Tim Cook says Apple's DEI program may change in the future, but only if required by law

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During a shareholders' meeting on Tuesday, Apple CEO Tim Cook explained that the company might have to alter its DEI program policies as the US legal landscape shifts.

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Apple CEO Tim Cook said the company's DEI program might see changes in the future.



On February 25, Apple held its annual shareholder meeting for 2025. Though multiple issues and proposals were discussed, a DEI-related proposal from shareholders belonging to a conservative think-tank, the so-called "National Center for Public Policy Research," garnered the most attention.

They claimed that Apple's current DEI program might pose "litigation, reputational, and financial risks" to the company. Apple understandably fought back and urged shareholders to vote against the proposal.

Owners of Apple shares overwhelmingly voted to maintain the iPhone maker's current diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) program along with its associated policies and hiring practices.

Mere minutes after the decision was made, however, Apple CEO Tim Cook commented on the future of the iPhone maker's DEI programs. As was reported by The BBC, Cook said that Apple's DEI program could change in the future, should there be a need to comply with changes in laws and regulations.

"As the legal landscape around this issue evolves, we may need to make some changes to comply, but our north star of dignity and respect for everyone and our work to that end will never waver," said the CEO, adding that the company would continue to work on "a culture of belonging where everyone can do their best work."

During the shareholders' meeting, Cook also pointed out that Apple's strength comes precisely from its diversity, and that there were no DEI-related hiring quotas. The CEO explained that the company's culture was one where "people with diverse backgrounds and perspectives come together," and said that the iPhone maker would remain "committed to the values that have always made us who we are."

Cook's most recent statements come as no surprise, given his previous comments on related issues. The NCPPR filed a separate proposition in 2014, when the right-wing group asked Apple to justify its environmental and accessibility practices, saying that they might negatively affect return on investment or ROI.

"When I think about making our products accessible for the people that can't see or to help a kid with autism," Cook responded, adding "I don't think about a bloody ROI."

Apple's stance on its diversity, equity, and inclusion policies has remained strong and consistent over the years. While some tech companies rushed to gain the favor of President Trump, Apple likely wouldn't follow suit unless compelled to do so.

Apple likely won't change its DEI policies unless forced



Though Cook outright said that Apple "may need to make some changes to comply," this doesn't mean that a policy change will arrive in the immediate future. If such changes were to happen, they would only be implemented to ensure compliance with law.

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President Trump could theoretically force Apple and other companies into changing DEI programs.



The comments made by Apple's CEO could be seen as little more than a public statement, meant to appease those who want changes to the company's DEI program.

Many US companies, including the likes of Meta, Amazon, and Goldman Sachs, have all rolled back or outright ended their DEI programs, and they did so to gain the favor of the Trump administration. President Trump has called for the end of DEI programs in both the government and private sector, so it makes sense that some companies would opt for immediate changes.

Tim Cook, however, already has an established strategy for dealing with President Trump, and it appears as though he's been trying to appease his close ally Elon Musk, who is in charge of the so-called "Department of Government Efficiency." Though the two are obviously against DEI policies, there is currently no law that would force Apple to abandon its DEI program.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in SFFA V. Harvard that discriminating based on race in college admissions violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. There's a belief that the ruling could impact corporate DEI programs, though no companies have yet been legally compelled to make changes.

Apple's own shareholders overwhelmingly voted to maintain the current DEI program, indicating that there is no significant desire for change on that front. The company itself previously urged shareholders to vote against proposed DEI changes, meaning that the company leadership has no intention of removing or scaling back the existing Inclusion and Diversity program, either.

While Apple's DEI program could see changes in the future, particularly during the next four years under the Trump administration, there are no indications that this will happen anytime soon. At the time of writing, there are currently no laws which would require private companies to eliminate their DEI programs.



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  • Reply 1 of 21
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,550member
    What I don't get it is that DEI has nothing to do with Human Resources's hiring. It's about learning different viewpoints of different people from different cultures, embracing their diversity, and adding value to their services/products that will benefit minorities. 
     
