Cook praises 'symbiotic' 30-year relationship with China

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  • Reply 21 of 61
    timmilleatimmillea Posts: 244member
    This discussion demonstrates how well the right-wing media in the US is controlled. 

    It is easy to be anti-Russia at the moment because it is waging a popular war against Ukraine. Should I mention Vietnam or Iraq or countless other US interventions, including false-flag to provoke other wars?

    But what is that to do with Tim Cook's visit to China, the country, not at war, that supplies most of Apple's products?

    The recent Tiktok US Congress debacle was worthy of McCarthy. 

    Even dictators govern by consent. How a government obtains that consent is questionable. It still looks very questionable in the US to me - it appears to be a dictatorship of big money. 
    waveparticle9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 22 of 61
    Can't wait to see how "symbiotic" it is when we've enriched the CCP's economy and military enough that they can dominate the world with Communism. Way to go Timmy Boy!
    I think you need to work on some vocabulary.
    9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 61
    mainyehc said:
    Can't wait to see how "symbiotic" it is when we've enriched the CCP's economy and military enough that they can dominate the world with Communism. Way to go Timmy Boy!
    The problem is, it’s not even Socialism, let alone Communism, and even if it was Socialism, it wouldn’t be of the democratic variety.

    Any Socialist worth their salt, with two or more brain cells, knows that kowtowing to the CCP is A Very Bad Idea™.

    You’re not supposed to deepthroat the boot, Timmy, only lick it until you can find an alternative. 
    :| 
    What exactly is it you think is going on? You just seem to be dumping random vocab words and hoping no one pays too close attention to any of it. That and taking belittling and mildly homophobic potshots at Cook.
    radarthekat9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 61
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL. 

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    radarthekat9secondkox2muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 25 of 61
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,308member
    If apple were not in the process of diversifying away from china, I’d find these words troubling.

    But apple is diversifying away from china, so I think Tim Cook is being wise here. An amicable divorce is much better for apple than an acrimonious divorce.
    radarthekat9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 61
    ITGUYINSDITGUYINSD Posts: 516member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    Interested in what your definition of pornography is?  Did you hear about the headmaster of an Arts school in Florida that was fired this week because she introduced Michelangelo's statue of David to  a sixth grade class and 3 parents out of 100 complained?  3% now wield the power.  Nudity isn't porn.
    waveparticleavon b7roundaboutnowtmayradarthekat9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,348member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    edited March 2023
  • Reply 28 of 61
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    Now that's the interesting aspect. Dictators do not attack foreign countries, as long as they don't need to cover up for internal (national) difficulties. Because it's so easy to rally the stupid masses against the 'other tribe' (typically people(s) of different countries, religion, skin color, sexual preferences), that's 'obviously guilty of all our problems'. The right wing approach of blaming others, showing lot's of successes in the more and more deteriorating 'global north'.

    China isn't there (yet), since they still can gain a lot by being friendly and so far they managed to cut off the money elite (the ultra rich) before they become dangerous. Wealth is good, the ultra rich are not for a society as a whole.

    Russia never had much beyond their natural resources and the pride of their former greatness. They ended in the money-oligarchy were very few ultra-rich people got all the wealth choking Russian society since the nineties and Putin managed to choke the ultra-rich under his own person. No opposition in an economic downfall combined with egotistical Oligarchs. Quite obvious, that this only can end in war.

    China might try to bring back Taiwan into it's fold, which shouldn't even be a big issue since Taiwan is mostly not recognized under international law as it's own country (even the US does not recognize it btw). So why even bother beyond sable rattling. It becomes more obvious every year that the US itself can't cope with it's internal problems any longer leading to right-wing White Christian Nationalists financed by the super-rich to idiot leaders like Trump etc.

    Compared to China I guess the US is at a far higher risk to fall apart starting a new war. Which worked in the last decades (since the fall of the soviet union), but no longer as now there is a country again that can say 'Stop' with enough power to back it up.

    The destructive approach by the 'global north' against China (adding tariffs, sanctions, import bans etc), which is proven to be highly ineffective stopping a regime (e.g. Iran, North Korea), might well lead to enough local pressure that Xina might change it's mind though and go on the offensive.

    We are living in dangerous times!

