. As the EU finds common ground with Taiwan in the field of cybersecurity and resilience, experts say China’s tactics have inadvertently pushed the bloc closer to Taipei.

    President Xi Jinping’s increasingly aggressive policy at home and abroad has provoked greater wariness and even outrage in the EU, which has become increasingly aware of the threats from China, particularly in the form of disinformation and influence campaigns.

    But, but, everybody loves the "peaceful" PRC...

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/it-will-really-poke-the-panda-new-zealand-s-defence-document-breaks-new-ground-on-china-20211211-p59grc.html

    In the last few weeks, Australian, Fijian, New Zealand and Papua New Guinean peacekeepers were deployed to the Solomon Islands to stabilise the situation for a pro-China leader, alleged to have used a Chinese government slush fund to bribe militants to withdraw support from the violent protests in Honiara. CCP-mouthpiece Global Times, approvingly praised the arrival of the foreign forces in the Solomons to restore order.

    The situation is invidious, but New Zealand and Australia’s longstanding timidity on publicly confronting China’s malign activities in the Pacific meant that it was inevitable they would find themselves using their militaries to protect Chinese interests in the Pacific.


    On December 6, despite a mountain of damning evidence of his unfitness for office going back many years, Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare easily survived a non-confidence vote in the Solomons Parliament. All those who voted in support of Sogavare had allegedly been promised money from the Chinese-backed fund.

    Just two days after this vote, the New Zealand government published its 2021 Defence Assessment, a comprehensive look at the challenges facing the country from a defence and security perspective. In Australia, there is a perception that New Zealand has been too timid in its approach to China. This new assessment should put an end to that; it will really poke the panda.

    It lays out New Zealand’s deep concerns about the risk of China stationing its military in the South Pacific. Local conflicts, such as the Honiara riots, could provide the catalyst for such a move.

    The 2021 Defence Assessment asserts that if a state that did not share New Zealand’s values and security interests – read China – set up a military base or dual-use facility in the Pacific, it would be among the most serious security threats facing New Zealand.

    It is a situation that parallels the acute danger posed for New Zealand and Australia by Axis powers like Japan – or Vichy France – controlling Pacific island territories in World War II. New Zealand’s 2021 Defence Assessment closely parallels and references the findings of Australia’s 2020 Strategic Update.



    everybody lives in fear of mighty New Zealand.  They are pretty good at making motion pictures though.
    Strategic location in the South Pacific and near Antarctica, and is a setback for the PRC's strategic interests.

    If you had any concept of the Pacific War, you would understand why China is attempting inroads in the South Pacific; to constrain Australia's and New Zealand's supply lines.

    Some believe that the PRC will attempt to commercialize its site(s) in Antartica as well, something that is banned by treaty that the PRC is a signatory of, but when has that ever stopped them?

    https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-deep-seabed-is-chinas-next-target

    New Zealand and Australia mean little to China -- they're just U.S. minions.
    But let's talk about Nicaragua

    And instead of hypotheticals about Antarctica, let's talk about who is breaking treaties to militarize space.  Does China have a "Space Force"?


    You really don't have a clue of what China is doing militarily, but of course, you will continue to defend them. 

    Sick.

    That's your trouble:  I DO know what's going on -- because I'm not blinded by hate and ideology.
    Unlike the U.S., China does not intend to expand militarily.  (Although they will defend what is theirs).
    Well, China is indeed intent on expanding what is theirs...even if it actually isn't.


    Let's talk about economies, as an adjunct to your previous post;

    Nicaragua's;

    $13.118 billion

    ...and New Zealand's;

    US $193.545 billion

    ...and Australia's;

    US $1.5 Trillion

    ...and the U.S.;

    US $22.675 Trillion

    ...and the PRC;

    US $15.6 Trillion

    So Australia, with a population of 25.67 Million, has an economy 1/10 the size of the PRC.

    New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million, and Nicaragua 6.6 million, but New Zealand has 15 times the economy.

    So let's throw in the PRC's primary ally; Russia with a population of 145 million

    US $1.71 Trillion, a bit bigger than the economy of Australia.

    How about we throw in Canada, UK and the EU.

    Canada US $1.9 Trillion, 

    UK US $ 2.83 Trillion

    EU US $15 Trillion, about the same size as the PRC.

    Funny how the democracies of the world are all stronger than the autocracies.
    Do you know who invented the word 'developed nation'?
    I sure bet it’s really relevant to the conversation!
    You failed to understand he attributes it to democracies. 
    Yep.

    Why would that be?

    Because historically, state run economies do much worse, by far, than democracies and capitalism.
    Japan was not a democracy before 1945. 

    Funny how he bases the value of democracy on how the rich the rich are.
    In 1946, Japan was directed by General MacAuthor to institute democratic practices, so yeah, Japan got a huge head start over the PRC, which as we all know, is still entirely authoritarian. At the same time, Xi Jinping is "moderating" China's capitalism, with the result that the PRC is even more involved in the economy, likely for a weaker result than his predecessors.

