I think they're going to find that Malicious Compliance is what's happening here. Are about the terms and they will meet them to the letter knowing a court will rule in the favor of the companies involved.
The EU is very fond of trying to control successful American business, yet they are not so good at creating a positive environment to create European high tech businesses! The people who come under the bureaucracy umbrella of the European Union have marginal inputs or control over how the EU operates!
Apple's lawyers and those of its Silicon Valley neighbors do not impress. When you're fighting an opponent with the size and reach of the EU, you need to be careful not to leave any legal loose ends lying about. They will come around to bite.
That's why I took care when I settled a copyright dispute with one of the largest literary estates on the planet represented near the last by one of the top one-hundred largest law firms in the U.S. Yes, I'd won handily. My opponents bailed out rather than risk losing on concurrent motions for summary judgment. They told the judge they'll settle out of court. Shortly after, the federal judge gave me a final victory up by dismissing their suit "with prejudice." That meant that the estate could never bring it up again. I'd won on the merits, a powerful fair-use argument I transformed into literary commentary for the closing chapter of my contested book, Untangling Tolkien. But I took an additional precautions. I negotiated a written settlement that removed all doubt and left me free to publish unhindered by them under any circumstances.
Apple (and I suspect the rest) are taking the opposite tack, pushing back against the law and the ruling in an effort to see how much they can get away with. If they had a scrap of sense, they would have followed up this court decision by a written settlement that specified just what they could and could not do. By not doing that, they're facing yet another clash with the EU, In addition, they're facing additional disputes with the DOJ in the U.S. along with lawsuits from the AGs in at least 12 states and civil disputes that are popping up all over.
If this was a Western movie, a flock of hungry vultures would have begun to circle over their heads signaling yet more trouble to come.
It is so scary how the EU is mirroring Atlas Shrugged.
I'm an Apple shareholder - and to tell you the truth - I'd be OK if they would just comply with spirit of the EU directives - but like "red oak" stated above - just add an additional FEE and call it EU DMA Compliance - the government adds these types of FEES all the time so if Apple does - even the elites at the WEF wouldn't complain. Oh wait...
Maybe it’s time for platform companies to switch to a licensing model. Only the companies that pay for a license to the IP get to develop at all. No more open development whatsoever.
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
inkling said: Apple (and I suspect the rest) are taking the opposite tack, pushing back against the law and the ruling in an effort to see how much they can get away with. If they had a scrap of sense, they would have followed up this court decision by a written settlement that specified just what they could and could not do.
The EU didn't take Apple to court. They wrote new laws. As a result of that approach, there are no precedents in terms of how the DMA is enforced or how courts will interpret the DMA. Apple believes that they have complied with how the DMA was written. The EU may or may not agree with that but will be required to state what part of the DMA is being violated if they don't and that could end up in courts.
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
Eh... USPS is running a government monopoly on letters and mailboxes with subsidies. Are you really that happy about service and pricing at USPS? And Amtrak... seems you just can't get enough services from government monopolies loaded with tax funding.
EU forced competition on rail in 2010 and the postal directive has opened competition on letters as well. We do add subsidies as needed, but we let real companies compete on services and pricing. No USPS or Amtrak here.
Communists? What term do you use for the EU? I see them as being an economic dictatorship over Europe. The biggest problem with all these lawsuits by the EU is that the EU is struggling to produce much of anything that people outside of the EU really want to buy.
1. The politicians elected to the EU and in the EU are mixed. Italy and Hungary are very much to the right while Greece has been communist at times. But still... all democracies. "Economic dictatorship"? Really?!? Go check EU countries like Luxembourg, Malta, and Ireland... their economies are based on banking, gaming, and corporations. Not much dictatorship.
2. US is running a huge trade deficit towards the EU. Seems we're doing fine in producing what you want. From BMW to Wegovy.
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
Eh... USPS is running a government monopoly on letters and mailboxes with subsidies. Are you really that happy about service and pricing at USPS? And Amtrak... seems you just can't get enough services from government monopolies loaded with tax funding.
