Apple plans offering more advertising to users via apps

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  • Reply 21 of 43
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,698member
    gatorguy said:
    Just now I remembered something another member said just a few months ago, and that he assured us was true. That on-device file scanning and reporting to Apple that's assumed to be just about discovering child porn was claimed to have as much to do with upcoming Apple advertising plans. We thought he was nuts, but now I'm not so sure. 
    Oh, boy, your posts have only gotten more ridiculous over the years. But thanks for the laugh.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 43
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,698member

    gatorguy said:
    So over the past few years Google has mimicked Apple more, tightening up security, running their app store similarly to Apple's, and noticeably improving user control over privacy, and received chiding for it. Mimicry apparently works both ways.

    Here comes Apple. 
    Sophistry, however, only appears to work one way.
    pscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 43
    asterionasterion Posts: 112member
    Talk about losing the plot…
    elijahg
  • Reply 24 of 43
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,469member

    gatorguy said:
    So over the past few years Google has mimicked Apple more, tightening up security, running their app store similarly to Apple's, and noticeably improving user control over privacy, and received chiding for it. Mimicry apparently works both ways.

    Here comes Apple. 
    Sophistry, however, only appears to work one way.
    I agree with you. It matters not which platform it's coming from. It's all intended to frame things in one way, the one that benefits the device seller.
    edited August 15 ctt_zhelijahg
  • Reply 25 of 43
    JP234JP234 Posts: 530member
    davidw said:
    If you are using an Apple device, then technically, that is not an "ad". 

    That's what is called a distinction without a difference!
    muthuk_vanalingambeowulfschmidtelijahg
  • Reply 26 of 43
    gatorguy said:
    Just now I remembered something another member said just a few months ago, and that he assured us was true. That on-device file scanning and reporting to Apple that's assumed to be just about discovering child porn was claimed to have as much to do with upcoming Apple advertising plans. We thought he was nuts, but now I'm not so sure. 
    He is nuts. Resist an impulse to join him.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 43
    Why does everyone cling to the Jobs fantasy? He is dead and the fairy tale has been over for quite some time. Apple is not the same company as it was a decade ago or even 20 years ago. It is likely to have been a failure if it tried to stay that way. Jobs hand picked Cook. He knew exactly what he was picking.

    This is business. There are billions on the table and why should they walk away from it? Why should they let another company take the money? Their job is to make money for their owners. 

    You can not escape this by dumping Apple and going over to the dark side. It will only be worse and cost you a lot of money to make a change that you will regret.


    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 43
    davidwdavidw Posts: 1,686member
    crowley said:
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    docbburk said:
    If apple puts ads in core is apps, I'm  out.  That cheapens the product and knocks them down closer to the slime that is google. That would take the premium away from the product, so the only way it would be worth getting an iPhone is of they cut the price in half, or gave it away. I value not seeing BS ads and being spammed. 
    They already do.  I get bugged about subscribing to Apple Music pretty damn often.
    If you are using an Apple device, then technically, that is not an "ad". Apple is not making any money from charging themselves for placing "ads" advertising their own products. That is Apple promoting one of their own product, on their own platform. (Not that it makes it any less bothersome.) But it's something that the EU DMA say that "gatekeepers" can not do because its anti-competitive and that crybaby CEO of Spotify gets all bent out of shape about (when it comes to Apple Music). Not sure if the UK will be enforcing this when the EU DMA goes into affect. But it was also one of the main issue of the US Senate bill (pertaining to promoting ones own product on ones own platform), that hasn't been voted on yet because it doesn't have enough support. 

    It's no different than me getting bugged all the time to purchase more iCloud space, whenever it runs low on one of my Apple devices. Or walking into a McDonalds and seeing big posters on their special deal to "super size" your meal. Or while watching a TV show, seeing a 15 seconds blurb during a commercial break, reminding you to  stay tune for a new episode of The Simpsons coming up next.   

    Now if you are getting bugged to subscribe to Spotify (or me getting bugged to purchase more One Drive space), while using an Apple app on an Apple device, then that's an "ad". Apple is charging and making money from placing those "ads" in their Apple apps.  When you do a Google search and there are links that has the word "AD" in bold text and in front of it, those are links to "ads", that Google is getting paid for placing in your search results.    
    In all meaningful senses it's an ad.  Pointless post.
    In all meaningful sense, those are not the "ads" that this article is referring to and I was pointing that out.  This article is about Apple trying to increase its ad revenue (business) by placing more paid "ads" in their apps. There is no way that placing "ads" for Apple Music on their own platform, will increase their ad revenue. But it might serve to increase revenue from getting more Apple Music subscribers.

