White House is tracking Apple Watch ban with no sign of intervening

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Those hoping the White House will step in and stop an impending Apple Watch ban may need to look elsewhere, as word from the administration offers almost no information.

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Apple doesn't have many options before the International Trade Commission's Apple Watch ban goes into effect on December 25. A software update could help avoid a ban or intervention from the White House, but the latter is increasingly unlikely.

According to a report from Bloomberg, the Biden administration is "tracking" the Apple Watch ban due to the Masimo patent dispute. While the President could stop a ban, the power to veto has been deferred to the US Trade Representative.

The White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters that the top US trade official Katherine Tai is "carefully considering all of the factors in this case." There is no indication if the White House intends to intervene or make any decision before the December 25 deadline.

Apple intends to appeal the Apple Watch import ban, which affects all models with the violating blood oxygen sensor first used in the Apple Watch Series 6. Since Apple only sells the latest models new, only the Apple Watch Series 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 are being removed from sale.

Third-party sellers with inventory of any Apple Watch can still sell them without limits. When that stock runs out, that's when US customers will be left with only used markets and the Apple Watch SE.

Apple intends to contest the ITC's decision as soon as the deadline for the White House intervention passes on December 25. There is a chance that the import ban could last through the lengthy appeals process well into 2024, but Masimo is also open to settlement.

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  • Reply 1 of 7
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,076member
    "No comment" doesn't really speak to the White House's intent. The situation as described is a big game of high-stakes poker. Masimo just wants Apple to give them money, to settle. They figure the closer we get to the import ban going into effect, the higher the price they can demand from Apple, if Apple blinks. Apple may feel they're in the right and flat out don't want to settle, or at least don't want to settle if the White House could overturn the import ban, knocking out Masimo's leverage. Their announcement that they're preparing to pull the devices from shelves is an "all in" poker bet. Maybe they're bluffing, maybe they think they have the right cards. The White House of course would really prefer not to get involved. Regardless of the actual merits of the dispute, if they overrule the ban, they'll be accused of penalizing an aggrieved underdog. If they let it go through, they'll be accused of feeding a patent troll. They probably already know exactly what their decision would be, but they're waiting for a settlement to get them out of having to say.

    This will probably go down to the wire on Christmas day, but that really doesn't say much about whether or not the White House will overrule the import ban or let it go into effect.
    termsofusescatzwilliamlondontokyojimuFileMakerFellerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 7
    MSS1960MSS1960 Posts: 2member
    Masimo's CEO has said multiple times he is open to talk about the whole thing, but Apple is being arrogant & stubborn, and seems to think public opinion & politicians will sway things over in to their favor somehow. Apple hasn't even approached Masimo, after the CEO reached out to Apple. And it appears Masimo has the patents (hardware with software) which Apple can't get around with just software. Listening to some of the interviews with Masimo's CEO, Apple tried everything in the book, even recruiting people right out of Masimo with big salaries, thinking they could somehow get what they needed. Didn't work.
    keithwwilliamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamtokyojimugrandact73
  • Reply 3 of 7
    keithwkeithw Posts: 145member
    It’s clear to me after hearing Masimo’s CEO interviews that Apple is clearly in the wrong here, and they will need to play ball with Masimo if they want to retain their PulseOx features on the watches.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamgrandact73
  • Reply 4 of 7
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,402member
    keithw said:
    It’s clear to me after hearing Masimo’s CEO interviews that Apple is clearly in the wrong here, and they will need to play ball with Masimo if they want to retain their PulseOx features on the watches.
    Yes, Masimo’s CEO couldn’t possibly be putting forth a one-sided argument that favours his company’s version of events,  nonono. LOL

    Look, I have no idea who’s in the right or wrong here, but Apple generally has good reasons for the things they do, as their track record clearly shows. Perhaps this IS an error in judgement, but Apple  is risking a lot of bad reputation if it turns out that it DID violate patents and steal trade secrets.

    The fact that the ITC went with such a severe punishment **when the court case Masimo and Apple put forth never received a judgement** gives the White House plenty of grounds to suspend the ban and allow this process to play out in at least one courtroom first before such an extreme move as an import ban. That is how this is supposed to work, and the ITC is supposed to rely on legal proceedings to help form its judgement. That didn’t happen here.

    At this point I doubt the US trade representative will step in, despite having solid grounds to do so. In my opinion, this matter should be suspended pending at least one complete court judgement.
    edited December 2023 jibthtjahbladeFileMakerFellerStrangeDaysdewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 7
    kelliekellie Posts: 55member
    Apple is the gorilla in the room.  They have big money and big political influence.  Apple is not the squeaky clean, earth and LGBTQ friendly, wholesome company a lot of people think they are.  I have no doubt they’ve appropriated IP invented by others.  But the high costs to defend IP is a challenge for small companies.  So Apple gets away with it.  Apple is a competitive beast, but they do their best to keep that hard, rough and tumble personality out of the public eye.  They don’t want to give in to Masimo’s demands because they don’t want the bad PR of having been proven to have stolen IP, they don’t want to encourage other companies who feel they’ve been wronged by Apple and certainly Apple’s corporate ego prevents them from surrendering. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 6 of 7
    BirderGuyBirderGuy Posts: 29member
    I love reading the comments from people who have zero inside information going on and on about something they know nothing about.  What the CEO’s of each company say in public is just PR and bluster and has about as much legal impact as what Trump vomits up in public.  The real negotiations happen in private who knows how it will be settled. But nothing they say in public to the media can be taken at face value. I spent over 40 years on the inside and can tell you that almost everything I read in the press about things I was privy to in private was wrong or distorted. So people making wishful thinking remarks in the comments has even less value than then the speculation from Apple Insider 
    StrangeDaysdewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 7
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,512member
    It sounds like the US Patent and Trade Office (USPTO) and Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) invalidated the patents in dispute but the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) decided to act unilaterally and ignore the PTAB’s ruling for the sake of expediency. In essence, the ITC has become something akin to the Eastern District of Texas in its fast track handling of patent troll related disputes. In other words, the ITC appears to be driven more by a need to resolve disputes quickly than to resolve them correctly. For those seeking to accuse others of patent infringement the ITC has become a fast track back door with lower hurdles to achieve a ruling in their favor, regardless of what a potentially lengthier USPTO and PTAB process, including appeals from both sides, would end up ruling on. 

    This counterintuitive sounding process is neither inherently good nor inherently bad and really depends on what side of the dispute you are on. For holders of legitimate patents who would ultimately be validated by the USPTO/PTAB the ITC’s expediency bias would protect them from further and ongoing damage while the USPTO process grinds through the courts. The ITC seems to feel that their “shoot first and ask questions later” mode of operation for the sake of expediency is justifiable because the presidential veto option is always available as a recourse. For whatever it’s worth, the ITC does seem to be consistent in siding with the plaintiff to get these cases moved off its plate as quickly as possible and letting the chips fall where they may. Larry the Cable Guy “get ‘er done” would approve of the ITC’s mode of operation. 

    This is a classic case of a remedy to one problem being put in place, but rather than solving the problem, the remedy also creates further problems. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Like most questions in real life, the only honest answer is “it depends.” 
    edited December 2023 gatorguywatto_cobra
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