China's iPhones ban seen as effort to restrict Apple's access to market

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A Congressman has commented that he is not surprised by China's new ban on iPhones for state employees, but it does not believe that this measure is linked to security concerns.

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China has recently imposed a new policy for the safety of its central government office workers. As part of this policy, employees cannot use their iPhones for work or even bring them into the building.

The move is an escalation of the government's existing restrictions on using foreign-designed technology, which have been in place for the past ten years. While said to be because of security concerns, U.S. House members believe it to be more a retaliation in ongoing U.S./Chinese relations.

"This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access," U.S. Representative Mike Gallagher said in an emailed statement, seen by Reuters.

While the ban took effect on Wednesday, reports have indicated it's not being enforced.

The move by China has yet to be confirmed by official sources. Conventional wisdom suggests that it may be a move to boost the home-grown Huawei's first 5G phone, since US sanctions bit.

Even though the move may be done to curb market access, most iPhones sold in China are bought by the general public -- not the government. About 19% of Apple's iPhone sales overall come from China.

Despite China's smartphone market contraction, iPhone sales to the public are expanding.

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  • Reply 1 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,981member
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    muthuk_vanalingamwaveparticleparaeeker
  • Reply 2 of 56
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,419member
    Retaliation for Huawei and TikTok hassles in the US?
    Alex_Vparaeeker
  • Reply 3 of 56
    mayflymayfly Posts: 385member
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    No way Apple would be complicit in allowing the NSA to install spyware on their iPhones for sale in China, the way the Chinese did on Huawei phones for sale here.
    StrangeDaysBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    The restrictions that the U.S. placed on Huawei Telecom, and later Huawei phones, were never in connection to Apple, so no, not close to the same thing. More to the point, China cannot afford to squeeze Apple too much, as it through its contractors employs millions.

    There have been concerns about Huawei Telecom in the West, and why Huawei should be disallowed in critical telecom infrastructure, and these have largely played out, with the exception of some holdouts in the EU who will ultimately have to remove Huawei Telecom gear. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eu-considers-mandatory-ban-using-huawei-build-5g-ft-2023-06-07/

    Still chuckling?
    edited September 2023 ronnStrangeDaysBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,981member
    mayfly said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    No way Apple would be complicit in allowing the NSA to install spyware on their iPhones for sale in China, the way the Chinese did on Huawei phones for sale here.
    There was no mention of any of that in the quoted text. It amounted to protectionism, not spying.

    Apple or Huawei wouldn't have to be complicit in anything when it comes to the NSA or Chinese equivalents. 

    We know a fair bit about the NSA's activities though thanks to Snowden. 

    As far a protectionism goes, the US had no cutting edge ICT infrastructure to protect but strong-arming Huawei out of the US (see the 2017 AT&T/Huawei situation) absolutely did protect Apple from Huawei on US soil.

    That's why the quote is laughable. 
  • Reply 6 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,981member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    The restrictions that the U.S. placed on Huawei Telecom, and later Huawei phones, were never in connection to Apple, so no, not close to the same thing. More to the point, China cannot afford to squeeze Apple too much, as it through its contractors employs millions.

    There have been concerns about Huawei Telecom in the West, and why Huawei should be disallowed in critical telecom infrastructure, and these have largely played out, with the exception of some holdouts in the EU who will ultimately have to remove Huawei Telecom gear. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eu-considers-mandatory-ban-using-huawei-build-5g-ft-2023-06-07/

    Still chuckling?
    Yes! LOL in fact. See my reply above. 
  • Reply 7 of 56
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    The restrictions that the U.S. placed on Huawei Telecom, and later Huawei phones, were never in connection to Apple, so no, not close to the same thing. More to the point, China cannot afford to squeeze Apple too much, as it through its contractors employs millions.

    There have been concerns about Huawei Telecom in the West, and why Huawei should be disallowed in critical telecom infrastructure, and these have largely played out, with the exception of some holdouts in the EU who will ultimately have to remove Huawei Telecom gear. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eu-considers-mandatory-ban-using-huawei-build-5g-ft-2023-06-07/

    Still chuckling?
    LOL US government agency will never tell Americans the truth. You were being brainwashed. The fact of the truth is US telecomm companies have been installing backdoors ever since Alexander Bell invented the telephone. The telecom companies cooperate with the manufacturer to install spyware. But US government agency cannot cooperate with Huawei to install the backdoor. Because then Huawei will know what is being installed. This is why Huawei got banned totally. Especially when Huawei sells equipment to Iran. Israel cannot install the backdoor to the equipment without Huawei knowing it. 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 8 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    avon b7 said:
    mayfly said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    No way Apple would be complicit in allowing the NSA to install spyware on their iPhones for sale in China, the way the Chinese did on Huawei phones for sale here.
    There was no mention of any of that in the quoted text. It amounted to protectionism, not spying.

