Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
Isn't it funny you say that, when your culture has created a literal social class over the colours in a messaging app.
At least, Europeans don't segregate based on Blue and Green bubbles.
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
Isn't it funny you say that, when your culture has created a literal social class over the colours in a messaging app.
At least, Europeans don't segregate based on Blue and Green bubbles.
Puerile TikTokers don’t really count as a social stratum, methinks. The whole story is being blown way out of proportion courtesy of yellow press.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
It doesn't matter if you get GDPR. The important part is that a global company can't ignore it. That is real power. I don't see any current US politician operating on that level. Hate it or not, but there is a bit Pelosi to it. We need for Tim Cook and team to get that. The next Vestager is problably not going to be any more US-friendly.
I don’t get foreign politicians prying into American business practices. Were the US to merely entertain the idea of introducing, say, a 200% import duty on all European produce in response they’d have no choice but to cease and desist (and perhaps even apologize).
Do you really think the US is going to antagonise the EU over Apple losing money over side loading, when other other American companies such as Google and Microsoft (and even Apple themselves on Macs) allow it and are doing just fine.
If anything the US is going to replicate the digital markets act in the future.
So a bunch of Old World socialists are going to educate the US on politics now. What’s next? A Viking president?
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
The WhatsApp problem arose from a situation of evolution. Not that people jumped on a Facebook app or had even the slightest intention of doing so.
When Facebook took over WhatsApp it was already a major player.
Lots of promises were made by Facebook. Of course, they got caught lying (and fined by the EU IIRC) but Whatsapp wasn't Messenger. You didn't need a Facebook account.
People used it more and more, pushing it to the undisputed top of the charts.
Then, with much of the world onboard, it tried one of its moves (not unlike when Google 'simplified' it's privacy policies across services).
The GDPR was the only thing protecting EU users from that attempt by them to dig even deeper into users.
Of course, the GDPR is far more than Big Tech. Every day individuals are fined for breaking data protection rules. Often unaware that they were doing anything illegal. Small fines like 20 or 40€ up to thousands, depending on the seriousness.
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
Btw. Meta only have what their users give away willingly. Last time I checked they didn’t force anyone to sign up. So it’s garbage in, garbage out…
Also, I don’t quite understand why you keep sticking up for them politicians. Are you on their payroll or something?
The idea that this woman has the power to break up an American company like Apple is laughable. She has no such power.
I don't think it's possible at the moment but Regulation 1/2003 is up for review and some German politicians would seemingly like to see company breakups as a new power. There were some calls for it in 2022.
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
The WhatsApp problem arose from a situation of evolution. Not that people jumped on a Facebook app or had even the slightest intention of doing so.
When Facebook took over WhatsApp it was already a major player.
Lots of promises were made by Facebook. Of course, they got caught lying (and fined by the EU IIRC) but Whatsapp wasn't Messenger. You didn't need a Facebook account.
People used it more and more, pushing it to the undisputed top of the charts.
Then, with much of the world onboard, it tried one of its moves (not unlike when Google 'simplified' it's privacy policies across services).
The GDPR was the only thing protecting EU users from that attempt by them to dig even deeper into users.
Of course, the GDPR is far more than Big Tech. Every day individuals are fined for breaking data protection rules.Often unaware that they were doing anything illegal. Small fines like 20 or 40€ up to thousands, depending on the seriousness.
My point exactly. I hear they can frame you for basically anything over there, - and good luck proving you never said this or that. It’s basically guilty until proven innocent. Those people should keep their hands well off America.
I don’t get foreign politicians prying into American business practices. Were the US to merely entertain the idea of introducing, say, a 200% import duty on all European produce in response they’d have no choice but to cease and desist (and perhaps even apologize).
You really need to get it. Non-US is around 86% of global GDP. US companies do adapt in order to go beyond their 14% market. Don't blame EU for Apple not making the iPhone 15 without USB C for US.
And it gets worse... American companies like HP and Dell sell their computers with a TCO certification. TCO is a Swedish trade union! But hey... we get hit by Sarbanes-Oxley and other stuff from US politicians. The world is connected.
I don’t get foreign politicians prying into American business practices. Were the US to merely entertain the idea of introducing, say, a 200% import duty on all European produce in response they’d have no choice but to cease and desist (and perhaps even apologize).
You really need to get it. Non-US is around 86% of global GDP. US companies do adapt in order to go beyond their 14% market. Don't blame EU for Apple not making the iPhone 15 without USB C for US.
And it gets worse... American companies like HP and Dell sell their computers with a TCO certification. TCO is a Swedish trade union! But hey... we get hit by Sarbanes-Oxley and other stuff from US politicians. The world is connected.
