Apple will crush the DoJ in court if Garland sticks with outdated arguments

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  • Reply 61 of 158
    longfanglongfang Posts: 459member
    Madbum said:
    Joe Biden needs to go. I am sorry but I am not usually political but this guy is ridiculous 
    This started two years into the Trump administration.
    Otoh, a second Trump term might keep DoJ too distracted with prosecuting his enemies to pay attention to this. 
    williamlondon9secondkox2Bart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 62 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    ssfe119secondkox2
  • Reply 63 of 158
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    freeassociate29secondkox2thth2pBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 64 of 158
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    Jim Cramer gets a bad rap honestly. He is quite well respected in our world .
    9secondkox2
  • Reply 65 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    Greensill, Wirecard AG are two examples where they didn’t just go after companies, but shut them down. Glencore they heavily fined for taking bribes. That aside, the reason they probably do is that American companies could be coming in thinking they can do whatever they want while most EU companies are playing by the rules?
  • Reply 66 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    Jim Cramer gets a bad rap honestly. He is quite well respected in our world .
    They go ahead and buy buy buy! :smile: 
  • Reply 67 of 158
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    Greensill, Wirecard AG are two examples where they didn’t just go after companies, but shut them down. Glencore they heavily fined for taking bribes. That aside, the reason they probably do is that American companies could be coming in thinking they can do whatever they want while most EU companies are playing by the rules?

    Those companies are equivalent to small American companies like Snapchat  or  some neighborhood grocery chain.!! You made my point. What about BMW, Mercedes  and Louis Vuitton?

    EU goes after Google and now Apple. Americas biggest producers and employers. A
    h2pBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 68 of 158
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    Jim Cramer gets a bad rap honestly. He is quite well respected in our world .
    They go ahead and buy buy buy! :smile: 
    Just for context, DOJ went after Microsoft about 20 years ago and they had a much better case honestly than this one.

    Today, 20 year later, same day government wants to interfere again with Apple, 

    Microsoft soft is at an all time high
    h2pwatto_cobra
  • Reply 69 of 158
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    Greensill, Wirecard AG are two examples where they didn’t just go after companies, but shut them down. Glencore they heavily fined for taking bribes. That aside, the reason they probably do is that American companies could be coming in thinking they can do whatever they want while most EU companies are playing by the rules?
    You just made my point. Those companies are not Google or Apple. Also Notice the EU never does anything bs China,….
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 70 of 158
    After the decision about Elon Musk compensation package, now this nuts action from the DOJ. Seeing all this from the outside I just feel the US judges have entered in some sort of lunacy zone! Or maybe all this is just a disgusting and revolting political appropriation of the courts in a country that should be the representation of free and democracy. I’m so pissed of with this bulls… also knowing that many senators and representatives (and maybe some people from the DOJ) might have known of this before hand and already made money trading short against Apple. This is just bullsH…!!!! 
    KumingaKierkegaardenmrstepwilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 71 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    Greensill, Wirecard AG are two examples where they didn’t just go after companies, but shut them down. Glencore they heavily fined for taking bribes. That aside, the reason they probably do is that American companies could be coming in thinking they can do whatever they want while most EU companies are playing by the rules?
    You just made my point. Those companies are not Google or Apple. Also Notice the EU never does anything bs China,….
    Your  point was that the EU generally only goes after American companies. That is not true. I gave you three examples where you were wrong. Not sure how that “makes your point”. As for China, they have put limits on Huawei 5G equipment so one can hardly say it “never does anything” against Chinese firms (your sentence was a little vague so I could be misquoting you there.)
    muthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondon
  • Reply 72 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member

    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    Jim Cramer gets a bad rap honestly. He is quite well respected in our world .
    They go ahead and buy buy buy! :smile: 
    Just for context, DOJ went after Microsoft about 20 years ago and they had a much better case honestly than this one.

    Today, 20 year later, same day government wants to interfere again with Apple, 

    Microsoft soft is at an all time high
    I’m sure Apple is thrilled with you insightful investment analysis /s 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 73 of 158
    I'm looking forward to the DoJ crushing Apple in court.

    Not buying this nonsense.  Apple has been breaking the law in a big way for years, it's time for them to pay.
    lol. Not an antitrust lawyer are you? Haters gonna… go somewhere else, troll.
    9secondkox2StrangeDaysh2pBart Ywilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 74 of 158
    As much as the world is a better place for Apple having existing, I feel that Apple has to be taken down a notch - forced obsolescence in operating systems, software, hardware, and online services; morality police in passwords and data; over the top DEI initiatives; endless 'highly exclusive' proprietary wireless, chips, and online services; etc., etc. Apple hasn't done much really, really wrong as they have horribly neglected to do much 'politically' and socially right. This means they should win the suit but lose much money, customer loyalty, and developer/vendor attention/ service. Maybe a 30% drop in stock prices can deride the Arrogance. Hopefully, Apple will be a bit more like Tesla with absurdly open protocols and standardization - benefitting the industry more and the bottom line less.
    “Tell me you’ve never run a business without telling me you’ve never run a business. Particularly not a tech or automotive business.”
    Kuminga9secondkox2Bart Ywilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 75 of 158
    KumingaKuminga Posts: 32member
    morphos said:
    After the decision about Elon Musk compensation package, now this nuts action from the DOJ. Seeing all this from the outside I just feel the US judges have entered in some sort of lunacy zone! Or maybe all this is just a disgusting and revolting political appropriation of the courts in a country that should be the representation of free and democracy. I’m so pissed of with this bulls… also knowing that many senators and representatives (and maybe some people from the DOJ) might have known of this before hand and already made money trading short against Apple. This is just bullsH…!!!! 
    Not Judges exactly but DOJ, which is tied to current administration 
    9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 76 of 158
    KumingaKuminga Posts: 32member
    bulk001 said:

    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    Jim Cramer gets a bad rap honestly. He is quite well respected in our world .
    They go ahead and buy buy buy! :smile: 
    Just for context, DOJ went after Microsoft about 20 years ago and they had a much better case honestly than this one.

