Russia claims Apple is helping US spy on thousands of iPhone users

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in iPhone edited June 2023
Russia says that the National Security Agency (NSA) has been spying on Russian officials and civilians using iPhone backdoor vulnerabilities created for the US by Apple.

Moscow, Russia
Moscow, Russia

The NSA has previously tried to get public opinion on its side as it objects to Apple's refusal to give it access to user data. But now the Federal Security Office (FSB) of Russia claims that Apple has given the NSA backdoor access after all.

According to Reuters, the FSB says that it has uncovered an NSA plot that utilized previously unknown malware to access these backdoors. It's not clear why malware would be needed if there were already backdoor access, but the FSB says several thousand iPhones in Russia were infected.

"The FSB has uncovered an intelligence action of the American special services using Apple mobile devices," the FSB said in a statement seen by Reuters. "[Apple] provides American intelligence agencies with a wide range of opportunities to monitor any persons of interest to the White House and their partners in anti-Russian activities, and their own citizens.

Reportedly, the "intelligence action" targeted the iPhones of domestic Russian citizens, plus foreign diplomats based in Russia, including ones from Israel, Syria and China.

The FSB claims to have uncovered the NSA's plot with the help of Russia's Federal Guards Service, which is an agency that protects the country's leaders.

Neither Apple nor the NSA have commented.

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  • Reply 1 of 30
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,825member
    ...and Ukraine invaded Russia on 24th February 2022...
    killroyapplebynaturecpsrojony0blastdoorcaladanianhammeroftruthJFC_PAericthehalfbeeseanj
  • Reply 2 of 30
    jrfunkjrfunk Posts: 11member
    Totally possible! We would never know! Like Apple gonna admit to something like that? 🧐
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  • Reply 3 of 30
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    So mean of the USA!  Bombing peaceful neighbouring countries is much more polite.
    jas99killroyjony0nubuscaladanianseanjwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 30
    joogabahjoogabah Posts: 139member
    chutzpah said:
    So mean of the USA!  Bombing peaceful neighbouring countries is much more polite.
    No hypocrisy there at all.  America never bombs other countries or invades and topples other governments, even on false pretexts.  And America had nothing to do with Ukraine's 2014 coup either.  And it didn't state explicitly its plan to balkanize Russia as a prelude to war with China which it can't compete against.
    muthuk_vanalingamPhoenix303georgie01bloggerblogMystakill
  • Reply 5 of 30
    georgie01georgie01 Posts: 437member
    joogabah said:

    No hypocrisy there at all.  America never bombs other countries or invades and topples other governments, even on false pretexts.  And America had nothing to do with Ukraine's 2014 coup either.  And it didn't state explicitly its plan to balkanize Russia as a prelude to war with China which it can't compete against.
    Yes, long gone are the days when we could point the finger at other ‘evil’ countries as if the US and the West are much different. There was a time when the US was impressive, but we’re just standing on those past successes thinking we can redefine obvious truths and be successful when in reality we’re on a downward spiral. We need to fix ourselves before complaining about Russia.
    libertymatterswatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 30
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,437member
    georgie01 said:
    joogabah said:

    No hypocrisy there at all.  America never bombs other countries or invades and topples other governments, even on false pretexts.  And America had nothing to do with Ukraine's 2014 coup either.  And it didn't state explicitly its plan to balkanize Russia as a prelude to war with China which it can't compete against.
    Yes, long gone are the days when we could point the finger at other ‘evil’ countries as if the US and the West are much different. There was a time when the US was impressive, but we’re just standing on those past successes thinking we can redefine obvious truths and be successful when in reality we’re on a downward spiral. We need to fix ourselves before complaining about Russia.
    LOL!

    Russia has 1/4 of its people using outhouses, and living like serfs.

    Russia is a failed state that is only really good at depopulating itself, and its neighbors, most of whom want to be economically tied to the EU and the West. The U.S., for all its faults, isn't even in contention for the "evil" that Russia is showing itself to have.
    killroyjony0blastdoorCluntBaby92williamlondonMystakilljas99StrangeDaysseanjwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 30
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,883member
    The claims should be backed up with evidence. That's a reasonable proposal.

    The same way people have asked the US to back up their claims with regards to back doors in Chinese made technology. 

    The US failed to provide any evidence whatsoever so I imagine Russia will try to do the same. 

    Is the NSA up to no good? Definitely! Just take a look at its track record. But then so are the intelligence agencies of every nation.

    Until evidence is put on the table nothing can be believed. 