Tell me. When was the last time you saw, - let alone used, - a European-made consumer electronic product? If all the ‘value’ they can add is taxes, they should screw off. The US is synonymous with tech now, something that took decades upon decades of hard work and astronomical investment to achieve, - while Europe were sitting on their hands playing socialism, and inventing pretty much nothing. This kind of leverage can and should be used against anyone who wants to piggyback on that achievement.
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
The WhatsApp problem arose from a situation of evolution. Not that people jumped on a Facebook app or had even the slightest intention of doing so.
When Facebook took over WhatsApp it was already a major player.
Lots of promises were made by Facebook. Of course, they got caught lying (and fined by the EU IIRC) but Whatsapp wasn't Messenger. You didn't need a Facebook account.
People used it more and more, pushing it to the undisputed top of the charts.
Then, with much of the world onboard, it tried one of its moves (not unlike when Google 'simplified' it's privacy policies across services).
The GDPR was the only thing protecting EU users from that attempt by them to dig even deeper into users.
Of course, the GDPR is far more than Big Tech. Every day individuals are fined for breaking data protection rules.Often unaware that they were doing anything illegal. Small fines like 20 or 40€ up to thousands, depending on the seriousness.
My point exactly. I hear they can frame you for basically anything over there, - and good luck proving you never said this or that. It’s basically guilty until proven innocent. Those people should keep their hands well off America.
No. That is not how it works. Evidence is required. That evidence is often what led to the infringement in the first place.
For individuals it could be the fruit of ignorance, willful ignorance, not caring about the law, negligence etc.
It's very complex and it's impossible to know all the details. People make mistakes all the time, often in good faith, but it someone complains, it has to be looked at and if that person is right you might get a fine (or just a warning).
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
The WhatsApp problem arose from a situation of evolution. Not that people jumped on a Facebook app or had even the slightest intention of doing so.
When Facebook took over WhatsApp it was already a major player.
Lots of promises were made by Facebook. Of course, they got caught lying (and fined by the EU IIRC) but Whatsapp wasn't Messenger. You didn't need a Facebook account.
People used it more and more, pushing it to the undisputed top of the charts.
Then, with much of the world onboard, it tried one of its moves (not unlike when Google 'simplified' it's privacy policies across services).
The GDPR was the only thing protecting EU users from that attempt by them to dig even deeper into users.
Of course, the GDPR is far more than Big Tech. Every day individuals are fined for breaking data protection rules.Often unaware that they were doing anything illegal. Small fines like 20 or 40€ up to thousands, depending on the seriousness.
My point exactly. I hear they can frame you for basically anything over there, - and good luck proving you never said this or that. It’s basically guilty until proven innocent. Those people should keep their hands well off America.
No. That is not how it works. Evidence is required. That evidence is often what led to the infringement in the first place.
For individuals it could be the fruit of ignorance, willful ignorance, not caring about the law, negligence etc.
It's very complex and it's impossible to know all the details. People make mistakes all the time, often in good faith, but it someone complains, it has to be looked at and if that person is right you might get a fine (or just a warning).
Someone complains. So anyone can turn you in anytime for saying something you weren’t supposed to say. All while the state can easily poke their noses into anything you do or own with impunity. And if you manage to prove them wrong, they just shrug it off as what I believe they call ‘natural risks’. Or are you telling me the Rigsadvokaten would be hindered by the GDPR? IIRC, Apple have effectively told the feds to screw off more than once, - and got away with it, too. Do you think that would have been possible in Denmark?
Is this old politician herself fit for the ’Digital Age’?
Think Different! You can quote her, disagree with her, glorify or vilify her, but the only thing you and Cook can’t do is ignore her because she changes things. Vestager is absolutely not for turning. With both her parents being Lutheran pastors she is 100% focused on "fair play". She grew up in a country where carrots are hit by a 25% sales tax. Not pleasing anyone is what got her elected. Cook tried in the past to sweet talk or scare her with his "I'm CEO of a big US company", then called her politics "crap", and pushed DC + Obama to behave like henchmen in order to save the tax scheme of Apple. Didn't work... like didn't work at all. Complete failure. According to sources quoted by Financial Times the meeting Cook had with her was "the worst meeting ever in Brussels". This simply indicates that Cook came fully unprepared as her style hasn't changed.
Unlike the last 3 US presidents she is capable of making stuff happen. She pushed for USB C, Digital Markets Act, AI Act, and has been a fierce advocate for GDPR. These days EU is setting the standard for how things are done with legislation is copied around the world. I don't get why Cook want to meet her after having called her politics crap and sent political henchmen after her. She is known to have the memory of an elephant. Unless Cook is ready to pay and surrender then it simply won't work.
Nice quoting Jobs, - yet we’ll talk when this has affected our user experience and Apple’s pricing. Tim Cook won’t pay for your new Mac, and neither will this lady. Unlike her, Jobs whom you quote gave us the Mac, the iPhone, and the iPad. How could one even compare an artist like him to a politician whose job is to tax you?