    In the meantime, China's economy is slowing, and the birthrate is likely to fall to the point that the population will halve by 2060.

    China's growth is only contracting in relative terms, in actual terms it is not only expanding but expanding at over triple what ours is doing and will soon overtake us as the world's leading economy -- which is the real reason for the hate of the China Haters.
    https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/china-to-become-the-worlds-largest-economy-in-2033

    Oh, it looks like China is seeing yet another delay in besting the U.S. economy. Meanwhile, Xi Jinping seems intent on creating more opposing to the PRC in the developed world. That doesn't bode well for continued strong growth as the West extricates itself from China's authoritarianism.

    LOL... No, they haven't slowed down.  It's us who crashed our economy and built up trillions of dollars of debt while China got back to work and school quickly and safely.

    And, as Americans die under the murderous authoritarianism of such entities as BigPharma and the Gun Lobby, the Chinese people thrive and live their best lives.   We tout freedom and democracy -- but our view of spreading freedom and democracy seems to be:

    Uh, China is still experiencing lockdowns, and with Omicron and Delta, the pandemic is ongoing for everyone. Not much of a win for China, and we already have new antivirals on the way, and plentiful MRNA vaccines that can be quickly evolved to meet new variants. China, not so much.  Credit to BigPharma for creating these as rapidly as they did.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-us-has-ordered-enough-pfizer-anti-viral-pills-treat-10-million-americans-2021-12-14/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizers-covid-19-antiviral-proves-almost-90-effective-in-latest-trial-data-as-u-s-passes-50-million-confirmed-cases-of-the-illness-11639495742



    Nice try -- but unlike here, after the first couple months, China has always had the virus under control and the only slow down in their economy had originated from western recessions caused by inept responses to the virus.
    They also have a higher vaccination rate.
    Sure, uh huh.

    LOL!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-covid-19-lockdowns-starting-to-sting-11639569604
    Nothing to be gained from trying logical argument to AppleInsider's resident tankie.  Supporting evidence is anathema to him.

    Not at all -- just hate driven bullshit is "anathema" to me.
  • Reply 84 of 84
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
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    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20211211-as-eu-taiwan-ties-deepen-cybersecurity-is-front-and-centre?ref=tw

    Relations between the European Union and Taiwan have taken a surprising turn over the past year, with European officials embracing diplomatic cooperation with the self-governed island even as Beijing ramps up its coercive attempts to isolate Taipei. As the EU finds common ground with Taiwan in the field of cybersecurity and resilience, experts say China’s tactics have inadvertently pushed the bloc closer to Taipei.

    President Xi Jinping’s increasingly aggressive policy at home and abroad has provoked greater wariness and even outrage in the EU, which has become increasingly aware of the threats from China, particularly in the form of disinformation and influence campaigns.

    But, but, everybody loves the "peaceful" PRC...

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/it-will-really-poke-the-panda-new-zealand-s-defence-document-breaks-new-ground-on-china-20211211-p59grc.html

    In the last few weeks, Australian, Fijian, New Zealand and Papua New Guinean peacekeepers were deployed to the Solomon Islands to stabilise the situation for a pro-China leader, alleged to have used a Chinese government slush fund to bribe militants to withdraw support from the violent protests in Honiara. CCP-mouthpiece Global Times, approvingly praised the arrival of the foreign forces in the Solomons to restore order.

    The situation is invidious, but New Zealand and Australia’s longstanding timidity on publicly confronting China’s malign activities in the Pacific meant that it was inevitable they would find themselves using their militaries to protect Chinese interests in the Pacific.


    On December 6, despite a mountain of damning evidence of his unfitness for office going back many years, Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare easily survived a non-confidence vote in the Solomons Parliament. All those who voted in support of Sogavare had allegedly been promised money from the Chinese-backed fund.

    Just two days after this vote, the New Zealand government published its 2021 Defence Assessment, a comprehensive look at the challenges facing the country from a defence and security perspective. In Australia, there is a perception that New Zealand has been too timid in its approach to China. This new assessment should put an end to that; it will really poke the panda.

    It lays out New Zealand’s deep concerns about the risk of China stationing its military in the South Pacific. Local conflicts, such as the Honiara riots, could provide the catalyst for such a move.

    The 2021 Defence Assessment asserts that if a state that did not share New Zealand’s values and security interests – read China – set up a military base or dual-use facility in the Pacific, it would be among the most serious security threats facing New Zealand.

    It is a situation that parallels the acute danger posed for New Zealand and Australia by Axis powers like Japan – or Vichy France – controlling Pacific island territories in World War II. New Zealand’s 2021 Defence Assessment closely parallels and references the findings of Australia’s 2020 Strategic Update.



    everybody lives in fear of mighty New Zealand.  They are pretty good at making motion pictures though.
    Strategic location in the South Pacific and near Antarctica, and is a setback for the PRC's strategic interests.