    The 'global north' needs to drop it's arrogant attitude against the 'global south' that's based on colonialist ideas, start solving it's internal problems and deal with the 'global south' on an equal footing or it will fall hard and fast during a bloody war (as happened to Germany in the last century).
  • Reply 29 of 61
    jfabula1jfabula1 Posts: 138member
    longfang said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Name 1 dictator who attacked you.
    I can name 1 dictator that we attacked….Sadam anyone??? Hehe
    Remember that slum dunk that they have nuke in UN? Well that was a DUD, hahaha
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 30 of 61
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,259member
    ITGUYINSD said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    Interested in what your definition of pornography is?  Did you hear about the headmaster of an Arts school in Florida that was fired this week because she introduced Michelangelo's statue of David to  a sixth grade class and 3 parents out of 100 complained?  3% now wield the power.  Nudity isn't porn.
    The .06% representing the trans movement seem to wield a lot of power too. 
  • Reply 31 of 61
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,843moderator
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    The life of Rosa Parks
    1984

    shall I go on?  
    tmay9secondkox2
  • Reply 32 of 61
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    LOL Revelation 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    9secondkox2
  • Reply 33 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,729member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    The life of Rosa Parks
    1984

    shall I go on?  
    Rosa would be ashamed of people using her name to justify such things. Get real dude. 

    She wouldn’t back down to a culture that was unjustly pushing her and other people of color around, minimizing their humanity and unjustly controlling their lives. 

    Protecting kids from pornographic content where sexual acts are described in detail should be something everyone gets behind. Parents are the ones who raise their kids, teach good morals, and protect them from the filth that’s out there during the impressionable years. Sneaking that crap into grade schools is sick. You get Rosa’s name out of your mouth trying to say she would support such evil. Kids go to school to be educated, not groomed. 

    The air conditioner and gas stove thing sounds small but it’s more control. Trying to put parents behind the government when it comes to raising kids is alarming overreach. Thank God for a Congress that passed a bill ensuring parents get to know what schools are pushing on their kids. 

    Don’t taint the name of a truly great woman by adding her name to your agenda. She did not and would not support it. If you really knew anything about her, you’d know she was a woman of faith with high moral standards and who would be campaigning to have the children of this country protected from the filth constantly pushed on them by those who know better. 



  • Reply 34 of 61
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    The life of Rosa Parks
    1984

    shall I go on?  
    Rosa would be ashamed of people using her name to justify such things. Get real dude. 

    She wouldn’t back down to a culture that was unjustly pushing her and other people of color around, minimizing their humanity and unjustly controlling their lives. 

    Protecting kids from pornographic content where sexual acts are described in detail should be something everyone gets behind. Parents are the ones who raise their kids, teach good morals, and protect them from the filth that’s out there during the impressionable years. Sneaking that crap into grade schools is sick. You get Rosa’s name out of your mouth trying to say she would support such evil. Kids go to school to be educated, not groomed. 

    The air conditioner and gas stove thing sounds small but it’s more control. Trying to put parents behind the government when it comes to raising kids is alarming overreach. Thank God for a Congress that passed a bill ensuring parents get to know what schools are pushing on their kids. 

    Don’t taint the name of a truly great woman by adding her name to your agenda. She did not and would not support it. If you really knew anything about her, you’d know she was a woman of faith with high moral standards and who would be campaigning to have the children of this country protected from the filth constantly pushed on them by those who know better. 
    "The Life Of Rosa Parks" is a book you nitwit.
  • Reply 35 of 61
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,729member
    chutzpah said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    The life of Rosa Parks
    1984

    shall I go on?  
    Rosa would be ashamed of people using her name to justify such things. Get real dude. 

    She wouldn’t back down to a culture that was unjustly pushing her and other people of color around, minimizing their humanity and unjustly controlling their lives. 

    Protecting kids from pornographic content where sexual acts are described in detail should be something everyone gets behind. Parents are the ones who raise their kids, teach good morals, and protect them from the filth that’s out there during the impressionable years. Sneaking that crap into grade schools is sick. You get Rosa’s name out of your mouth trying to say she would support such evil. Kids go to school to be educated, not groomed. 

