It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.
So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.
From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?
This was Gates famous quote during the Apple vs Microsoft trial with Apple accusing Microsoft of stealing the Mac GUI .....
"I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I
broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had
already stolen it."
Gates admitted that he "stole" from Apple but felt he wasn't really "stealing" from Apple because he thought Apple "stole" from PARC. But Apple did not steal anything from PARC. Apple paid Xerox for licenses to use some of the features they saw on the Xerox Alto computer GUI, for their own Apple System 1 GUI, that Apple was already working on before the visit to PARC. Apple visit to PARC was more about the Mac team trying to convince Jobs that a GUI was the way to go with the first Mac. Up until then, PARC had the first and only fully working computer that was based on a GUI. Many members of the Mac team came from PARC and knew about the GUI on the Xerox Alto and were working on one for the first Mac, before Jobs visit to PARC. It's a myth that Apple first got the idea for a GUI, after their visit to PARC.
Plus the GUI that Microsoft developed from "copying" the Xerox Alto was the like of Windows 3.1. Which actually was more like the GUI on the Xerox Alto than the first Mac Apple System 1 GUI (which actually appeared first on the Apple Lisa computer). Only Windows 3.1 is just a shell on top of DOS. What most associate with Microsoft copying Apple GUI was Windows 95. Neither Mac OS System 7 (at the time) or Windows 95, were anywhere near similar to the GUI on the Xerox Alto. So Microsoft could not have copied the original GUI seen at PARC, for Windows 95. No one had any doubt that Microsoft Windows 95 copied heavily from Mac OS System 7, not even Microsoft. But Apple was in no condition to sue in 1995. Specially after soundly losing their first trial over Microsoft copying the first Mac Apple System 1 GUI, over the concept of "look and feel". Jobs wasn't even at Apple in 1995.
Is it wrong to steal the look of software, as long as you don't replicate code. I mean the original creator would be pissed of course, but it ultimately helps the market by providing a choice to the buyer.
Many people on this forum say that Android is a stolen product, and I can't deny that it heavily copied the touchscreen interface of the iPhone, but it's creation was to the benefit of society.
There are flagships that run Android of course, but there are also $100 devices that do. Many poorer people wouldn't have access to smartphones if those cheap devices didn't exist.
Also, to Google's credit, in recent years they have given real effort in ensuring that even those cheap devices get security updates and are able to run the latest software and app versions. Buying iPhones is hard when you have to worry about money constantly, and left to Apple's decisions these people wouldn't have been able to enjoy the benefits of modern technology.
It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.
So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.
From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?
This was Gates famous quote during the Apple vs Microsoft trial with Apple accusing Microsoft of stealing the Mac GUI .....
"I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I
broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had
already stolen it."
Gates admitted that he "stole" from Apple but felt he wasn't really "stealing" from Apple because he thought Apple "stole" from PARC. But Apple did not steal anything from PARC. Apple paid Xerox for licenses to use some of the features they saw on the Xerox Alto computer GUI, for their own Apple System 1 GUI, that Apple was already working on before the visit to PARC. Apple visit to PARC was more about the Mac team trying to convince Jobs that a GUI was the way to go with the first Mac. Up until then, PARC had the first and only fully working computer that was based on a GUI. Many members of the Mac team came from PARC and knew about the GUI on the Xerox Alto and were working on one for the first Mac, before Jobs visit to PARC. It's a myth that Apple first got the idea for a GUI, after their visit to PARC.
Plus the GUI that Microsoft developed from "copying" the Xerox Alto was the like of Windows 3.1. Which actually was more like the GUI on the Xerox Alto than the first Mac Apple System 1 GUI (which actually appeared first on the Apple Lisa computer). Only Windows 3.1 is just a shell on top of DOS. What most associate with Microsoft copying Apple GUI was Windows 95. Neither Mac OS System 7 (at the time) or Windows 95, were anywhere near similar to the GUI on the Xerox Alto. So Microsoft could not have copied the original GUI seen at PARC, for Windows 95. No one had any doubt that Microsoft Windows 95 copied heavily from Mac OS System 7, not even Microsoft. But Apple was in no condition to sue in 1995. Specially after soundly losing their first trial over Microsoft copying the first Mac Apple System 1 GUI, over the concept of "look and feel". Jobs wasn't even at Apple in 1995.