    If you had any concept of the Pacific War, you would understand why China is attempting inroads in the South Pacific; to constrain Australia's and New Zealand's supply lines.

    Some believe that the PRC will attempt to commercialize its site(s) in Antartica as well, something that is banned by treaty that the PRC is a signatory of, but when has that ever stopped them?

    https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-deep-seabed-is-chinas-next-target

    New Zealand and Australia mean little to China -- they're just U.S. minions.
    But let's talk about Nicaragua

    And instead of hypotheticals about Antarctica, let's talk about who is breaking treaties to militarize space.  Does China have a "Space Force"?


    You really don't have a clue of what China is doing militarily, but of course, you will continue to defend them. 

    Sick.

    That's your trouble:  I DO know what's going on -- because I'm not blinded by hate and ideology.
    Unlike the U.S., China does not intend to expand militarily.  (Although they will defend what is theirs).
    Well, China is indeed intent on expanding what is theirs...even if it actually isn't.


    Let's talk about economies, as an adjunct to your previous post;

    Nicaragua's;

    $13.118 billion

    ...and New Zealand's;

    US $193.545 billion

    ...and Australia's;

    US $1.5 Trillion

    ...and the U.S.;

    US $22.675 Trillion

    ...and the PRC;

    US $15.6 Trillion

    So Australia, with a population of 25.67 Million, has an economy 1/10 the size of the PRC.

    New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million, and Nicaragua 6.6 million, but New Zealand has 15 times the economy.

    So let's throw in the PRC's primary ally; Russia with a population of 145 million

    US $1.71 Trillion, a bit bigger than the economy of Australia.

    How about we throw in Canada, UK and the EU.

    Canada US $1.9 Trillion, 

    UK US $ 2.83 Trillion

    EU US $15 Trillion, about the same size as the PRC.

    Funny how the democracies of the world are all stronger than the autocracies.
    Do you know who invented the word 'developed nation'?
    I sure bet it’s really relevant to the conversation!
    You failed to understand he attributes it to democracies. 
    Yep.

    Why would that be?

    Because historically, state run economies do much worse, by far, than democracies and capitalism.
    Japan was not a democracy before 1945. 

    Funny how he bases the value of democracy on how the rich the rich are.
    In 1946, Japan was directed by General MacAuthor to institute democratic practices, so yeah, Japan got a huge head start over the PRC, which as we all know, is still entirely authoritarian. At the same time, Xi Jinping is "moderating" China's capitalism, with the result that the PRC is even more involved in the economy, likely for a weaker result than his predecessors.

    In the meantime, China's economy is slowing, and the birthrate is likely to fall to the point that the population will halve by 2060.

    China's growth is only contracting in relative terms, in actual terms it is not only expanding but expanding at over triple what ours is doing and will soon overtake us as the world's leading economy -- which is the real reason for the hate of the China Haters.
    https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/china-to-become-the-worlds-largest-economy-in-2033

    Oh, it looks like China is seeing yet another delay in besting the U.S. economy. Meanwhile, Xi Jinping seems intent on creating more opposing to the PRC in the developed world. That doesn't bode well for continued strong growth as the West extricates itself from China's authoritarianism.

    LOL... No, they haven't slowed down.  It's us who crashed our economy and built up trillions of dollars of debt while China got back to work and school quickly and safely.

    And, as Americans die under the murderous authoritarianism of such entities as BigPharma and the Gun Lobby, the Chinese people thrive and live their best lives.   We tout freedom and democracy -- but our view of spreading freedom and democracy seems to be:

    Uh, China is still experiencing lockdowns, and with Omicron and Delta, the pandemic is ongoing for everyone. Not much of a win for China, and we already have new antivirals on the way, and plentiful MRNA vaccines that can be quickly evolved to meet new variants. China, not so much.  Credit to BigPharma for creating these as rapidly as they did.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-us-has-ordered-enough-pfizer-anti-viral-pills-treat-10-million-americans-2021-12-14/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizers-covid-19-antiviral-proves-almost-90-effective-in-latest-trial-data-as-u-s-passes-50-million-confirmed-cases-of-the-illness-11639495742



    Nice try -- but unlike here, after the first couple months, China has always had the virus under control and the only slow down in their economy had originated from western recessions caused by inept responses to the virus.
    They also have a higher vaccination rate.
    Sure, uh huh.

    LOL!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-covid-19-lockdowns-starting-to-sting-11639569604
    Nothing to be gained from trying logical argument to AppleInsider's resident tankie.  Supporting evidence is anathema to him.
    He's indoctrinated; a Tankie.

    Yep!  I'm indoctrinate with the truth instead of hate.  You should try it.  Very enlightening
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