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  • Reply 2 of 21
    As a former Apple employee, I can say I’m proud of the diversity practices that the company followed in the HW engineering organization and I presume there would be similar practices elsewhere. I think people are afraid that DEI means quotas, but that’s not at all what it means. At Apple, it meant putting in the extra effort to make sure qualified candidates from all backgrounds were encouraged to apply. One way they did this was to re-write job descriptions in a way that wouldn’t discourage applicants from underrepresented groups. Seems subtle, but there’s some research supporting this. 

    On a higher level, they’d look at which groups weren’t being represented in the applicant pool and try to figure out why that was. If it was because that group was underrepresented in STEM fields, they would support causes that encouraged those to get into STEM. That could be in the form of scholarships, sending employees to do outreach at various conferences, and many more. 

    Glad to see they’re staying the course. 
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  • Reply 3 of 21
    Remember when Apple was the company with all the "Think Different" posters,  Apple proud of it cult status going it's way,   not Tim Cook is kissing the rump's rump.   It's not like Apple is a small company that could easily be crushed by Washington, Apple is big with plenty of cash to weather any political storm for what it knows right.   
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  • Reply 4 of 21
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,610member
    But at the risk of sounding heartless it seems pretty clear DEI measures have had an amazing return on investment. Brought in highly talented people in the business who might not have been exposed by regular hiring practices. Thinking about accessibility has clearly resulted in features that are great for everyone given every time new features are released there are articles about how they are hidden.

    Why not think of the “bloody ROI” and just say these initiatives have opened Apple’s eyes to investments with solid returns. 
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  • Reply 5 of 21
    Gotta hand it to conservative “thought” leaders, always coming up with new euphemisms for “ni@@er” for the benefit of their Y’all Qaeda base.
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  • Reply 6 of 21
    Pretty simple. Hire the most qualified candidates for the roles. In technical roles, most qualified = most able and willing to do the job most effectively.

    Race/gender/sexual preference have nothing to do with being able to do the job effectively.
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  • Reply 7 of 21
    mmatz said:
    Pretty simple. Hire the most qualified candidates for the roles. In technical roles, most qualified = most able and willing to do the job most effectively.

    Race/gender/sexual preference have nothing to do with being able to do the job effectively.
    I’m guessing you lack the self-awareness to realize you are arguing for DEI. 
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  • Reply 8 of 21
    Trump tells Apple to defy shareholder DEI vote

    now what? Apple cannot cave on this, if they do they might as well make the Tangerine Traitor a co-CEO.
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  • Reply 9 of 21
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,401member
    mmatz said:
    Pretty simple. Hire the most qualified candidates for the roles. In technical roles, most qualified = most able and willing to do the job most effectively.

    Race/gender/sexual preference have nothing to do with being able to do the job effectively.
    I’m guessing you lack the self-awareness to realize you are arguing for DEI. 
    Well, exactly. DEI programs are how you actually get closer to having a genuine meritocracy. As described above by former Apple employee @kdrummer, DEI first expands the applicant pool by making sure qualified applicants aren't artificially excluded or discouraged from applying. Second, it's going upstream to make sure underrepresented groups are getting opportunities to receive the education and training that will enable them to be competitive applicants. 

    Unfortunately, it's the people who rage against DEI while disingenuously singing the praises of meritocracy who really want to ensure there isn't a meritocracy, by forcing a return to practices that exclude minorities, women and others, and actively shutting down opportunities for those people from HR and hiring all the way back through school to prenatal care. The cognitive dissonance of it all is the current cadre of grossly unqualified podcasters and TV personalities tapped to lead the entire US government prattling on about "meritocracy" while scraping out every policy and program designed to ensure there actually is one. 

    So here we are with Tim Cook praising his company's DEI programs that have been ratified by shareholders, while cautioning that any changes to come will be the result of orders from those same unqualified leaders, and not from any change in Apple's intent to seek out, encourage and create the widest possible field of qualified applicants to work at the company.
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  • Reply 10 of 21
    This is exactly how all companies should have responded. It is so sad (and frightening) to watch so many companies crumble in the face of the new administration's absurdities. 