P.S. GDPR is so useless one even needs third-party software to get rid of its notices. Prove me wrong.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
The WhatsApp problem arose from a situation of evolution. Not that people jumped on a Facebook app or had even the slightest intention of doing so.
When Facebook took over WhatsApp it was already a major player.
Lots of promises were made by Facebook. Of course, they got caught lying (and fined by the EU IIRC) but Whatsapp wasn't Messenger. You didn't need a Facebook account.
People used it more and more, pushing it to the undisputed top of the charts.
Then, with much of the world onboard, it tried one of its moves (not unlike when Google 'simplified' it's privacy policies across services).
The GDPR was the only thing protecting EU users from that attempt by them to dig even deeper into users.
Of course, the GDPR is far more than Big Tech. Every day individuals are fined for breaking data protection rules.Often unaware that they were doing anything illegal. Small fines like 20 or 40€ up to thousands, depending on the seriousness.
My point exactly. I hear they can frame you for basically anything over there, - and good luck proving you never said this or that. It’s basically guilty until proven innocent. Those people should keep their hands well off America.
No. That is not how it works. Evidence is required. That evidence is often what led to the infringement in the first place.
For individuals it could be the fruit of ignorance, willful ignorance, not caring about the law, negligence etc.
It's very complex and it's impossible to know all the details. People make mistakes all the time, often in good faith, but it someone complains, it has to be looked at and if that person is right you might get a fine (or just a warning).
Someone complains. So anyone can turn you in anytime for saying something you weren’t supposed to say. All while the state can easily poke their noses into anything you do or own with impunity. And if you prove them wrong, they just chalk this up to what I believe they call ‘natural risks’. Or are you telling me the Rigsadvokaten would be hindered by the GDPR? IIRC, Apple have effectively told the feds to screw off more than once, - and got away with it, too. Do you think that would have been possible in Denmark?
If you are infringing data protection laws someone might complain. That should not be an issue. The law is there for protection after all.
So if you live in a building with flats and a neighbour installs a camera on the front door but it just happens to record people going up and down the stairs or the other neighbours on the same floor, the neighbour might receive complaints.
I was the president of a community block and we had a Google account and used Drive to share community related information. With the revision to the data protection laws we closed it down because there could be personal information contained in the documentation. And only the registered neighbours had access to it.
So we made the building administrator the hub for documentation and then they were responsible for GDPR issues.
Data needs protecting and in the digital age, more than ever.
And in the EU, we also have the right to be forgotten. Something Google isn't fond of.
Remember, the EU brought the bane of the internet: ENDLESS COOKIE CONSENT POPUPS!
Why? Well, they keep the user in control of their data! LOL. Those notices are far worse than what we had before those notices existed. And this is but one example of what the EU does. They create regulations in the name of helping people but end up doing more harm than good.
Who in THE world thinks opening the Apple App Store really helps people? With millions of apps, who can figure out which want they even need? In the early days, sure! But now? Not a chance.
Forcing the App store to let app makers avoid Apple's 15% or 30% cut only helps a tiny minority of wealthy app makers who are already well known. It really doesn't help "most" app developers at all. And it only contributes to apps becoming worse, which means the user experience is worse overall. Why would the average user want that? Well, they probably don't. But the reality is most users don't really know what they want. They simply trust people smarter than them will do the right thing for them in government. But usually, government just creates new rules that hurt everyone in the end.
You folks demanding change and company breakups don't know how good you have it now. You moan and groan and scream to get Big Brother involved, and when he gets involved, your world changes for the worse. But will you blame yourselves when that happens? Ha! Hardly. You will turn your attention to yet another free market activity to ruin with the iron fist of government.
Who in THE world thinks opening the Apple App Store really helps people? With millions of apps, who can figure out which want they even need? In the early days, sure! But now? Not a chance.
Forcing the App store to let app makers avoid Apple's 15% or 30% cut only helps a tiny minority of wealthy app makers who are already well known.
The AppStore won't be the only Apple service getting attention from competition authorities. It's simply the service de jour. I fully expect more encompassing charges a bit further down the road.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
That ship sailed long before Meta ever bought WhatsApp.
The only reason Meta bought them was because WhatsApp was already the by far dominant messaging service.
Remember, the EU brought the bane of the internet: ENDLESS COOKIE CONSENT POPUPS!
Why? Well, they keep the user in control of their data! LOL. Those notices are far worse than what we had before those notices existed. And this is but one example of what the EU does. They create regulations in the name of helping people but end up doing more harm than good.
Who in THE world thinks opening the Apple App Store really helps people? With millions of apps, who can figure out which want they even need? In the early days, sure! But now? Not a chance.