EU forced competition on rail in 2010 and the postal directive has opened competition on letters as well. We do add subsidies as needed, but we let real companies compete on services and pricing. No USPS or Amtrak here.
Actually, I am happy about the service and pricing of the USPS, which delivers to all communities at a fair price, thanks for asking, and given that the U.S. isn't as passenger train friendly as Europe is, almost certainly due to distances, I am also happy that the U.S. has Amtrak. Bet you weren't aware that the U.S. subsidizes air travel to smaller, rural communities.
Decades ago, I drove something on the order of 2800 miles in 4 days, from Reno to Fairbanks, so that I could have my vehicle with me for my summer job as a smokejumper. That would be similar to driving from Lisbon to Talinn. Dead Horse to Key West would likely be the longest trip at 5500 miles/8850 km, a significant portion through Canada.
Communists? What term do you use for the EU? I see them as being an economic dictatorship over Europe. The biggest problem with all these lawsuits by the EU is that the EU is struggling to produce much of anything that people outside of the EU really want to buy.
1. The politicians elected to the EU and in the EU are mixed. Italy and Hungary are very much to the right while Greece has been communist at times. But still... all democracies. "Economic dictatorship"? Really?!? Go check EU countries like Luxembourg, Malta, and Ireland... their economies are based on banking, gaming, and corporations. Not much dictatorship.
2. US is running a huge trade deficit towards the EU. Seems we're doing fine in producing what you want. From BMW to Wegovy.
The EU is certainly doing "fine" but a "huge" U.S. $131B trade deficit isn't something I worry about. I did look at the Euro / Dollar exchange rate, and it is getting close to parity, so a stronger Dollar does mean that the U.S. gets a better deal on buying from the EU, currently.
The EU should be concerned about its aging and declining population, and competition with its other major trading partner, China, where the EU does run a trade deficit, and I would be very worried about China's entry into the EU automotive market.
I would be concerned about how "brittle" the EU becomes politically as economic growth continues at a slow pace, but hey, at least you aren't the UK.
2. US is running a huge trade deficit towards the EU. Seems we're doing fine in producing what you want. From BMW to Wegovy.
It has grown to 30B with EU. More money than I have LOL, but that is trivial compared to China which is almost $400B. Yes the EU makes things. But China makes things cheaper, especially high value tech.
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
Eh... USPS is running a government monopoly on letters and mailboxes with subsidies. Are you really that happy about service and pricing at USPS? And Amtrak... seems you just can't get enough services from government monopolies loaded with tax funding.
EU forced competition on rail in 2010 and the postal directive has opened competition on letters as well. We do add subsidies as needed, but we let real companies compete on services and pricing. No USPS or Amtrak here.
Actually, I am happy about the service and pricing of the USPS, which delivers to all communities at a fair price, thanks for asking, and given that the U.S. isn't as passenger train friendly as Europe is, almost certainly due to distances, I am also happy that the U.S. has Amtrak. Bet you weren't aware that the U.S. subsidizes air travel to smaller, rural communities.
Decades ago, I drove something on the order of 2800 miles in 4 days, from Reno to Fairbanks, so that I could have my vehicle with me for my summer job as a smokejumper. That would be similar to driving from Lisbon to Talinn. Dead Horse to Key West would likely be the longest trip at 5500 miles/8850 km, a significant portion through Canada.
I threw the gov monopoly example in for shits & giggles, mostly over the fact that a central feature of governments is to act as a gatekeeper directly or anoint a proxy, yet think that’s a valid prerogative. I don’t necessarily disagree with that distinction, just pointing out the hypocrisy. (For example, for better or worse, governments have a monopoly on murder, and enforce it assiduously.)
But thanks for the little pointers on the train resources. I’ve worked as a subcontractor for a number of city and regional rail systems, so have an abiding interest in their evolution.