    So that's 2 pointless post by you on this. I'm pretty sure you're going to strike out by making a 3rd.     
  • Reply 29 of 43
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    docbburk said:
    If apple puts ads in core is apps, I'm  out.  That cheapens the product and knocks them down closer to the slime that is google. That would take the premium away from the product, so the only way it would be worth getting an iPhone is of they cut the price in half, or gave it away. I value not seeing BS ads and being spammed. 
    They already do.  I get bugged about subscribing to Apple Music pretty damn often.
    If you are using an Apple device, then technically, that is not an "ad". Apple is not making any money from charging themselves for placing "ads" advertising their own products. That is Apple promoting one of their own product, on their own platform. (Not that it makes it any less bothersome.) But it's something that the EU DMA say that "gatekeepers" can not do because its anti-competitive and that crybaby CEO of Spotify gets all bent out of shape about (when it comes to Apple Music). Not sure if the UK will be enforcing this when the EU DMA goes into affect. But it was also one of the main issue of the US Senate bill (pertaining to promoting ones own product on ones own platform), that hasn't been voted on yet because it doesn't have enough support. 

    It's no different than me getting bugged all the time to purchase more iCloud space, whenever it runs low on one of my Apple devices. Or walking into a McDonalds and seeing big posters on their special deal to "super size" your meal. Or while watching a TV show, seeing a 15 seconds blurb during a commercial break, reminding you to  stay tune for a new episode of The Simpsons coming up next.   

    Now if you are getting bugged to subscribe to Spotify (or me getting bugged to purchase more One Drive space), while using an Apple app on an Apple device, then that's an "ad". Apple is charging and making money from placing those "ads" in their Apple apps.  When you do a Google search and there are links that has the word "AD" in bold text and in front of it, those are links to "ads", that Google is getting paid for placing in your search results.    
    In all meaningful senses it's an ad.  Pointless post.
    In all meaningful sense, those are not the "ads" that this article is referring to and I was pointing that out.  This article is about Apple trying to increase its ad revenue (business) by placing more paid "ads" in their apps. There is no way that placing "ads" for Apple Music on their own platform, will increase their ad revenue. But it might serve to increase revenue from getting more Apple Music subscribers.

    So that's 2 pointless post by you on this. I'm pretty sure you're going to strike out by making a 3rd.     
    Perhaps you should read back. My original post was about how Apple have no qualms about annoying users with ads for their own services, in direct reply to someone who was valuing Apples premium ad-free products.

    You’ve interjected yourself with pedantry, again. Here’s some free advice, when you’re tempted to write a post that begins with anything like “actually, technically…” then don’t. Just don’t. No one cares.
    muthuk_vanalingamctt_zhelijahg
  • Reply 30 of 43
    I’m one step from selling all my Apple stuff and moving wholly to Linux. Computer, phone the lot. Do it Apple and I’ll cancel all my subscriptions, sell my MacBook Pro M1 Max, iPhone 13 Pro Max, iPhone 12 Pro Max, iPhone XS Max, iPhone XS Max, iPhone XS, iPad Pro 12.9”, Apple TV, Apple speakers and build a monster pc ,run Linux on it and buy a pixel and run Linux on that. Every piece of software I use can be run on Linux so no loss to me. I’ve spent many thousands on Apple products for a reason. Ads were the reason I left pc and Google. Do it Apple. Just watch your customer base flee. 
    edited August 16 elijahg
  • Reply 31 of 43
    igorskyigorsky Posts: 650member
    Gotta love people losing their $hit over an uncorroborated report.
  • Reply 32 of 43
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,698member
    gatorguy said:

    gatorguy said:
    So over the past few years Google has mimicked Apple more, tightening up security, running their app store similarly to Apple's, and noticeably improving user control over privacy, and received chiding for it. Mimicry apparently works both ways.

    Here comes Apple. 
    Sophistry, however, only appears to work one way.
    I agree with you. It matters not which platform it's coming from. It's all intended to frame things in one way, the one that benefits the device seller.
    A very practiced attempt at deflection, but everyone knows you are the master of sophistry.
  • Reply 33 of 43
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,650member
    I see ads in the App Store, but the ads are for apps and usually show me something very similar to what I was searching for. This article says there are ads in News and Stocks but I don’t see any ads in either of those (unless links to news stories about the company whose stock ticker I’m currently viewing count as ads). 

    Can anyone show me what an ad in News or Stocks looks like?
    I get ads despite paying for News+ and it pisses me off. They're iAds so supplied by Apple, not embedded by the news outlet. Cook is apparently happy to degrade the user experience to keep fattening that wallet in more and more ways.

    Apple added advertising in Sherlock back in the Classic days, and people were rightly pissed off. Jobs realised the error and had all the ads removed, they were a bad experience for customers.