Forcing the App store to let app makers avoid Apple's 15% or 30% cut only helps a tiny minority of wealthy app makers who are already well known. It really doesn't help "most" app developers at all. And it only contributes to apps becoming worse, which means the user experience is worse overall. Why would the average user want that? Well, they probably don't. But the reality is most users don't really know what they want. They simply trust people smarter than them will do the right thing for them in government. But usually, government just creates new rules that hurt everyone in the end.
You folks demanding change and company breakups don't know how good you have it now. You moan and groan and scream to get Big Brother involved, and when he gets involved, your world changes for the worse. But will you blame yourselves when that happens? Ha! Hardly. You will turn your attention to yet another free market activity to ruin with the iron fist of government.
GDPR is an absolutely necessary piece of legislation. A model to follow and considered one of the best stabs at protecting EU citizens in the digital age.
To many here it's the silent shield. Without it, Meta would have been deep into our underwear and way up our nooks and crannies!
It's what saved EU WhatsApp users from many of those nasty privacy changes Meta tried to slip in a while back.
No legislation is perfect and it will get revised but I'd rather have it over any alternative.
What’sWhat? Isn’t it better not to use crap products in the first place rather than rely on legislation to protect you?
That ship sailed long before Meta ever bought WhatsApp.
The only reason Meta bought them was because WhatsApp was already the by far dominant messaging service.
WhatsCrap had been … well, just that, pretty much since its inception.
For crying out loud, AI. Fix this bug when quoting on mobile.
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At least, Europeans don't segregate based on Blue and Green bubbles.
Puerile TikTokers don’t really count as a social stratum, methinks. The whole story is being blown way out of proportion courtesy of yellow press.
When Facebook took over WhatsApp it was already a major player.
Lots of promises were made by Facebook. Of course, they got caught lying (and fined by the EU IIRC) but Whatsapp wasn't Messenger. You didn't need a Facebook account.
People used it more and more, pushing it to the undisputed top of the charts.
Then, with much of the world onboard, it tried one of its moves (not unlike when Google 'simplified' it's privacy policies across services).
The GDPR was the only thing protecting EU users from that attempt by them to dig even deeper into users.
Of course, the GDPR is far more than Big Tech. Every day individuals are fined for breaking data protection rules. Often unaware that they were doing anything illegal. Small fines like 20 or 40€ up to thousands, depending on the seriousness.
Don't blame EU for Apple not making the iPhone 15 without USB C for US.
And it gets worse... American companies like HP and Dell sell their computers with a TCO certification. TCO is a Swedish trade union! But hey... we get hit by Sarbanes-Oxley and other stuff from US politicians. The world is connected.
For individuals it could be the fruit of ignorance, willful ignorance, not caring about the law, negligence etc.
It's very complex and it's impossible to know all the details. People make mistakes all the time, often in good faith, but it someone complains, it has to be looked at and if that person is right you might get a fine (or just a warning).
Here is a tracker for some GDPR infringements:
https://www.enforcementtracker.com/
Or this (probably better to rename it the Meta tracker)
https://dataprivacymanager.net/5-biggest-gdpr-fines-so-far-2020/
So if you live in a building with flats and a neighbour installs a camera on the front door but it just happens to record people going up and down the stairs or the other neighbours on the same floor, the neighbour might receive complaints.
I was the president of a community block and we had a Google account and used Drive to share community related information. With the revision to the data protection laws we closed it down because there could be personal information contained in the documentation. And only the registered neighbours had access to it.
So we made the building administrator the hub for documentation and then they were responsible for GDPR issues.
Data needs protecting and in the digital age, more than ever.
And in the EU, we also have the right to be forgotten. Something Google isn't fond of.
On topic... Cook and the team at Apple don't get Vestager or the EU. The CEO of Apple should never be known as doing "worst meeting ever in Brussels".
Why?
Well, they keep the user in control of their data!
LOL.
Those notices are far worse than what we had before those notices existed. And this is but one example of what the EU does. They create regulations in the name of helping people but end up doing more harm than good.
Who in THE world thinks opening the Apple App Store really helps people? With millions of apps, who can figure out which want they even need? In the early days, sure! But now? Not a chance.
Forcing the App store to let app makers avoid Apple's 15% or 30% cut only helps a tiny minority of wealthy app makers who are already well known. It really doesn't help "most" app developers at all. And it only contributes to apps becoming worse, which means the user experience is worse overall. Why would the average user want that? Well, they probably don't. But the reality is most users don't really know what they want. They simply trust people smarter than them will do the right thing for them in government. But usually, government just creates new rules that hurt everyone in the end.
You folks demanding change and company breakups don't know how good you have it now. You moan and groan and scream to get Big Brother involved, and when he gets involved, your world changes for the worse. But will you blame yourselves when that happens? Ha! Hardly. You will turn your attention to yet another free market activity to ruin with the iron fist of government.
80% of EU antitrust rulings concern European companies.