Europe’s rail systems are a real hodgepodge, with varying degrees of comfort and convenience to travelers. Most are showing signs of aging infrastructure, despite being seemingly well maintained and funded. (Watch a few YouTube videos — it’s a popular topic with some particularly well done material.)
Anyway, it’s clear that litigate and delay is the way to go. So many circumstances could change over time.
[Maybe this is all a conspiracy to funnel money to NATO countries for preparing to counter Russia’s current and future invasion plans. Sorry, had to poke the tinfoil hat brigade. I’d really rather be shot by comrade murder squad than deal with the Randian drivel that’s been seeping in here. But I digress. Apologies.]
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
Eh... USPS is running a government monopoly on letters and mailboxes with subsidies. Are you really that happy about service and pricing at USPS? And Amtrak... seems you just can't get enough services from government monopolies loaded with tax funding.
EU forced competition on rail in 2010 and the postal directive has opened competition on letters as well. We do add subsidies as needed, but we let real companies compete on services and pricing. No USPS or Amtrak here.
Actually, I am happy about the service and pricing of the USPS, which delivers to all communities at a fair price, thanks for asking, and given that the U.S. isn't as passenger train friendly as Europe is, almost certainly due to distances, I am also happy that the U.S. has Amtrak. Bet you weren't aware that the U.S. subsidizes air travel to smaller, rural communities.
Decades ago, I drove something on the order of 2800 miles in 4 days, from Reno to Fairbanks, so that I could have my vehicle with me for my summer job as a smokejumper. That would be similar to driving from Lisbon to Talinn. Dead Horse to Key West would likely be the longest trip at 5500 miles/8850 km, a significant portion through Canada.
I threw the gov monopoly example in for shits & giggles, mostly over the fact that a central feature of governments is to act as a gatekeeper directly or anoint a proxy, yet think that’s a valid prerogative. I don’t necessarily disagree with that distinction, just pointing out the hypocrisy. (For example, for better or worse, governments have a monopoly on murder, and enforce it assiduously.)
But thanks for the little pointers on the train resources. I’ve worked as a subcontractor for a number of city and regional rail systems, so have an abiding interest in their evolution.
Europe’s rail systems are a real hodgepodge, with varying degrees of comfort and convenience to travelers. Most are showing signs of aging infrastructure, despite being seemingly well maintained and funded. (Watch a few YouTube videos — it’s a popular topic with some particularly well done material.)
Anyway, it’s clear that litigate and delay is the way to go. So many circumstances could change over time.
[Maybe this is all a conspiracy to funnel money to NATO countries for preparing to counter Russia’s current and future invasion plans. Sorry, had to poke the tinfoil hat brigade. I’d really rather be shot by comrade murder squad than deal with the Randian drivel that’s been seeping in here. But I digress. Apologies.]
I've linked to a map of Amtrak routes and potential high speed rail projects;
Distance and geography, the Rockies and the Sierra, plus the unpopulated Great Plains, limit passenger rail service; there are only four practical routes available to get to the West Coast, and those are serviced by Amtrak.
Best chances are Dallas to Houston, and Los Angeles to Las Vegas; the last would be a very profitable route!
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
Eh... USPS is running a government monopoly on letters and mailboxes with subsidies. Are you really that happy about service and pricing at USPS? And Amtrak... seems you just can't get enough services from government monopolies loaded with tax funding.
EU forced competition on rail in 2010 and the postal directive has opened competition on letters as well. We do add subsidies as needed, but we let real companies compete on services and pricing. No USPS or Amtrak here.
Per the USPS: "The Postal Service is generally self-funded. This means that no tax dollars are used to keep the lights on at its many facilities across the country. The Postal Service, instead, relies on the revenue it generates from the sale of stamps, products, and services to fund its operations."
Per Investopedia: "Amtrak receives considerable subsidies from both state and federal governments but it's managed as a for-profit company. This isn't unusual. No country in the world operates a passenger rail system without public support."
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Or not. What do I know?
