iPhone 15 will sell well but iPhone 16 will do even better

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Analysts at Morgan Stanley say they believe predictions that sales of the iPhone 15 range will be "muted" are wrong, and the iPhone will only get stronger going in to 2024.

Dummy iPhone 15 unit
Dummy iPhone 15 unit



While Wedbush believes demand for the the iPhone 15 will mean a price increase won't hurt it, Morgan Stanley is even more upbeat about Apple's near future. It's maintaining its $215 price target.

"Despite concerns of a muted iPhone 15 cycle, we have conviction iPhone revs will grow Y/Y in FY24," say in a note to investors seen by AppleInsider, "given a growing installed base, easy Y/Y comps, pent-up demand and positive mix shift driving ASP growth."

The analysts do note that "iPhone pricing will be the most important detail" at the launch.

"We believe the majority of the tech upgrades for the iPhone 15 are well-known, and therefore we don't expect many major spec surprises," continues the note. "However, iPhone pricing is a far more contested topic."

"Several competitors and news outlets predict an across the board pricing increase for the iPhone 15, but we disagree," says Morgan Stanley. "We believe Apple will leverage cheaper memory prices to keep pricing for all like-for-like SKUs unchanged Y/Y except for the iPhone 15 Pro Max, where we are forecasting a $150 pricing increase due to the addition of the rear-facing periscope lens."

"In our view, it's very un-Apple-like to raise prices across the board in the midst of a smartphone market down 11% Y/Y YTD... as it would likely drive incremental unit weakness," continue the analysts, "something Apple is all-too-familiar with following similar actions taken in China in late 2018, after which Apple was forced to negatively pre-announce C4Q results."

Morgan Stanley says raising prices for the iPhone 15 Pro models will have a "limited impact on units [sold]."

Morgan Stanley's estimates of the impact of various possible price increases by Apple
Morgan Stanley's estimates of the impact of various possible price increases by Apple



For the iPhone 15 and then 2024's iPhone 16, Morgan Stanley believes that there is what it describes as "pent-up demand from consumers deferring their iPhone purchase from FY23." This deferment has lead "to an all-time replacement cycle high at 4.4 years."

Over the longer term, Morgan Stanley also expects to see Apple offer hardware subscriptions at some point. "[We're] watching for this," say the analysts, "as it could help investors begin to value Apple more like a subscription business, which we underwrite in our $270 bull case valuation."

Apple will unveil its iPhone 15 range, and the new pricing, at its September 12, 2023 event.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 12
    What a title!
    “IPhone 15 will sell well but iPhone 16 will do even better”
    I’m absolutely surprised to hear that! Who would’ve thought of this?
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 12
    From all that's leaked, it sounds like I will be skipping 15 Pro Max. I want the 16 Ultra Max (or whatever they call it).
    williamlondon
  • Reply 3 of 12
    I have a 14 Pro Max so no need to upgrade this year. I’ll be looking for major camera upgrades to make the jump. 
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 12
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,913member
    Over years what I see happening is majority of people don't bother or care a feature/thing here or there in new phone. Most upgrade phone when they want to or need to.
    edited September 2023 muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 12
    thttht Posts: 5,453member
    There isn't a feature that will cause a super-cycle of sales anymore. 10 to 15 years ago, doublings in camera performance, compute performance, doublings of PPI and 50%, 100%, 200% increases in screen sizes were happening every year to every other year. Super-cycles all the time. We've been at the point of diminishing returns for a good 5 to 6 years now, at least for "mainstream" devices.

    Any predictions of future sales performance for phones is now akin to predicting macro-economic trends, like predicting the cost of gas 2 years from now.
    muthuk_vanalingamdewmemattinozwatto_cobrabeowulfschmidt
  • Reply 6 of 12
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,376member
    Behold, the Amazing Kreskin has spoken!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 12
    mobirdmobird Posts: 754member
    I have the iPhone 12 mini and as much as I love the size it is time for an upgrade to the iPhone 15 PRO.
    Wish Apple had put more effort into the mini, just having a PRO version would have potentially added additional sales and adoption for the platform.
    edited September 2023 watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 12
    iPhone 15 looks a bit under whelming, I'll probably hang on to my iPhone 4s for another year. 
    williamlondonJapheyjfabula1
  • Reply 9 of 12
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,323member
    Eireplane said:
    iPhone 15 looks a bit under whelming, I'll probably hang on to my iPhone 4s for another year. 
    You must be on battery 3 by now. My old 5s got handed down to a young nephew and is still going strong. 
    ihatescreennameswatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 12
    SHAL1M said:
    What a title!
    “IPhone 15 will sell well but iPhone 16 will do even better”
    I’m absolutely surprised to hear that! Who would’ve thought of this?
    Analyst are paid to do hocus focus predictions 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 12
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,913member
    Eireplane said:
    iPhone 15 looks a bit under whelming, I'll probably hang on to my iPhone 4s for another year. 

    Did not know someone on earth still using iPhone 4. Only iPhone can last this long and usable.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 12
    mobirdmobird Posts: 754member
    wood1208 said:
    Eireplane said:
    iPhone 15 looks a bit under whelming, I'll probably hang on to my iPhone 4s for another year. 

    Did not know someone on earth still using iPhone 4. Only iPhone can last this long and usable.
    Probably has original version of Solitaire...
    watto_cobra
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