    Apple or Huawei wouldn't have to be complicit in anything when it comes to the NSA or Chinese equivalents. 

    We know a fair bit about the NSA's activities though thanks to Snowden. 

    As far a protectionism goes, the US had no cutting edge ICT infrastructure to protect but strong-arming Huawei out of the US (see the 2017 AT&T/Huawei situation) absolutely did protect Apple from Huawei on US soil.

    That's why the quote is laughable. 
    LOL!

    No country is going to build out critical infrastructure with equipment from an adversary. That should be common sense. 


    ronnwilliamlondonStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    The restrictions that the U.S. placed on Huawei Telecom, and later Huawei phones, were never in connection to Apple, so no, not close to the same thing. More to the point, China cannot afford to squeeze Apple too much, as it through its contractors employs millions.

    There have been concerns about Huawei Telecom in the West, and why Huawei should be disallowed in critical telecom infrastructure, and these have largely played out, with the exception of some holdouts in the EU who will ultimately have to remove Huawei Telecom gear. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eu-considers-mandatory-ban-using-huawei-build-5g-ft-2023-06-07/

    Still chuckling?
    LOL US government agency will never tell Americans the truth. You were being brainwashed. The fact of the truth is US telecomm companies have been installing backdoors ever since Alexander Bell invented the telephone. The telecom companies cooperate with the manufacturer to install spyware. But US government agency cannot cooperate with Huawei to install the backdoor. Because then Huawei will know what is being installed. This is why Huawei got banned totally. Especially when Huawei sells equipment to Iran. Israel cannot install the backdoor to the equipment without Huawei knowing it. 
    LOL!

    Uhm, the reason that you don't install critical infrastructure from an adversary is that you would be concerned that they would leave backdoors to control that infrastructure, or even, turn it off at a critical time.

    Not the same thing as using a backdoor for spying, which, as it turns out, isn't necessary in China as they have full access anyway.
    ronnStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 56
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    The restrictions that the U.S. placed on Huawei Telecom, and later Huawei phones, were never in connection to Apple, so no, not close to the same thing. More to the point, China cannot afford to squeeze Apple too much, as it through its contractors employs millions.

    There have been concerns about Huawei Telecom in the West, and why Huawei should be disallowed in critical telecom infrastructure, and these have largely played out, with the exception of some holdouts in the EU who will ultimately have to remove Huawei Telecom gear. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eu-considers-mandatory-ban-using-huawei-build-5g-ft-2023-06-07/

    Still chuckling?
    LOL US government agency will never tell Americans the truth. You were being brainwashed. The fact of the truth is US telecomm companies have been installing backdoors ever since Alexander Bell invented the telephone. The telecom companies cooperate with the manufacturer to install spyware. But US government agency cannot cooperate with Huawei to install the backdoor. Because then Huawei will know what is being installed. This is why Huawei got banned totally. Especially when Huawei sells equipment to Iran. Israel cannot install the backdoor to the equipment without Huawei knowing it. 
    LOL!

    Uhm, the reason that you don't install critical infrastructure from an adversary is that you would be concerned that they would leave backdoors to control that infrastructure, or even, turn it off at a critical time.

    Not the same thing as using a backdoor for spying, which, as it turns out, isn't necessary in China as they have full access anyway.
    LOL Huawei smartphone is not a critical infrastructure. You could not tell the difference. The real reason that China is made an adversary is because the special interests of the military industrial complex. Money! Money! Money! Nine hundred billion dollars a year!
    edited September 2023 williamlondon
  • Reply 11 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    The restrictions that the U.S. placed on Huawei Telecom, and later Huawei phones, were never in connection to Apple, so no, not close to the same thing. More to the point, China cannot afford to squeeze Apple too much, as it through its contractors employs millions.

    There have been concerns about Huawei Telecom in the West, and why Huawei should be disallowed in critical telecom infrastructure, and these have largely played out, with the exception of some holdouts in the EU who will ultimately have to remove Huawei Telecom gear. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eu-considers-mandatory-ban-using-huawei-build-5g-ft-2023-06-07/

    Still chuckling?
    LOL US government agency will never tell Americans the truth. You were being brainwashed. The fact of the truth is US telecomm companies have been installing backdoors ever since Alexander Bell invented the telephone. The telecom companies cooperate with the manufacturer to install spyware. But US government agency cannot cooperate with Huawei to install the backdoor. Because then Huawei will know what is being installed. This is why Huawei got banned totally. Especially when Huawei sells equipment to Iran. Israel cannot install the backdoor to the equipment without Huawei knowing it. 
    LOL!