That's why I took care when I settled a copyright dispute with one of the largest literary estates on the planet represented near the last by one of the top one-hundred largest law firms in the U.S. Yes, I'd won handily. My opponents bailed out rather than risk losing on concurrent motions for summary judgment. They told the judge they'll settle out of court. Shortly after, the federal judge gave me a final victory up by dismissing their suit "with prejudice." That meant that the estate could never bring it up again. I'd won on the merits, a powerful fair-use argument I transformed into literary commentary for the closing chapter of my contested book, Untangling Tolkien. But I took an additional precautions. I negotiated a written settlement that removed all doubt and left me free to publish unhindered by them under any circumstances.
Apple (and I suspect the rest) are taking the opposite tack, pushing back against the law and the ruling in an effort to see how much they can get away with. If they had a scrap of sense, they would have followed up this court decision by a written settlement that specified just what they could and could not do. By not doing that, they're facing yet another clash with the EU, In addition, they're facing additional disputes with the DOJ in the U.S. along with lawsuits from the AGs in at least 12 states and civil disputes that are popping up all over.
If this was a Western movie, a flock of hungry vultures would have begun to circle over their heads signaling yet more trouble to come.
It is so scary how the EU is mirroring Atlas Shrugged.
I'm an Apple shareholder - and to tell you the truth - I'd be OK if they would just comply with spirit of the EU directives - but like "red oak" stated above - just add an additional FEE and call it EU DMA Compliance - the government adds these types of FEES all the time so if Apple does - even the elites at the WEF wouldn't complain. Oh wait...
Also, I’d like the EU to open up all transportation systems to third party availability, with no tax subsidies. No more government monopolies.
EU forced competition on rail in 2010 and the postal directive has opened competition on letters as well. We do add subsidies as needed, but we let real companies compete on services and pricing. No USPS or Amtrak here.
2. US is running a huge trade deficit towards the EU. Seems we're doing fine in producing what you want. From BMW to Wegovy.
Decades ago, I drove something on the order of 2800 miles in 4 days, from Reno to Fairbanks, so that I could have my vehicle with me for my summer job as a smokejumper. That would be similar to driving from Lisbon to Talinn. Dead Horse to Key West would likely be the longest trip at 5500 miles/8850 km, a significant portion through Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkOLKzgjNj0
Key West, FL to Deadhorse AK
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/us-economy-is-remarkably-strong-as-eu-weak-oecd-economist-says
The EU should be concerned about its aging and declining population, and competition with its other major trading partner, China, where the EU does run a trade deficit, and I would be very worried about China's entry into the EU automotive market.
I would be concerned about how "brittle" the EU becomes politically as economic growth continues at a slow pace, but hey, at least you aren't the UK.
It has grown to 30B with EU. More money than I have LOL, but that is trivial compared to China which is almost $400B. Yes the EU makes things. But China makes things cheaper, especially high value tech.
But thanks for the little pointers on the train resources. I’ve worked as a subcontractor for a number of city and regional rail systems, so have an abiding interest in their evolution.
Europe’s rail systems are a real hodgepodge, with varying degrees of comfort and convenience to travelers. Most are showing signs of aging infrastructure, despite being seemingly well maintained and funded. (Watch a few YouTube videos — it’s a popular topic with some particularly well done material.)
Anyway, it’s clear that litigate and delay is the way to go. So many circumstances could change over time.
[Maybe this is all a conspiracy to funnel money to NATO countries for preparing to counter Russia’s current and future invasion plans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/08/30/us-high-speed-rail-projects/
Distance and geography, the Rockies and the Sierra, plus the unpopulated Great Plains, limit passenger rail service; there are only four practical routes available to get to the West Coast, and those are serviced by Amtrak.
Best chances are Dallas to Houston, and Los Angeles to Las Vegas; the last would be a very profitable route!
https://www.businessinsider.com/high-speed-rail-project-greenlit-vegas-la-brightline-10-billion-2023-3
Per Investopedia: "Amtrak receives considerable subsidies from both state and federal governments but it's managed as a for-profit company. This isn't unusual. No country in the world operates a passenger rail system without public support."