    Now if only Apple Maps hadn't caved on "Gulf of America" or at least had said "Gulf of America (Gulf of Mexico)". 
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  • Reply 11 of 21
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,002member
    kdrummer said:
    As a former Apple employee, I can say I’m proud of the diversity practices that the company followed in the HW engineering organization and I presume there would be similar practices elsewhere. I think people are afraid that DEI means quotas, but that’s not at all what it means. At Apple, it meant putting in the extra effort to make sure qualified candidates from all backgrounds were encouraged to apply. One way they did this was to re-write job descriptions in a way that wouldn’t discourage applicants from underrepresented groups. Seems subtle, but there’s some research supporting this. 

    On a higher level, they’d look at which groups weren’t being represented in the applicant pool and try to figure out why that was. If it was because that group was underrepresented in STEM fields, they would support causes that encouraged those to get into STEM. That could be in the form of scholarships, sending employees to do outreach at various conferences, and many more. 

    Glad to see they’re staying the course. 
    This is a very well stated and articulate synopsis of the way DEI is intended to work. I like the way you stated the diversity part. Too many people, like you mentioned, equate diversity as only being about racial, ethnic, gender, etc., factors. Some, but not all, companies view veterans as being part of a diverse group. Don't all politicians love veterans? Maybe when using their overgrown blowholes to get votes, but in practice, not so much.  Diversity applies to parents who paused their professional career to focus on raising a family and are now returning to the workforce. Who doesn't like mothers? Or dads? It applies to people who came up through non-traditional educational and career paths, including people who never obtained a college degree like Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, and Steve Jobs. Who doesn't love Clippy, light bulbs, or Apple?  

    People who are staunchly opposed to DEI should at least ask themselves why they view it in such a negative light. A common refrain I hear all of the time is that everyone should be viewed as individuals and all selection processes should be based solely on merit. That would be great if building and obtaining merit was done on a level playing field and was an equal opportunity for everyone. Before meritocracy was a touted as a way to level the playing field, merit was largely achieved through social standing, wealth, influence, legacy, social and professional connections, ... and did I say money? Yeah, money.

    So along comes meritocracy as the new standard and savior for the things DEI aimed to achieve. Now, only the best and brightest get a key to unlock the door to future success. But what happened next was that the same group of people who were privileged by the previous standard, in other words The Elite Class, figured out how to tune the meritocracy based system in their favor. I went to a public school that was at times little more than a herding pen. The Elites sent their kids to private schools, prep schools, and made sure their kids checked the box on every extracurricular activity that could possibly elevate their merit score. Some of my colleagues spent more money per year sending their kids to private middle and high schools than they would have spent sending them to MIT. I am not exaggerating. 

    Basically, we ended up back where we started, with the Elites running the show behind a facade of meritocracy and democracy. But the true selection process, e.g., wealth, social standing, and influence, just to name a few, are still the determining factor for who gets sent further up the line and who gets shunted into the scrap pile.  So from that perspective, meritocracy didn't really achieve what it set out to do, at least on a large scale and on the ground. There are obviously some victories and exceptions to be had, but on a large scale meritocracy and DEI didn't change the landscape much at all in terms of equal opportunity. If it isn't working shouldn't fixing it be still be in play rather than simply killing it?

    It seems like Apple is trying to make it work for them. In fact, some of the organizations that succumbed to the pressure to kill their DEI initiatives have started to look more closely at underrepresented candidates based on economics, social status, and availability or resources that shaped their comparative eligibility ... and they're seeing similar outcomes to what they were getting with DEI in place. I'm sure all hell will break loose when they find out that someone who doesn't come close to sharing their financial standing and status is being given an opportunity to elevate themselves in society. 

    I believe that those who want to kill DEI are really saying that they want to go back to the way things were before, which would save them a heck of a lot of time and money they've been spending on preparing their offspring to extend their Elite legacy into the future. Devaluing intellectuals, scientists, experts, medical researchers, consumer protections, constitutional precedents, international harmony, unions, etc., and anything that is attainable outside of the Elite class and their trust fund privilege needs to be done as quickly as possible. Adios meritocracy, the new sheriff in town is called loyalty, not loyalty to America or its founding principles, but loyalty to the leader, who is not the king in name only.  