    Uhm, the reason that you don't install critical infrastructure from an adversary is that you would be concerned that they would leave backdoors to control that infrastructure, or even, turn it off at a critical time.

    Not the same thing as using a backdoor for spying, which, as it turns out, isn't necessary in China as they have full access anyway.
    LOL Huawei smartphone is not a critical infrastructure. You could not tell the difference. The real reason that China is made an adversary is because the special interests of the military industrial complex. Money! Money! Money! Nine hundred billion dollars a year!
    Sure.

    That has to be it.../s
    ronnStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 56
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,925member
    US being free society and support such principles; US can not win against China as today's or tomorrow's China unless something big change happens to PRC party for better for world.
    China has a long term strategy to dominate the world commerce which Western,Asian countries failed to understand. Unless rest of the world stops importing from China, Chinese made products and not sell energy and critical products to China; China will continue to get stronger and non-Chinese companies will be robbed in China from there products, market share and pushed out of China. Than, Chinese companies will make the same products at cheaper price and sell to domestic market and to the rest of the world and get richer everyday. That is how China will dominate the world and there is nothing US,Europe and non-China countries can do.


    williamlondon
  • Reply 13 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,981member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    mayfly said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    No way Apple would be complicit in allowing the NSA to install spyware on their iPhones for sale in China, the way the Chinese did on Huawei phones for sale here.
    There was no mention of any of that in the quoted text. It amounted to protectionism, not spying.

    Apple or Huawei wouldn't have to be complicit in anything when it comes to the NSA or Chinese equivalents. 

    We know a fair bit about the NSA's activities though thanks to Snowden. 

    As far a protectionism goes, the US had no cutting edge ICT infrastructure to protect but strong-arming Huawei out of the US (see the 2017 AT&T/Huawei situation) absolutely did protect Apple from Huawei on US soil.

    That's why the quote is laughable. 
    LOL!

    No country is going to build out critical infrastructure with equipment from an adversary. That should be common sense. 


    Strange how the US did just that though. Look how much it cost to rip and replace Huawei from rural America.

    Look at how close AT&T came to carrying Huawei phones. There were actually thousands of Mate 10 series phones in lorries all over the US in readiness for a CES announcement. 

    US communications is not only domestic. It travels the world via giant fibre optic cables. Lots of them managed by Huawei.

    It's protectionism. Plain and simple. It's never been about national security. Ever. 

    If it were, NO Chinese phone would be allowed in the US. After all, the CCP has its fingers in every Chinese company, right?

    It's just nonsense. 

    Huawei was a technological threat and had to be stopped. That's it. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 14 of 56
    This is more BS from US politicians fear-mongering China to distract from the problems at home they utterly fail to address, projecting US protectionist measures taken against Chinese companies on the PTC government decision. 

    These are not restrictions on Apple’s access to the Chinese market, its second largest, and also a significant revenue earner for Chinese manufacturers. 

    This thread also includes some inaccurate comments. Accusations against Huawei o bout IP theft and electronic surveillance were never proven of credible. Finally, the US used sales of equipment to Iran as the basis to enact export bans of US components to Huawei and ZTE, clearly intended to cripple them commercially.

    One thing is clear to informed, thinking people: any Chinese company that out-paces US competitors will be tarred as a “security threat” because the “level playing field” the US lecture 
    s the world about always has to tilt in favor of the US. This was the case when Japanese beat the USA (Google Plaza Accord), which Korea and now China. G
    avon b7williamlondon
  • Reply 15 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    wood1208 said:
    US being free society and support such principles; US can not win against China as today's or tomorrow's China unless something big change happens to PRC party for better for world.
    China has a long term strategy to dominate the world commerce which Western,Asian countries failed to understand. Unless rest of the world stops importing from China, Chinese made products and not sell energy and critical products to China; China will continue to get stronger and non-Chinese companies will be robbed in China from there products, market share and pushed out of China. Than, Chinese companies will make the same products at cheaper price and sell to domestic market and to the rest of the world and get richer everyday. That is how China will dominate the world and there is nothing US,Europe and non-China countries can do.