If you read my post, I used the term "copied", same as the post I was responding. And while I agree that Apple didn't stole, they definitely copied elements from Xerox, like the mouse to navigate the GUI. At the end. both companies, MS and Apple copied from Xerox.
It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.
So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.
From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?
Apple asked for permission to tour Xerox PARC and there were some that, as I recall, were not too happy about both the touring and the slowed use of their concept being implemented legally by Apple. In an alternate reality Xerox would've had more people higher up that would've seen what brilliant inventors they had and it would be Xerox having to defend itself from having too many monopoles on the world's most popular tech. It's kinda sad to see Xerox fall so far in my lifetime.
I don't recall ever reading about MS getting such permission.
I just pointed out that MS and Apple copied from Xerox. What this has to do with asking for permission?
It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.
So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.
From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?
Apple asked for permission to tour Xerox PARC and there were some that, as I recall, were not too happy about both the touring and the slowed use of their concept being implemented legally by Apple. In an alternate reality Xerox would've had more people higher up that would've seen what brilliant inventors they had and it would be Xerox having to defend itself from having too many monopoles on the world's most popular tech. It's kinda sad to see Xerox fall so far in my lifetime.
I don't recall ever reading about MS getting such permission.
I just pointed out that MS and Apple copied from Xerox. What this has to do with asking for permission?
You really don't understand what permission and licensing has to do with the ethically of using someone else's IP?
It hurts. M$ copied the Mac - it can never be #1. And then MS lost on mobile, on tablets (at least round one), on MP3 players (Zune), and AWS started eating into their server business. And now that company is worth more than Apple. And the main reason for that is Apple.
So, Mac and iPad sales are dropping big time, iPhone is static, R&D is going to an Apple Car that seems stuck, and then Microsoft understood AI, while we in 2023 had the same old Siri and the option to buy a new HomePod, which was exactly the same as... the old HomePod. Flatlining companies don't attract the best talents. We need for Apple to grow, add more users, and enter big markets (cars). Competing with Zuckerberg on doing the heaviest headset is taking away talent, and now MS is once again #1.
From what I know, both MS and Apple copied Xerox, so I suppose they are the one supposed to be hurt, right?
Apple asked for permission to tour Xerox PARC and there were some that, as I recall, were not too happy about both the touring and the slowed use of their concept being implemented legally by Apple. In an alternate reality Xerox would've had more people higher up that would've seen what brilliant inventors they had and it would be Xerox having to defend itself from having too many monopoles on the world's most popular tech. It's kinda sad to see Xerox fall so far in my lifetime.
I don't recall ever reading about MS getting such permission.
I just pointed out that MS and Apple copied from Xerox. What this has to do with asking for permission?
You really don't understand what permission and licensing has to do with the ethically of using someone else's IP?
Yes, I understand the difference, but that wasn't my point.
While Apple has done it by introducing new technology.
Apple is introducing Vision Pro next month, while Microsoft has renamed Office.
Last year Apple relaunched the HomePod, didn't upgrade a single iPad, gave us MBA 15" with features from the 2022 13" - didn't even bother to give it Wifi 6E. Microsoft added AI to products while M3 didn't improve on the Neural Engine. The market is pretty smart this time. While the engineers in Cupertino are having neck pain from Vision Pro the Redmond team is doing LLM AI.
LLM AI is also used in the camera app along with the LiDAR sensor to help take better pictures faster and determining where exactly your focal point is.
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Many people on this forum say that Android is a stolen product, and I can't deny that it heavily copied the touchscreen interface of the iPhone, but it's creation was to the benefit of society.
There are flagships that run Android of course, but there are also $100 devices that do. Many poorer people wouldn't have access to smartphones if those cheap devices didn't exist.
Also, to Google's credit, in recent years they have given real effort in ensuring that even those cheap devices get security updates and are able to run the latest software and app versions. Buying iPhones is hard when you have to worry about money constantly, and left to Apple's decisions these people wouldn't have been able to enjoy the benefits of modern technology.