    They do want to make America great again, but only for themselves, based on privileges afforded only to the Elites. but not for you. As long as they can keep grooming a large portion of the voting public to believe that they are somehow going to get something positive out of putting the old world order Elites back in charge, they will be calling the shots for a long time to come. At some point they may not need a voting public at all, you know, just like it is now with Russia and its owner, Putin. The transition from Representative Democracy to Bourgeois Democracy will be complete before we get $2.00 /gal gasoline and egg prices under $6.00 a dozen.
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  • Reply 12 of 21
    JinTechjintech Posts: 1,092member
    netrox said:
    What I don't get it is that DEI has nothing to do with Human Resources's hiring. It's about learning different viewpoints of different people from different cultures, embracing their diversity, and adding value to their services/products that will benefit minorities. 
     
    Don't you see, Trump cannot comprehend that so he has to get rid of it. Ignorance. Oh, and he's also racist. And a narcist. 
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  • Reply 13 of 21
    I’ve worked in Fortune 100 and startups alike, manage teams and have done plenty of hiring. And I’ve only seen sensible DEI policies — recognizing that diversity works, in biology and orgs. It’s how we get more approaches and solutions to customer problems. So when you have equally qualified candidates, augment your team with what’s missing. All white dudes? Hire qualified candidates that aren’t white dudes, etc.

    But the butthurts have it in their heads DEI means lowering the qualifications for talent. It does not. And then there are some in the majority ho see any inclusion as an assault on their entrenched power.
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  • Reply 14 of 21
    mmatz said:
    Pretty simple. Hire the most qualified candidates for the roles. In technical roles, most qualified = most able and willing to do the job most effectively.

    Race/gender/sexual preference have nothing to do with being able to do the job effectively.
    If you pretend race, gender, orientation, culture, etc, don’t play a role in team composition, you’re simply ignorant to how it does. You shouldn’t be in charge of building teams because you have a blind spot. Building the team with different races, genders, orientations and cultures (all qualified candidates) is how we build better teams that don’t suffer myopic approaches to solving problems. 
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  • Reply 15 of 21
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,700member
    I hope all common people will wake up, that proposed bounty/payment of $5 million with a gold card and the resulting in flux isn't gonna make housing affordability or life better for native born citizens of all types. All you need to do is look at Vancouver British Columbia, Sydney, Australia, Auckland, New Zealand for what happens to the native Citizens of all backgrounds in those respective countries. If you are in the great middle of the country, he does not care for you DEI Is just another distraction from the playbook…..
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  • Reply 16 of 21
    dewme said:
    kdrummer said:
    As a former Apple employee, I can say I’m proud of the diversity practices that the company followed in the HW engineering organization and I presume there would be similar practices elsewhere. I think people are afraid that DEI means quotas, but that’s not at all what it means. At Apple, it meant putting in the extra effort to make sure qualified candidates from all backgrounds were encouraged to apply. One way they did this was to re-write job descriptions in a way that wouldn’t discourage applicants from underrepresented groups. Seems subtle, but there’s some research supporting this. 

    On a higher level, they’d look at which groups weren’t being represented in the applicant pool and try to figure out why that was. If it was because that group was underrepresented in STEM fields, they would support causes that encouraged those to get into STEM. That could be in the form of scholarships, sending employees to do outreach at various conferences, and many more. 