    Cook on the other hand is so arrogant that he couldn't care less what customer experience is as long as the dollars keep rolling in. He doesn't fit Apple's DNA, and never has. He needs to go. 
  • Reply 34 of 43
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,650member
    tommikele said:
    Why does everyone cling to the Jobs fantasy? He is dead and the fairy tale has been over for quite some time. Apple is not the same company as it was a decade ago or even 20 years ago. It is likely to have been a failure if it tried to stay that way. Jobs hand picked Cook. He knew exactly what he was picking.

    This is business. There are billions on the table and why should they walk away from it? Why should they let another company take the money? Their job is to make money for their owners. 

    You can not escape this by dumping Apple and going over to the dark side. It will only be worse and cost you a lot of money to make a change that you will regret.


    They should walk away from it because those billions are many orders of magnitude less than the money they rake in from iPhones. Even a small dip in customer satisfaction due to being advertised at will result in less sales, and a small dip in sales will completely wipe out any extra revenue they get from advertising - and it's hard to build customer satisfaction and loyalty, but very easy to lose it.
    appleinsideruser
  • Reply 35 of 43
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,650member
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    docbburk said:
    If apple puts ads in core is apps, I'm  out.  That cheapens the product and knocks them down closer to the slime that is google. That would take the premium away from the product, so the only way it would be worth getting an iPhone is of they cut the price in half, or gave it away. I value not seeing BS ads and being spammed. 
    They already do.  I get bugged about subscribing to Apple Music pretty damn often.
    If you are using an Apple device, then technically, that is not an "ad". Apple is not making any money from charging themselves for placing "ads" advertising their own products. That is Apple promoting one of their own product, on their own platform. (Not that it makes it any less bothersome.) But it's something that the EU DMA say that "gatekeepers" can not do because its anti-competitive and that crybaby CEO of Spotify gets all bent out of shape about (when it comes to Apple Music). Not sure if the UK will be enforcing this when the EU DMA goes into affect. But it was also one of the main issue of the US Senate bill (pertaining to promoting ones own product on ones own platform), that hasn't been voted on yet because it doesn't have enough support. 

    It's no different than me getting bugged all the time to purchase more iCloud space, whenever it runs low on one of my Apple devices. Or walking into a McDonalds and seeing big posters on their special deal to "super size" your meal. Or while watching a TV show, seeing a 15 seconds blurb during a commercial break, reminding you to  stay tune for a new episode of The Simpsons coming up next.   

    Now if you are getting bugged to subscribe to Spotify (or me getting bugged to purchase more One Drive space), while using an Apple app on an Apple device, then that's an "ad". Apple is charging and making money from placing those "ads" in their Apple apps.  When you do a Google search and there are links that has the word "AD" in bold text and in front of it, those are links to "ads", that Google is getting paid for placing in your search results.    
    In all meaningful senses it's an ad.  Pointless post.
    In all meaningful sense, those are not the "ads" that this article is referring to and I was pointing that out.  This article is about Apple trying to increase its ad revenue (business) by placing more paid "ads" in their apps. There is no way that placing "ads" for Apple Music on their own platform, will increase their ad revenue. But it might serve to increase revenue from getting more Apple Music subscribers.

    So that's 2 pointless post by you on this. I'm pretty sure you're going to strike out by making a 3rd.     
    Except it will increase ad revenue, because using tracking links they can attribute the revenue from someone clicking an ad and subscribing to Apple Music to the advert; therefore increasing revenue.
  • Reply 36 of 43
    elijahg said:
    I see ads in the App Store, but the ads are for apps and usually show me something very similar to what I was searching for. This article says there are ads in News and Stocks but I don’t see any ads in either of those (unless links to news stories about the company whose stock ticker I’m currently viewing count as ads). 

    Can anyone show me what an ad in News or Stocks looks like?
    I get ads despite paying for News+ and it pisses me off. They're iAds so supplied by Apple, not embedded by the news outlet.
    Can you screenshot one? I don’t see any on my iPhone or iPad. I just checked now and I don’t see any one either (or if I do I’m unaware they are ads). I haven’t checked my Mac but I don’t really do news on it much.

    The only time I see ads are when I click through, some articles will have them but they don’t appear to be iAds. I get “Recommended Reads” and “Related Stories” but I don’t count those as ads. Maybe I should?
  • Reply 37 of 43
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,650member
    elijahg said:
    I see ads in the App Store, but the ads are for apps and usually show me something very similar to what I was searching for. This article says there are ads in News and Stocks but I don’t see any ads in either of those (unless links to news stories about the company whose stock ticker I’m currently viewing count as ads). 

