Maybe Trump should change USA to The Failed Sate..
Orange convicted felon can sign whatever executive order he wants and most US people believe the crap.
So much inane silliness, waste of time, waste of money, waste of focus, etc., from the top.
What problem does this solve?
I suppose the US could declare ownership of the Gulf of Mexico and sell the naming rights to the highest bidder, you know, just like sports stadiums. I can see it now ... the Gulf of Alphabet, the Gulf of BMW, X Biggy Pond, Saudi Aramco's Other Gulf, etc ...
We are so screwed if this is considered a priority.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
Trying to sanewash Trump only hurts everyone else.
Sanewash? This post only points to how deeply cynical Trump is of his own magamoron supporters, that he lies to them about stupid promises that can't be kept, but then goes through the motions of a big reality show signing of XL-sized but largely ineffectual Executive Orders that will keep his dumb-minions sure that he's "doing something." By the way, can someone point me to the wall that Mexico paid for? I'd love to see it. Or all the infrastructure he rebuilt. And I keep inquiring about that "way better and much cheaper" replacement for Obamacare health insurance he promised 8 years ago, but apparently it's lost in the "concept" stage of development.
I hope his sheep realize that Executive Orders are weak and temporary edicts. The moment his second and final term is over, the Democrat elected to clean up his mess AGAIN will reverse all of this petty BS.
Yeah, but... the wild card this time around is SCOTUS. You know--same court that anointed him King above the law that rules mere mortal men. Seriously though--I expect he'll lose A LOT at the district and appeals court levels, but Trump is going to take everything to SCOTUS, and we've seen how willing his employees of the Trump Organization who hold a 6-3 majority there are willing to take on at a moment's notice whatever bag of legal shite he wants to dump at their doorstep.
... And I keep inquiring about that "way better and much cheaper" replacement for Obamacare health insurance he promised 8 years ago, but apparently it's lost in the "concept" stage of development. ...
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I don't think Wes is the one that needs to look up US jurisdiction.
I would encourage you to look deeper into that issue. If someone sneaks into your house, does that mean you're obligated to make them part of your family and give them your resources? The 14th amendment was created to grant citizenship to former slaves during the Reconstruction.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I'll repeat what I said in a previous thread: wtf are you talking about?
Low effort, poor tact comment. Not unexpected, though.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I'll repeat what I said in a previous thread: wtf are you talking about?
Low effort, poor tact comment. Not unexpected, though.
I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm seriously asking what you're talking about. Explain why I need to look up those terms and why you think I wouldn't know their meaning.
Because it feels like you started a conversation from the middle and I'm missing some context for how you arrived there.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I'll repeat what I said in a previous thread: wtf are you talking about?
Low effort, poor tact comment. Not unexpected, though.
I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm seriously asking what you're talking about. Explain why I need to look up those terms and why you think I wouldn't know their meaning.
Because it feels like you started a conversation from the middle and I'm missing some context for how you arrived there.
I didn't say you were mean, but ok. Look three posts up.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I'll repeat what I said in a previous thread: wtf are you talking about?
I put money down that Wesley knows more about US jurisdiction than Trump does. As a Mexican-American, and I AM American, even if it’s a little embarrassing right now, it’s actually a little insulting that he’s trying to take the name Mexico out. Why, because he doesn’t like Mexicans? Are we all still rapists and murderers? Or did he flip flop on that, too, like he flip flopped from Democrat to Republican.
He also wants Canada and Greenland. It’s not enough settlers took the natives’ land and killed them all off with diseases, he wants to wipe out Mexicans, Canadians and Greenlanders, too. Isn’t that a little Putin-ish? And WTF is up with the First Ladies’ sieg heil? Wow. Just…wow. How can you NOT say it’s embarrassing to be an American right now?
This is all so silly. I mean… America has a “New Mexico”. America has its Mexico separate from Mexico. America’s Mexico doesn’t border the Golf of Mexico, but… whatever. America has a Mexico. And Mexico has two Californias (as well as a Gulf of California). Is America also going to demand that Mexico ceases using its “California” names? This is so incredibly silly and petty that it hurts my brain. And it hasn’t even been a full week yet. It hasn’t even been half a week yet.
This is all so silly. I mean… America has a “New Mexico”. America has its Mexico separate from Mexico. America’s Mexico doesn’t border the Golf of Mexico, but… whatever. America has a Mexico. And Mexico has two Californias (as well as a Gulf of California). Is America also going to demand that Mexico ceases using its “California” names? This is so incredibly silly and petty that it hurts my brain. And it hasn’t even been a full week yet. It barely been half of a week.
This is all so silly. I mean… America has a “New Mexico”. America has its Mexico separate from Mexico. America’s Mexico doesn’t border the Golf of Mexico, but… whatever. America has a Mexico. And Mexico has two Californias (as well as a Gulf of California). Is America also going to demand that Mexico ceases using its “California” names? This is so incredibly silly and petty that it hurts my brain. And it hasn’t even been a full week yet. It hasn’t even been half a week yet.
Off Topic: I recall being on some excursion off a cruise ship in some Central American country or possibly Mexico; when the local tour guide asked where everyone was from he (nicely and playfully) corrected everyone that said "America" that the they were still in America. He then said they should use "United States". I always thought it was a dumb statement/argument because 1) the context was clear that they were referring to a nation, 2) only one nation in the world uses America in its name, and 3) Mexico's official name includes "United States" which in English would be United Mexican States or in Spanish is Estados Unidos Mexicanos, which makes it more ambiguous than simply saying America.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I don't think Wes is the one that needs to look up US jurisdiction.