    ...working on that...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    mayfly said:
    avon b7 said:
    I have to chuckle:

    "This is textbook Chinese Communist Party (CCP) behavior - promote PRC (People's Republic of China) national champions in telecommunications, and slowly squeeze western companies' market access"

    And what was the whole Huawei thing in the US about then? 

    Slightly more of a squeeze! 
    No way Apple would be complicit in allowing the NSA to install spyware on their iPhones for sale in China, the way the Chinese did on Huawei phones for sale here.
    There was no mention of any of that in the quoted text. It amounted to protectionism, not spying.

    Apple or Huawei wouldn't have to be complicit in anything when it comes to the NSA or Chinese equivalents. 

    We know a fair bit about the NSA's activities though thanks to Snowden. 

    As far a protectionism goes, the US had no cutting edge ICT infrastructure to protect but strong-arming Huawei out of the US (see the 2017 AT&T/Huawei situation) absolutely did protect Apple from Huawei on US soil.

    That's why the quote is laughable. 
    LOL!

    No country is going to build out critical infrastructure with equipment from an adversary. That should be common sense. 


    Strange how the US did just that though. Look how much it cost to rip and replace Huawei from rural America.

    Look at how close AT&T came to carrying Huawei phones. There were actually thousands of Mate 10 series phones in lorries all over the US in readiness for a CES announcement. 

    US communications is not only domestic. It travels the world via giant fibre optic cables. Lots of them managed by Huawei.

    It's protectionism. Plain and simple. It's never been about national security. Ever. 

    If it were, NO Chinese phone would be allowed in the US. After all, the CCP has its fingers in every Chinese company, right?

    It's just nonsense. 

    Huawei was a technological threat and had to be stopped. That's it. 
    ...and there were actions against Huawei to restructure undersea cable projects but with Western financing and control.

    Keep telling yourself that it is only protectionism. That will fix Huawei's "situation".
    edited September 2023 ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 56
    wood1208 said:
    US being free society and support such principles; US can not win against China as today's or tomorrow's China unless something big change happens to PRC party for better for world.
    China has a long term strategy to dominate the world commerce which Western,Asian countries failed to understand. Unless rest of the world stops importing from China, Chinese made products and not sell energy and critical products to China; China will continue to get stronger and non-Chinese companies will be robbed in China from there products, market share and pushed out of China. Than, Chinese companies will make the same products at cheaper price and sell to domestic market and to the rest of the world and get richer everyday. That is how China will dominate the world and there is nothing US,Europe and non-China countries can do.


    LOL Your description reads exactly like what China experienced from the Western world before CCP took over control of China. 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 18 of 56
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    wood1208 said:
    US being free society and support such principles; US can not win against China as today's or tomorrow's China unless something big change happens to PRC party for better for world.
    China has a long term strategy to dominate the world commerce which Western,Asian countries failed to understand. Unless rest of the world stops importing from China, Chinese made products and not sell energy and critical products to China; China will continue to get stronger and non-Chinese companies will be robbed in China from there products, market share and pushed out of China. Than, Chinese companies will make the same products at cheaper price and sell to domestic market and to the rest of the world and get richer everyday. That is how China will dominate the world and there is nothing US,Europe and non-China countries can do.


    LOL Your description reads exactly like what China experienced from the Western world before CCP took over control of China. 
    You mean when the U.S. helped China defeat Japan during WWIi, before Mao chased Chiang Kai-shek out of China, into Formosa, now the Independent country of Taiwan?
    williamlondonronnStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 56
    tmay said:
    wood1208 said:
    US being free society and support such principles; US can not win against China as today's or tomorrow's China unless something big change happens to PRC party for better for world.
    China has a long term strategy to dominate the world commerce which Western,Asian countries failed to understand. Unless rest of the world stops importing from China, Chinese made products and not sell energy and critical products to China; China will continue to get stronger and non-Chinese companies will be robbed in China from there products, market share and pushed out of China. Than, Chinese companies will make the same products at cheaper price and sell to domestic market and to the rest of the world and get richer everyday. That is how China will dominate the world and there is nothing US,Europe and non-China countries can do.


    LOL Your description reads exactly like what China experienced from the Western world before CCP took over control of China. 
    You mean when the U.S. helped China defeat Japan during WWIi, before Mao chased Chiang Kai-shek out of China, into Formosa, now the Independent country of Taiwan?
    No, it was an eight year war. But from the first Opium War in 1840 to 1945, China experience hell. 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 20 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,981member
    xiao-zhi said:
    This is more BS from US politicians fear-mongering China to distract from the problems at home they utterly fail to address, projecting US protectionist measures taken against Chinese companies on the PTC government decision. 