    The air conditioner and gas stove thing sounds small but it’s more control. Trying to put parents behind the government when it comes to raising kids is alarming overreach. Thank God for a Congress that passed a bill ensuring parents get to know what schools are pushing on their kids. 

    Don’t taint the name of a truly great woman by adding her name to your agenda. She did not and would not support it. If you really knew anything about her, you’d know she was a woman of faith with high moral standards and who would be campaigning to have the children of this country protected from the filth constantly pushed on them by those who know better. 
    "The Life Of Rosa Parks" is a book you nitwit.
    Kind of the point, tiwtin. 

    It was a perspective about her not from herself, but others appropriating her story for their agenda. Not hers. 

    She wanted equality, not perpetual racism being pushed under “Critical Race Theory.”
  • Reply 36 of 61
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    edited March 2023 muthuk_vanalingamwaveparticle
  • Reply 37 of 61
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,348member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    edited March 2023
  • Reply 38 of 61
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    Thirty years of unprecedented progress is also indisputable. 

    Millions of people pulled up above the poverty line. 

    Economic growth always peaks at some point but what do we have as a result? 

    Just take a look at infrastructure. How is the plan for high speed rail going in the US? 

    Just take a look at manufacturing. How is that going in the US? 

    Just take a look at science. China has largely caught up with the US in many areas. 

    Just take a look at the DSR and BRI. Does the US have anything similar? 

    Apple has been able to take advantage of that every step of the way. 

    It is difficult to predict the future but the past is there, staring you right in the face. It's a pity you don't dare open your eyes. 

    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 39 of 61
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    chutzpah said:
    proline said:
    JP234 said:
    Sounds like an ill-timed, but productive visit. Certain elements in the Legislature and right wing media are sure to make hay out of it. But if you ask me, good business ties with China are super important, even in the face of recent geopolitical events. China will to be less inclined to damage their best customer.
    Lol. Do you think Russia is less inclined to damage us after we
    — gave them Ukraine’s nukes
    — gave them the USSR spot on the security council
    — shut down our own rocket engine manufacturing and made our rockets dependent on their engines
    — made them key partners in the ISS
    — let them genocide Chechnya
    — let them conquer Georgia and Moldova and Crimea
    — gave them Big Macs and iPhones

    Of course not. Dictators can’t stop themselves from attacking us. We need to be ready. Apple is making us dependent rather than ready. 
    Wow! All Russia's fault. US is the victim. Hate Russia, LOL.

    The US is very young compared to Asian countries, particularly China. Unfortunately, because they are the current "world leader", that has gone to their heads, and no other country can be as great. That's the illusion right there. World powers come and go, and have for eons. The US will lose their dominance eventually. And we can only hope that the next world power will be democratic. and more mature and advanced than the current US leadership and population.
    True only when it’s allowed to happen. Strangely, our government is now more concerned with gas stoves and air conditioners than they are with innovation, marketplace excellence and military superiority. Recipe for disaster. 
    It’s really only a certain segment obsessed with gas stoves.  Hint: it’s the same segment who are banning books.  Maybe you need to take a break from that rhetoric.  It’ll do your heart good.  
    There is no rhetoric coming from me. 

    Banning books? You mean the books with pornographic content in the libraries of schoolchildren?  And you think that’s bad? Parents across the country are confronting school boards over this. It’s everywhere. That’s not making books illegal. It’s getting them out of inappropriate places where impressionable kids can get into it and back to where adults can choose to read it or not. 

    Wow. 

    A stove or air conditioner can’t corrupt a child. Adult content can. It doesn’t belong in public schools. 

    And the air conditioner thing was reported on today. Coming from the executive branch. Federally. Not a small segment. 

    And that’s more attention than our military strength and growth is getting and more than our economy is getting. That’s not rhetoric. It’s the way it is. 
    The life of Rosa Parks
    1984

    shall I go on?  
    Rosa would be ashamed of people using her name to justify such things. Get real dude. 

    She wouldn’t back down to a culture that was unjustly pushing her and other people of color around, minimizing their humanity and unjustly controlling their lives. 