    Today, 20 year later, same day government wants to interfere again with Apple, 

    Microsoft soft is at an all time high
    I’m sure Apple is thrilled with you insightful investment analysis /s 
    I don’t care how Apple feels honestly. I just look at the facts 
    Bart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 77 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:

    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    This is a great article.

    I read through the complaint because I work for an investment firm and had to do it as soon as it came out.

    i have to say, this complaint is simply filled with pure idiocy and outdated claims, I am not a lawyer but it’s hard to see how the DOJ can prevail here.

    This complaint is a perfect example and great argument for small government and how stupid and outdated these people are quite honestly.


    The 5 percent stock loss today is a buying opportunity.

    The problem is that Jim Cramer agrees with you! (Sorry, insider investor joke where you always do the opposite of what Cramer recommends)
    Jim Cramer gets a bad rap honestly. He is quite well respected in our world .
    They go ahead and buy buy buy! :smile: 
    Just for context, DOJ went after Microsoft about 20 years ago and they had a much better case honestly than this one.

    Today, 20 year later, same day government wants to interfere again with Apple, 

    Microsoft soft is at an all time high
    I’m sure Apple is thrilled with you insightful investment analysis /s 
    I don’t care how Apple feels honestly. I just look at the facts 
    Um, what investment firm do you work for again? … 20 years ago the DOJ went after MSFT and now they are doing better than ever and on this one case I can now say that the “facts” are that it will be the same for AAPL! Yeah, solid investment thesis there! Again, /s
    edited March 21 williamlondon
  • Reply 78 of 158
    KumingaKuminga Posts: 32member
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    Greensill, Wirecard AG are two examples where they didn’t just go after companies, but shut them down. Glencore they heavily fined for taking bribes. That aside, the reason they probably do is that American companies could be coming in thinking they can do whatever they want while most EU companies are playing by the rules?
    You just made my point. Those companies are not Google or Apple. Also Notice the EU never does anything bs China,….
    Your  point was that the EU generally only goes after American companies. That is not true. I gave you three examples where you were wrong. Not sure how that “makes your point”. As for China, they have put limits on Huawei 5G equipment so one can hardly say it “never does anything” against Chinese firms (your sentence was a little vague so I could be misquoting you there.)
    Talk to me when EU goes after the biggest Chinese company or their own biggest company. Or you think the Chinese companies or Biggest European companies are just angels compared to Apple Evil Empire.

    Please, it quite obvious EU has no fear of any repercussions from American leadership when they attack American companies that they would get of it’s a Chinese company or big European companies 
    edited March 21 thtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 79 of 158
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    That’s because the EU bureaucracy has some notable corruption issues and has long been protectionist when it comes to its markets. Farming in particular, but others as well.

    This information isn’t hard to find, mind you.
    thtBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 80 of 158
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 764member
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    Kuminga said:
    bulk001 said:
    bulk001 said:
    Only time will tell if you are right. Why don’t you reschedule this post for an update in 2 years. Personally my money is on the DOJ who, you know has actual lawyers and stuff, as opposed to two writers of an Apple blog. 
    If only Apple had a few actual lawyers and stuff.
    Couple of thoughts, it isn’t Apple’s lawyers that AppleInsider is quoting. I doubt that Apple’s lawyer's see this as this simple or are so cavalier.  Further, Apple couldn’t win a case where Cook made statements on a QER which is typically covered by a catch all disclaimer that is almost lawsuit proof and paid out close to a half billion dollars that AppleInsider then blew off as insignificant. They couldn’t hold off the EU regulations and also just got hit with a 1.84B Euro fine. Their brilliant legal minds also sued a tiny company with a pear logo and ended up having to help redesign their logo given the public blowback. They lost the Apple Watch case and settled with Qualcomm. This is their top notch legal team that they are bringing to this fight?
    The EU if you noticed, generally  only goes after American Companies and never their own companies.
    Greensill, Wirecard AG are two examples where they didn’t just go after companies, but shut them down. Glencore they heavily fined for taking bribes. That aside, the reason they probably do is that American companies could be coming in thinking they can do whatever they want while most EU companies are playing by the rules?
    You just made my point. Those companies are not Google or Apple. Also Notice the EU never does anything bs China,….
    Your  point was that the EU generally only goes after American companies. That is not true. I gave you three examples where you were wrong. Not sure how that “makes your point”. As for China, they have put limits on Huawei 5G equipment so one can hardly say it “never does anything” against Chinese firms (your sentence was a little vague so I could be misquoting you there.)
    Talk to me when EU goes after the biggest Chinese company or their own biggest company. Or you think the Chinese companies or Biggest European companies are just angels compared to Apple Evil Empire.

    Please, it quite obvious EU has no fear of any repercussions from American leadership when they attack American companies that they would get of it’s a Chinese company or big European companies 
    I gave you one. You said the EU never goes after Chinese companies. That is again not true. I am noticing a trend here in your posts …
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