    These are not restrictions on Apple’s access to the Chinese market, its second largest, and also a significant revenue earner for Chinese manufacturers. 

    This thread also includes some inaccurate comments. Accusations against Huawei o bout IP theft and electronic surveillance were never proven of credible. Finally, the US used sales of equipment to Iran as the basis to enact export bans of US components to Huawei and ZTE, clearly intended to cripple them commercially.

    One thing is clear to informed, thinking people: any Chinese company that out-paces US competitors will be tarred as a “security threat” because the “level playing field” the US lecture 
    s the world about always has to tilt in favor of the US. This was the case when Japanese beat the USA (Google Plaza Accord), which Korea and now China. G
    You are correct in noting that any company or country capable of denting US so-called 'hegemony' will be targeted. 

    If evidence were required, no better to hear it from the horse's mouth. 

    Just a splattering of quotes in no particular order from a speech given by William Barr in Washington. 

    Attorney General William P. Barr - 6 Feb 2020


    "Second, we have to make a decision on the “horse” we are going to ride in this race. Who is the 5G equipment supplier, or suppliers, that we will rely on to compete against Huawei around the globe, win contracts from operators, and blunt Huawei’s drive to domination?"

    ... 

    " The time is very short. We and our allies have to act quickly. While much has to be done, it is imperative to make two decisions right away.

    The question is whether, within this window, the United States and our allies can mount sufficient competition to Huawei to retain and capture enough market share to sustain the kind of long-term and robust competitive position necessary to avoid surrendering dominance to the Chinese."

    ... 

    "China’s success in 5G infrastructure is also translating into advantages in a range of new technologies associated with 5G. AI is a good example. As China captures more and more of the data generated by 5G, its AI products become better. 

    Within the next five years, 5G global territory and application dominance will be determined."

    ... 

    "Semiconductors provide a good example of the ripple effect of Chinese leadership in 5G. China now consumes over half of the world’s semiconductors. China has now started to replace U.S. semiconductors with its own. Its scale in this field will permit it to make the investments needed close the current quality gap. As China builds its scale in the semiconductor industry, it will place substantial pressure on alternative suppliers. And, of course, semiconductors are indispensable to a wide range of technology and industries apart from 5G."

    ... 

    "Chinese companies start with the advantage of the largest domestic market, giving them instant scale, and as they add to this around the world, they will be able to invest more in their technology.

    Huawei is now the leading supplier on every continent, except North America. The United States does not have an equipment supplier. China’s principal competitors are the Finish firm, Nokia (with a 17 percent share) and the Swedish firm Ericsson (with a 14 percent share)."

    ... 

    " From a national security standpoint, if the Industrial Internet becomes dependent on Chinese technology, China would have the ability to shut countries off from technology and equipment upon which their consumers and industry depend. The power the United States has today to use economic sanctions would pale by comparison to the unprecedented economic leverage we would be surrendering into the hands of China"

    ... 

    "It has been estimated that the Industrial Internet powered by 5G could generate new economic opportunities of $23 trillion by 2025. If China establishes sole dominance over 5G, it will be able to dominate the opportunities arising from a stunning range of emerging technologies that will be dependent on, and interwoven with the 5G platform."

    ...

    "5G technology lies at the center of the technological and industrial world that is taking shape. In essence, communications networks are not just for communications anymore. They are evolving into the central nervous system of the next generation of internet, called the "Industrial Internet," and the next generation of industrial systems that will depend on that infrastructure. China has built up a lead in 5G, capturing 40 percent of the global 5G infrastructure market. For the first time in history, the United States is not leading the next technology era."

    Full speech here:

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-delivers-keynote-address-department-justices-china

    You can feel the fear in his words. It is oozing out of every single paragraph but even the reference to 'national security' is directly connected to the technological standing. There is a huge amount of nonsense too. Especially this: "China would have the ability to shut countries off from technology and equipment upon which their consumers and industry depend." surely he doesn't mean like exactly what the US is doing to nations around the world right now via sanctions? 

    As Steve Balmer might say: "Technology! Technology! Technology!

    Or as Trump might say:" Protectionism! Protectionism! Protectionism!

    Yes, there is geopolitics at the bottom of this but the core of it all is technology, not spying, weapons etc. It's about technology and the next industrial revolution.

    With all that put on the table, this Chinese ban becomes a quite tame response. 
    edited September 2023 muthuk_vanalingam
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