    Protecting kids from pornographic content where sexual acts are described in detail should be something everyone gets behind. Parents are the ones who raise their kids, teach good morals, and protect them from the filth that’s out there during the impressionable years. Sneaking that crap into grade schools is sick. You get Rosa’s name out of your mouth trying to say she would support such evil. Kids go to school to be educated, not groomed. 

    The air conditioner and gas stove thing sounds small but it’s more control. Trying to put parents behind the government when it comes to raising kids is alarming overreach. Thank God for a Congress that passed a bill ensuring parents get to know what schools are pushing on their kids. 

    Don’t taint the name of a truly great woman by adding her name to your agenda. She did not and would not support it. If you really knew anything about her, you’d know she was a woman of faith with high moral standards and who would be campaigning to have the children of this country protected from the filth constantly pushed on them by those who know better. 
    "The Life Of Rosa Parks" is a book you nitwit.
    Kind of the point, tiwtin. 

    It was a perspective about her not from herself, but others appropriating her story for their agenda. Not hers. 

    She wanted equality, not perpetual racism being pushed under “Critical Race Theory.”
    Tell me you haven't read a book without telling me you haven't read a book.
    tmay
  • Reply 40 of 61
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    nzhong168 said:
    Wow, US is becoming such a place with hatred.  Apple CEO just visited China and praise workers are innovative and he became a target。 He didn't praise CCP, neither support human right abuse. He just said something not wrong. Chinese are innovative, just like American. now he is labelled as doing propaganda for CCP.  I see American become more like CCP, bully and harass anyone who isn't doing exact what they like.   It is like extreme right speaking to extreme left, both are very SICK people. If you don't like what the CEO said,  you can choose not to buy Apple product, they are mostly made in China nowaday.
    https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1639275172325629958

    Huawei awards ceremony...I love the gooses stepping...
    Yeah. That's the word: ceremony.

    It may look cheesy to some on the outside but it's not so much for a large part of the population. Goose stepping. Yeah. Used in what? Over 70 countries worldwide? 

    It is a cultural thing and if you care to look to any country, you'll see plenty of things that look cheesy to people on the outside.

    In the case of the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is one such example. Some might say that is shocking. 

    It sometimes used by Huawei, which is said to adopt a wolf-like culture within certain areas of the company and often uses military-style commentary to motivate workers - but not for world domination or to go out and kill people. LOL

    It's cultural and cultures vary. 

    The post you were replying too made no reference to goose stepping or Huawei. 

    Tim Cook is celebrating 30 years of progress between China and Apple. Neither are even remotely the same as thirty years ago. Worth celebrating for sure. 

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"

    Hardly shocking. 

    "under God", added to the Pledge in 1950, has been challenged unsuccessfully, but otherwise, it is not required that any citizen, at any age, participate in the Pledge of Allegiance.

    What I saw in the Huawei video, is a perfect example of a State Owned Enterprise in operation in China, with an undercurrent of militarism.

    As for culture, it is expected that participants in the Global Economy support basic rules of order, as proffered by the U.N., one of which is you don't invade or threaten your neighbors, or violate human rights, and that is precisely why China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and other authoritarian countries are being reduced or removed as participants in the global economy, and sanctioned by the West.


    What nonsense. 

    It's only a perfect example of a ceremonial act. 

    Cook was talking about the mutual good Apple and China have achieved through their relationship. 

    You fail to see, and it is willful on your part, that both entities have progressed positively over those thirty years.

    I won't even comment on your claims that countries shouldn't threaten neighbours or commit human rights abuses. How could you say that with a straight face? They shouldn't, covertly or otherwise, instigate regime change in sovereign nations either, should they! Mr. Kettle. 

    And yes, for some people, the Pledge of Allegiance is absolutely shocking. But so is US gun culture. 

    Sit down, reflect, and try to actually understand what Cook was trying to get over. 

    Look beyond the geopolitics of the last four years. 
    Uhm, you do realize that under Xi, China has gone back to an (almost) totalitarian dictatorship in those thirty years, and that Xi will likely remain Chairman of the CCP for life. This fact is indisputable. China is no longer progressing, and has likely to have peaked its economic growth, but continues to build up its military.

    Yes, I willfully acknowledge that China has become a threat to the existing rules of order. 

    You don't have any facts to prove your assertions.  Revelation 22:15: Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.  
    edited March 2023
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