Apple's in-house modem project won't be ready until late 2025

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Development of an in-house modem at Apple has hit multiple snags, with the latest delay pushing development further into 2025 or later.

iPhone 15 Pro Max has a Qualcomm modem
iPhone 15 Pro Max has a Qualcomm modem



Apple's modem provider is Qualcomm, and the two companies have had a rocky history with legal issues and competition. Apple reportedly was aiming for an early 2025 release for an in-house modem, but that project keeps hitting snags.

According to a report from Bloomberg, Apple is going to miss it's spring 2025 release window. People familiar with the matter say Apple could postpone the release until late 2025 or early 2026.

Apple recently extended its contract with Qualcomm to 2026. That contract extension came as a surprise considering Qualcomm's CEO expected Apple would have its in-house modem ready in 2024.

Designing a modem is no small feat. It requires a chip that can efficiently connect to cellular networks around the world and provide competitive speeds.

Previous reports said Apple's modem development was three years behind Qualcomm's.

Apple is determined to develop its own modem because it likes having control of the entire hardware and software stack. However, unlike ditching Intel for Apple Silicon, Qualcomm is a leader in the space and will be difficult to surpass, let alone match.

The iPhone SE 4 was initially rumored to be a test bed for the in-house modem, but that project was scrapped. With these latest delays, it isn't clear if Apple will ever release a modem, but work on the project will continue even if it never sees the light of day.

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  • Reply 1 of 11
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,547member
    I am sure Apple is working on many technological concepts, only waiting for the patents to expire and incorporate them into their devices or services. Patents are often what holds companies back - suppose there's a patent on algorithm that provides improved performance, using that patent in chip without licensing could invite lawsuits. 
     

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  • Reply 2 of 11
    saareksaarek Posts: 1,611member
    I don’t doubt that Apple will get there. Qualcomm makes genuinely good hardware and have an absolute catalogue of patents.

    Apple needs to work out how to build the modem without stepping on those and that is obviously proving very hard to do.
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  • Reply 3 of 11
    netrox said:
    I am sure Apple is working on many technological concepts, only waiting for the patents to expire and incorporate them into their devices or services. Patents are often what holds companies back - suppose there's a patent on algorithm that provides improved performance, using that patent in chip without licensing could invite lawsuits. 
    Patents expire after 20 years. So the 3G patents would have expired around 2020. The 4G patents are probably going to expire in a few years, but Qualcomm switched from 4G to LTE anyway, and the LTE patents form the bulk of what is needed for 5G. Those don't expire until 2030, when it will be time to switch to 6G. 

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  • Reply 4 of 11
    It’ll be out when it’s ready. Apple isn’t wanting to just do a decent modem. They’re wanting to win. 

    Just let them work. They’ve had quite the uphill battle. Impressed they’re still pressing on. 
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  • Reply 5 of 11
    Radio Shack will probably make a 5G modem before Apple does.
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  • Reply 6 of 11
    thttht Posts: 5,898member
    They have to press through the difficulties, as everyone of their products could have a cellular modem.

    I don't know what their goals are with the modems, but would seem to me they have to start even more modestly and develop modems for Macs, iPads, and Watches. Maybe even Apple TV. Just a no frills 5G modem that doesn't have to be the top of the class in power efficiency. Then, try to work their way to the state of the art for iPhones.
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  • Reply 7 of 11
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,721member
    They never should have disbanded the AirPort team. I’ll bet those folks would have been a big help in this quest, and frankly Apple should be back in the home router with great security business anyway.
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  • Reply 8 of 11
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,221member
    It’ll be out when it’s ready. Apple isn’t wanting to just do a decent modem. They’re wanting to win. 

    Just let them work. They’ve had quite the uphill battle. Impressed they’re still pressing on. 
    How long though? Before we know it, 6G will be here. Current estimates put that at 2030. 

    5.5G is already popping up in limited scenarios. 

    The possibility of 'winning' is unrealistic given the decades of knowhow accumulated by competitors and their patent portfolios.

    Apple acquired a legup through Intel but Intel was clearly having a hard time delivering. Everything currently points to Apple suffering from the same delivery problems. 

    Giving them time is fine, but it's also worth considering the possibility that they simply bit off more than they could chew. 
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  • Reply 9 of 11
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,605member
    Radio Shack will probably make a 5G modem before Apple does.
    nVidia are offering software modems before Apple can make one.

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  • Reply 10 of 11
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,605member

    avon b7 said:
    It’ll be out when it’s ready. Apple isn’t wanting to just do a decent modem. They’re wanting to win. 

    Just let them work. They’ve had quite the uphill battle. Impressed they’re still pressing on. 
    How long though? Before we know it, 6G will be here. Current estimates put that at 2030. 

    5.5G is already popping up in limited scenarios. 

    The possibility of 'winning' is unrealistic given the decades of knowhow accumulated by competitors and their patent portfolios.

    Apple acquired a legup through Intel but Intel was clearly having a hard time delivering. Everything currently points to Apple suffering from the same delivery problems. 

    Giving them time is fine, but it's also worth considering the possibility that they simply bit off more than they could chew. 
    Apple wins if they can charge the same price for a lower product cost or charge more for the same product cost. 
    They don't care what product share they have in the Market of "cellular service chips"


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  • Reply 11 of 11
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,221member
    mattinoz said:

    avon b7 said:
    It’ll be out when it’s ready. Apple isn’t wanting to just do a decent modem. They’re wanting to win. 

    Just let them work. They’ve had quite the uphill battle. Impressed they’re still pressing on. 
    How long though? Before we know it, 6G will be here. Current estimates put that at 2030. 

    5.5G is already popping up in limited scenarios. 

    The possibility of 'winning' is unrealistic given the decades of knowhow accumulated by competitors and their patent portfolios.

    Apple acquired a legup through Intel but Intel was clearly having a hard time delivering. Everything currently points to Apple suffering from the same delivery problems. 

    Giving them time is fine, but it's also worth considering the possibility that they simply bit off more than they could chew. 
    Apple wins if they can charge the same price for a lower product cost or charge more for the same product cost. 
    They don't care what product share they have in the Market of "cellular service chips"


    Share is clearly irrelevant in this case but that will obviously have an impact on making the product economically viable (economies of scale).

    With billions already invested in the effort and a final product still apparently years off, things become less clear cut.

    I think that, strategically, it's important for Apple but that's assuming they can actually produce a competitive product. 

    If they can't, it might just make more economic sense just to stick with Qualcomm. 

    Qualcomm itself is laying off a not insubstantial number of staff due to business constraints. 

    5.5G and 6G are advancing development and on track. There are some very interesting capabilities being lined up.

    The network 'as a sensor' is already in use with industrial ZE-IoT. 

    Take a look at some of the thinking behind using wireless signals themselves as sensors (eliminating the need for certain wearable sensors for example):

    Pdf:

    https://www-file.huawei.com/-/media/corp2020/pdf/publications/huawei-research/2023/huawei-research-issue5-en.pdf

    Producing a modem to work with signals is a must but, at this point in time, you also really need to be in on the ICT stack too.

    That is a huge amount of scientific research and engineering. 


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