    Glad to see they’re staying the course. 
    This is a very well stated and articulate synopsis of the way DEI is intended to work. I like the way you stated the diversity part. Too many people, like you mentioned, equate diversity as only being about racial, ethnic, gender, etc., factors. Some, but not all, companies view veterans as being part of a diverse group. Don't all politicians love veterans? Maybe when using their overgrown blowholes to get votes, but in practice, not so much.  Diversity applies to parents who paused their professional career to focus on raising a family and are now returning to the workforce. Who doesn't like mothers? Or dads? It applies to people who came up through non-traditional educational and career paths, including people who never obtained a college degree like Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, and Steve Jobs. Who doesn't love Clippy, light bulbs, or Apple?  
    Since you mentioned mothers/fathers returning to the workforce, you’d be happy to know that some 5 or more years ago, Apple started participating in a “Returnship Program,” basically internships for professionals who took time off to raise a family and don’t have the most recent job experience to be as competitive as other candidates. If I’m not mistaken, Apple was an early adopter of the practice before any other major companies followed suit.
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  • Reply 17 of 21
    I cannot fathom why @kdrummer's post would warrant a dislike, much less two.

    I guess it takes all kinds. 
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  • Reply 18 of 21
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,002member
    kdrummer said:
    dewme said:
    kdrummer said:
    As a former Apple employee, I can say I’m proud of the diversity practices that the company followed in the HW engineering organization and I presume there would be similar practices elsewhere. I think people are afraid that DEI means quotas, but that’s not at all what it means. At Apple, it meant putting in the extra effort to make sure qualified candidates from all backgrounds were encouraged to apply. One way they did this was to re-write job descriptions in a way that wouldn’t discourage applicants from underrepresented groups. Seems subtle, but there’s some research supporting this. 

    On a higher level, they’d look at which groups weren’t being represented in the applicant pool and try to figure out why that was. If it was because that group was underrepresented in STEM fields, they would support causes that encouraged those to get into STEM. That could be in the form of scholarships, sending employees to do outreach at various conferences, and many more. 

    Glad to see they’re staying the course. 
    This is a very well stated and articulate synopsis of the way DEI is intended to work. I like the way you stated the diversity part. Too many people, like you mentioned, equate diversity as only being about racial, ethnic, gender, etc., factors. Some, but not all, companies view veterans as being part of a diverse group. Don't all politicians love veterans? Maybe when using their overgrown blowholes to get votes, but in practice, not so much.  Diversity applies to parents who paused their professional career to focus on raising a family and are now returning to the workforce. Who doesn't like mothers? Or dads? It applies to people who came up through non-traditional educational and career paths, including people who never obtained a college degree like Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, and Steve Jobs. Who doesn't love Clippy, light bulbs, or Apple?  
    Since you mentioned mothers/fathers returning to the workforce, you’d be happy to know that some 5 or more years ago, Apple started participating in a “Returnship Program,” basically internships for professionals who took time off to raise a family and don’t have the most recent job experience to be as competitive as other candidates. If I’m not mistaken, Apple was an early adopter of the practice before any other major companies followed suit.
    This only reinforces my belief that Apple is actually putting money where their mouth is. It’s kind of like Apple’s AI and ML efforts. They were already investing in something that they viewed as adding value to their business even if they weren’t blowing their own horn about it. 

    Unfortunately, in today’s business and social climate, companies are being scrutinized for not blowing their own horn and especially if their horn is not sounding the notes that the self anointed judges have declared as being acceptable. This is most evident in cases where organizations that were applying DEI initiatives in a thoughtful manner that may have helped them are now publicly announcing that they are no longer going to do so. All of these theatrics are being performed for an audience of one. 

    I think it’s time to get back to talking more about Apple gadgets and technology again. There is no pleasure in politics but there are times when you are compelled to say something because it’s become an integral part of our lives and the “ignorance is bliss” thing can only shield you for so long. Moving it to the back burner is a reasonable compromise for me. 
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  • Reply 19 of 21
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,610member
    tronald said:
    This is exactly how all companies should have responded. It is so sad (and frightening) to watch so many companies crumble in the face of the new administration's absurdities. 

    Now if only Apple Maps hadn't caved on "Gulf of America" or at least had said "Gulf of America (Gulf of Mexico)". 
    Outside of America Apple maps still shows “Gulf of Mexico” and if you search for “Gulf of am” the top hit remains Gulf of Mexico. 
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  • Reply 20 of 21
    Apple stands firmly behind its principles of turning on a dime for fascists, but only if legal.
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