    That said, the chances of another Snowden episode are probably more like to come out of the US. 

    The impact on Apple/iPhone? Who knows, but the risk of a ban was there from day one and that should never be forgotten. 


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  • Reply 8 of 30
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    joogabah said:
    chutzpah said:
    So mean of the USA!  Bombing peaceful neighbouring countries is much more polite.
    No hypocrisy there at all.  America never bombs other countries or invades and topples other governments, even on false pretexts.  And America had nothing to do with Ukraine's 2014 coup either.  And it didn't state explicitly its plan to balkanize Russia as a prelude to war with China which it can't compete against.
    No hypocrisy at all.  I've never done any of those things.
    williamlondonjas99
  • Reply 9 of 30
    killroykillroy Posts: 279member
    Who needs the NSA. NSO Will give you all the malware you need for iPhones and android phones.
    Just ask Mr. Khashoggi. oh he's dead.

    edited June 2023 applebynaturehydrogenlordjohnwhorfinjas99hammeroftruth
  • Reply 10 of 30
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,922member
    This "plot" is probably some Pegasus-like (or just Pegasus or a version of it) spyware that is being used by American intelligence to target high value Russians and others. The CIA and FBI were already using Pegasus, so why not the NSA and other agencies, or other intelligence services.

    Almost certainly, it doesn't have anything to do with Apple, so this is just the FSB placing "blame" based on political considerations. They likely also don't really know if it's linked to the NSA or another intelligence organization, US or not. (I mean, how likely is it that the "malware" had a signature identifying it as a tool of the NSA, or any other organization) It could be the NSA, since something like this would be common for them, but it could also be another intelligence organization. It could even be the FSB's tool, and throwing blame elsewhere is just them covering their tracks.
    edited June 2023 jas99watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 30
    mac_dogmac_dog Posts: 1,074member
    Claims, plots, malware… nothing in this article is relevant until there is credible evidence. And let’s not forget the Israeli company that is selling their malware to the highest bidder. 
    Mystakilljas99killroywatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 30
    geekmeegeekmee Posts: 633member
    Doesn’t say which versions or models.
    And I am sure that Russia’s FSB had the well being of U.S. citizens in mind.
    Because they have always spoken the truth.

    edited June 2023 CluntBaby92Mystakilljas99
  • Reply 13 of 30
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,425member
    Spying on the Russians (and limitless pooh bear friends) is what the NSA and CIA are *supposed* to be doing, so good for them, I say. 
    tmayjas99killroyseanj
  • Reply 14 of 30
    jony0jony0 Posts: 380member
    iqatedo said:
    ...and Ukraine invaded Russia on 24th February 2022...
    Not quite apparently, not just Ukraine according to Vladolf Putler :


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  • Reply 15 of 30
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,425member
    joogabah said:
    chutzpah said:
    So mean of the USA!  Bombing peaceful neighbouring countries is much more polite.
    No hypocrisy there at all.  America never bombs other countries or invades and topples other governments, even on false pretexts.  And America had nothing to do with Ukraine's 2014 coup either.  And it didn't state explicitly its plan to balkanize Russia as a prelude to war with China which it can't compete against.
    "other" countries is not the same as "peaceful neighboring countries" And the rest of your post is similar twisted BS. Putin and Limitless Friend had a dream to rebuild their respective empires. The dream is crumbling. The sputtering of their little minions are the last gasps of their humiliation.   
    tmayjas99killroyjony0seanjwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 30
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,212member
    Poor Russian babies
    jony0blastdoorwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 30
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,096member
    In fact, Pegasus is probably helping out more………
    jony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 30
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,039member
    The problem with sorting these claims out is that neither Russia or the US Government respect your privacy.

    Whistleblowers have shown fairly consistently that the Feds (and lesser governments) regularly trample on your privacy rights despite a pretty clear opinion from the SCOUTS on the privacy of your devices. It was written by Chief Justice Roberts himself.

    I am sure at some level Apple is playing with the Feds - they have little to no choice in many situations - and the Feds have hacked everything from SIM Cards at the factory, to writing backdoors into industry standards, to putting up fake cell towers that scoop up all the cell data in a geographic area. Plus many more.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 30
    Like at this point anybody should believe any of the BS coming from Russia. Come on.
    nubuskillroyjony0seanjblastdoorwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 30
    russia just wants to scare people over to android, which is way way easier for russia to monitor
    killroyStrangeDaysseanjdigitolwatto_cobrajony0
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