    Can anyone show me what an ad in News or Stocks looks like?
    I get ads despite paying for News+ and it pisses me off. They're iAds so supplied by Apple, not embedded by the news outlet.
    Can you screenshot one? I don’t see any on my iPhone or iPad. I just checked now and I don’t see any one either (or if I do I’m unaware they are ads). I haven’t checked my Mac but I don’t really do news on it much.

    The only time I see ads are when I click through, some articles will have them but they don’t appear to be iAds. I get “Recommended Reads” and “Related Stories” but I don’t count those as ads. Maybe I should?
    Sure thing, here's one. Clicking the blue link also reveals some interesting info, also attached. Since reading that I have turned off location services for News and the App Store, since they seem to think it's ok to use App Store location to serve geographic ads in News. I do not want Apple using my location for their own purposes, "anonymised" or not. I was not informed upfront that it would be used for advertising and therefore profiling. Both of which are very Google.

    EDIT: Forgot that I also get full screen ads when swiping left/right through stories. Extremely intrusive, especially for a paid service. That and ads in the feed too. The ads are pretty trashy, and I even just got an ad for a Honor phone... Makes me very glad to have an ad blocker - but I shouldn't need to.

    edited August 16 avon b7muthuk_vanalingamappleinsideruser
  • Reply 38 of 43
    elijahg said:
    elijahg said:
    I see ads in the App Store, but the ads are for apps and usually show me something very similar to what I was searching for. This article says there are ads in News and Stocks but I don’t see any ads in either of those (unless links to news stories about the company whose stock ticker I’m currently viewing count as ads). 

    Can anyone show me what an ad in News or Stocks looks like?
    I get ads despite paying for News+ and it pisses me off. They're iAds so supplied by Apple, not embedded by the news outlet.
    Can you screenshot one? I don’t see any on my iPhone or iPad. I just checked now and I don’t see any one either (or if I do I’m unaware they are ads). I haven’t checked my Mac but I don’t really do news on it much.

    The only time I see ads are when I click through, some articles will have them but they don’t appear to be iAds. I get “Recommended Reads” and “Related Stories” but I don’t count those as ads. Maybe I should?
    Sure thing, here's one. Clicking the blue link also reveals some interesting info, also attached.
    Huh, I don’t get any of this sort of thing. I’m an Apple One subscriber so perhaps that makes a difference.

    I think I found the same article that’s in your screenshot. Here’s what mine looks like:

    I don’t typically swipe from one article to another, but I have on occasion and never had a full screen ad show up like yours.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining about not seeing ads, but it’s super confusing to me when I see an article like this which seems completely detached from what I experience.
  • Reply 39 of 43
    So basically they’re pushing out Facebook and Google in a lesser extend, and now they do the same thing.

    What a shit strategy. Booh Apple, booh.
    muthuk_vanalingamelijahg
  • Reply 40 of 43
    crowley said:
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    docbburk said:
    If apple puts ads in core is apps, I'm  out.  That cheapens the product and knocks them down closer to the slime that is google. That would take the premium away from the product, so the only way it would be worth getting an iPhone is of they cut the price in half, or gave it away. I value not seeing BS ads and being spammed. 
    They already do.  I get bugged about subscribing to Apple Music pretty damn often.
    If you are using an Apple device, then technically, that is not an "ad". Apple is not making any money from charging themselves for placing "ads" advertising their own products. That is Apple promoting one of their own product, on their own platform. (Not that it makes it any less bothersome.) But it's something that the EU DMA say that "gatekeepers" can not do because its anti-competitive and that crybaby CEO of Spotify gets all bent out of shape about (when it comes to Apple Music). Not sure if the UK will be enforcing this when the EU DMA goes into affect. But it was also one of the main issue of the US Senate bill (pertaining to promoting ones own product on ones own platform), that hasn't been voted on yet because it doesn't have enough support. 

    It's no different than me getting bugged all the time to purchase more iCloud space, whenever it runs low on one of my Apple devices. Or walking into a McDonalds and seeing big posters on their special deal to "super size" your meal. Or while watching a TV show, seeing a 15 seconds blurb during a commercial break, reminding you to  stay tune for a new episode of The Simpsons coming up next.   

    Now if you are getting bugged to subscribe to Spotify (or me getting bugged to purchase more One Drive space), while using an Apple app on an Apple device, then that's an "ad". Apple is charging and making money from placing those "ads" in their Apple apps.  When you do a Google search and there are links that has the word "AD" in bold text and in front of it, those are links to "ads", that Google is getting paid for placing in your search results.    
    In all meaningful senses it's an ad.  Pointless post.
    No it is not! At least provide arguments instead of dismissing someone’s post with a juvenile one-liner. It’s arrogant and unnecessary.
    appleinsideruser
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