I would encourage you to look deeper into that issue. If someone sneaks into your house, does that mean you're obligated to make them part of your family and give them your resources? The 14th amendment was created to grant citizenship to former slaves during the Reconstruction.
The text of the 14th Amendment is quite unambiguous,
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It doesn't say anything about applying only to former slaves. There aren't any restrictions at all such as that their parents are citizens, or even in the country legally. It clearly and simply says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." There's no wiggle room there. The idea that The Constitution can be amended by executive order is a pill too bitter for even the corrupt right wing of SCOTUS to swallow. But, you know, maybe they'll go along, and then the next President (or, who knows, maybe even this one) can simply repeal the 2nd Amendment by executive order.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I don't think Wes is the one that needs to look up US jurisdiction.
I would encourage you to look deeper into that issue. If someone sneaks into your house, does that mean you're obligated to make them part of your family and give them your resources? The 14th amendment was created to grant citizenship to former slaves during the Reconstruction.
The text of the 14th Amendment is quite unambiguous,
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It doesn't say anything about applying only to former slaves. There aren't any restrictions at all such as that their parents are citizens, or even in the country legally. It clearly and simply says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." There's no wiggle room there. The idea that The Constitution can be amended by executive order is a pill too bitter for even the corrupt right wing of SCOTUS to swallow. But, you know, maybe they'll go along, and then the next President (or, who knows, maybe even this one) can simply repeal the 2nd Amendment by executive order.
Trump's EOs can't get around the 14th Amendment. HOWEVER Trump and his cronies can work to get SCOTUS Congress to repeal Amendments (and add new ones). Trump and his cronies can also do what they've already done, which is bully people who fear for their life, livelihood, and/or stock value into making decisions that are not good for the nation, as well and look the other way when states do something that's Federally illegal in a Red state (or when a Blue state needs assistance). Right now he's trying to get a bishop to apologize for asking everyone to be accepting of minorities... ya know, Jesusy shit.
edit: I expect him to try to make it "legal" for him to run for a 3rd term once we get to year 3.
I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes.
As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work? Are they not binding? For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment. Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?
Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.
For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.
You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.
Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.
I don't think Wes is the one that needs to look up US jurisdiction.
I would encourage you to look deeper into that issue. If someone sneaks into your house, does that mean you're obligated to make them part of your family and give them your resources? The 14th amendment was created to grant citizenship to former slaves during the Reconstruction.
The text of the 14th Amendment is quite unambiguous,
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It doesn't say anything about applying only to former slaves. There aren't any restrictions at all such as that their parents are citizens, or even in the country legally. It clearly and simply says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." There's no wiggle room there. The idea that The Constitution can be amended by executive order is a pill too bitter for even the corrupt right wing of SCOTUS to swallow. But, you know, maybe they'll go along, and then the next President (or, who knows, maybe even this one) can simply repeal the 2nd Amendment by executive order.
Trump's Eos can't get around the 14th Amendment. HOWEVER Trump and his cronies can work to get SCOTUS to repeal Amendments (and add new ones). Trump and his cronies can also do what they've already done, which is bully people who fear for their life, livelihood, and/or stock value into making decisions that are not good for the nation, as well and look the other way when states do something that's Federally illegal in a Red state (or when a Blue state needs assistance). Right now he's trying to get a bishop to apologize for asking everyone to be accepting of minorities... ya know, Jesusy shit.
SCOTUS can't repeal amendments or otherwise amend The Constitution because, you know, the process for that is laid out in The Constitution and doesn't involve SCOTUS. But, if the corrupt ring wing of SCOTUS wants to rule that an executive order that effectively amends the The Constitution is lawful, go right ahead, because target number 1 for the next Democratic president will be to issue an executive order that effectively repeals the 2nd Amendment and they'll have cleared the way.
Translation: End birthright citizenship via this avenue and we're coming for your guns, all of them.
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What problem does this solve?
I suppose the US could declare ownership of the Gulf of Mexico and sell the naming rights to the highest bidder, you know, just like sports stadiums. I can see it now ... the Gulf of Alphabet, the Gulf of BMW, X Biggy Pond, Saudi Aramco's Other Gulf, etc ...
We are so screwed if this is considered a priority.
Trump is an idiot savant con man, but otherwise dumb as dirt.
Yeah, but... the wild card this time around is SCOTUS. You know--same court that anointed him King above the law that rules mere mortal men. Seriously though--I expect he'll lose A LOT at the district and appeals court levels, but Trump is going to take everything to SCOTUS, and we've seen how willing his employees of the Trump Organization who hold a 6-3 majority there are willing to take on at a moment's notice whatever bag of legal shite he wants to dump at their doorstep.
You might want to read up on the history of that name…they didn't "change" the spelling. It's kind of complicated:
He also wants Canada and Greenland. It’s not enough settlers took the natives’ land and killed them all off with diseases, he wants to wipe out Mexicans, Canadians and Greenlanders, too. Isn’t that a little Putin-ish? And WTF is up with the First Ladies’ sieg heil? Wow. Just…wow. How can you NOT say it’s embarrassing to be an American right now?
It’s not really a distraction so much as it is an actual part of it.
It doesn't say anything about applying only to former slaves. There aren't any restrictions at all such as that their parents are citizens, or even in the country legally. It clearly and simply says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." There's no wiggle room there. The idea that The Constitution can be amended by executive order is a pill too bitter for even the corrupt right wing of SCOTUS to swallow. But, you know, maybe they'll go along, and then the next President (or, who knows, maybe even this one) can simply repeal the 2nd Amendment by executive order.
edit: I expect him to try to make it "legal" for him to run for a 3rd term once we get to year 3.
Translation: End birthright citizenship via this avenue and we're coming for your guns, all of them.