Apple privately described Android as a 'massive tracking device'

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Slides from an internal Apple presentation have been shown in Google's antitrust trial, contrasting the two firms' very different approaches to privacy for customers.

Google pays Apple to remain the default search engine on iPhones
Google pays Apple to remain the default search engine on iPhones



As the Department of Justice's (DOJ) antitrust trial against Google continues, it has continually centered on the company's deal to be the default search engine on iPhones. Apple's Eddy Cue has testified that it was because "we've always thought it was the best."

Now, though, it seems that Apple was not equally enamored of Google in every way. A slide deck has been shown in court of a 2013 Apple presentation that examines how privacy is used or abused across the industry.

This was an internal presentation, so Apple didn't need pull its punches
This was an internal presentation, so Apple didn't need pull its punches



The slides were emailed by Eddy Cue to Tim Cook and Phil Schiller, and included one slide that was blunt about the Android operating system. "Android is a massive tracking device," it said.

That was all Apple wrote on that particular slide, but among the rest of the presentation deck it gave more detail, and also quoted Google's Eric Schmidt.

The criticism of Android comes in an overall privacy presentation which also included this timeline
The criticism of Android comes in an overall privacy presentation which also included this timeline



"Google's policy is to get right up to the creepy line but not cross it," Schmidt reportedly said in 2010. "I would argue that implanting things in your brain is beyond the creepy line. At least for the moment, until the technology gets better."

Much of Apple's presentation is redacted but among the other slides that can be read is a Privacy Timeline. It lists Facebook's tracking of users even if they opt out, and Google's Street View recorded private Wi-Fi communications.

Currently, Google pays Apple to remain the default search engine on iPhones. That may have to stop if the DOJ wins its case, in which case Apple -- which is not accused of any wrongdoing -- could lose as much as $20 billion per year.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    Well, because Android is a massive tracking device.
    mike1williamlondonlotonesjeffharrisStrangeDayswatto_cobrabaconstangchasmFileMakerFellerAlex_V
  • Reply 2 of 14
    Of-course. Google has made it abundantly clear that user privacy is not at all their concern. They still allow apps to be baked into firmwares, making them un-removable and giving them a much broader set of data gathering permissions.

    Google even tried to sue the Indian government for disallowing apps to be un-removable. They promptly got laughed out of court, but still. The audacity of this bitch
    edited November 2023 12Strangerswilliamlondonlotonesjeffharriswatto_cobrabaconstangchasmFileMakerFellerAlex_Vbyronl
  • Reply 3 of 14
    omasouomasou Posts: 613member
    From the slide...

    Google New privacy allows combining user data across all of Google's services

    Ah, this explains why YouTube two-factor authentication dropped the texting a  code option (visible but grayed out) and only allows 2FA via YouTube on another device. They're linking all of our devices.

    Isn't this similar to ONE of the creepy things that Uber did and got into trouble for?
    watto_cobraFileMakerFellerlordjohnwhorfin
  • Reply 4 of 14
    Same presentation calls out Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Pinterest and Amazon, but the real question is why these aren't updated and public slides??
    lotonesFileMakerFellerwatto_cobrabyronl
  • Reply 5 of 14
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,754member
    It's abundantly clear once you understand that Google is an advertising company, not a technology company.

    Their bottom line relies on knowing as much about people as possible so that they're the best choice for companies which want to advertise their products online. Their core technologies: online services (search, mail, maps, messaging, YouTube, cloud storage), Android, and Chrome are simply vehicles for that. So of course they're going to continually look for ways to maximize the quantity and quality of that data. The same way Apple continually looks for ways to make their technology products more attractive to their customers.
    edited November 2023 jeffharrisStrangeDayswatto_cobraRonnyDaddybaconstangchasmBart Y
  • Reply 6 of 14
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,482member
    I am glad Apple is more on privacy. The evidence is clear: Meta lost a lot of revenue as a result of Apple's Safari denying cookies and also improved password managers. 


    watto_cobraBart Y
  • Reply 7 of 14
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,525member
    Mr. Schmidt’s statement regarding “the creepy line,” from 2010 is THE STUFF OF NIGHTMARES. I can’t believe that monster was once on Apple’s board … I have to think it was so Apple could keep a closer eye on Google and its truly disturbing plans for all of us.

    I may have to write a “fictional” screenplay for an horror movie about what would have happened if Google had followed through with that idea. Guaranteed box office, that.
    watto_cobralordjohnwhorfin
  • Reply 8 of 14
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,305member
    Don’t forget about the government working hand in hand with ALL of those companies to determine what the “truth” is. 
    watto_cobrabyronlwilliamlondon
  • Reply 9 of 14
    Can't organise the world's information if you don't have all of the world's information, after all...
    watto_cobraAlex_VwilliamlondonBart Y
  • Reply 10 of 14
    hexclock said:
    Don’t forget about the government working hand in hand with ALL of those companies to determine what the “truth” is. 
    Damn gubment! Get your gubment hands off my Medicare and your damn microchipped vaccines off me I’ll take ivermectin and bleach!
    Oferwilliamlondon
  • Reply 11 of 14
    Yep. Everyone thinks cheap Android phones and free Google services are great. 

    They are not the product. You are.
    williamlondonBart Y
  • Reply 12 of 14
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,603member
    Appleish said:
    Yep. Everyone thinks cheap Android phones and free Google services are great. 

    They are not the product. You are.
    An excellent reason to use paid/subscribed Google services if it's an option. 
  • Reply 13 of 14
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,754member
    hexclock said:
    Don’t forget about the government working hand in hand with ALL of those companies to determine what the “truth” is. 
    Or the media companies themselves who choose what gets published and what doesn't.

    Like I always say, at least with a democratic government, there is some level of accountability to the public interest due to voting and open debate. Not so with companies whose accountability is only to the bottom line, regardless of whether that is beneficial or harmful to society at large.

  • Reply 14 of 14
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,603member
    Same presentation calls out Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Pinterest and Amazon, but the real question is why these aren't updated and public slides??
    From the original article:
    "It’s important to note that the landscape of privacy has changed significantly since this was first published back in 2013. There are no recent signs Apple executives still feel this way about Android devices or the company as a whole."
    muthuk_vanalingam
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