Apple smart glasses still a distant possibility as Apple considers its wearables future

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Apple is still working out how it can press forward with wearable devices, with it considering a possible switch away from bulky Apple Vision Pro headset instead creating the fabled Apple Glass by 2030.

Two pairs of sunglasses, black and white frames, on a dark gradient background.
Optimistic renders of what Apple Glass could look like



The wearable device ambitions of Apple are somewhat troubled, with the Apple Vision Pro considered a commercial flop in its first release. While it has other ways it can progress forward on the concept, it's still taking time to work out the best way forward.

In Sunday's Bloomberg newsletter, Mark Gurman writes that Apple is at least looking into different form factors. After axing its project to create AR glasses as an external Mac display earlier in 2025, Apple is now thinking about standalone AR glasses once again.

The report predicts that it could be three to five years before Apple manages to create a commercial version.

Apple is also thought to be coming up with its own variation of the Meta Ray-Ban glasses. As a device, it won't have AR capabilities, but could still offer other elements including cameras, microphones, audio, and AI.

There is also the ongoing project to incorporate cameras into AirPods, which can help bolster its AI efforts.

Massive hurdles to overcome



To create any sort of smart glasses like Apple Glass, Apple has to work around multiple issues with design. That includes somehow making the glasses lightweight enough to not be bulky or heavy, while still retaining additional functionality.

For something that could contain a battery to power all the extra hardware, this can be a challenge, even without a display.

It has multiple offices working on the concept, including studying the appeal of various features that could be incorporated. Internal testing has also been occurring for years, though in very hushed secrecy, even for Apple.

Back in 2017, an Apple Environment Health and Safety contractor report revealed someone needed "medical treatment beyond first aid" after testing a prototype. It was a very rare revelation that eyewear was being worked on within Apple's offices.

While the project to create a lightweight pair of smart spectacles is a challenge that's years in the making, it at least has the best champion within Apple.

At one time, CEO Tim Cook believed that creating AR glasses was the way forward instead of VR glasses. An approach of superimposing images on a real-world view was better in a non-isolating way compared to a headset like Apple Vision Pro.

Billions of research dollars later, Apple is still working on the problem. It's just something that could take years before a commercialized solution becomes available to purchase.

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  • Reply 1 of 11
    This is the direction that I would have thought they would have taken. Starting with some slim fashionable glasses and adding features to them. It would seem to fit better with the rest of their products than a bulbous headset.
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  • Reply 2 of 11
    Xedxed Posts: 3,109member
    This is the direction that I would have thought they would have taken. Starting with some slim fashionable glasses and adding features to them. It would seem to fit better with the rest of their products than a bulbous headset.
    AVP and this rumored headset aren't the same product. AR ≠ VR. Just like how Apple's VR solution came out a long time after the first modern, commercial VR headset, Apple's AR solution will likely follow a similar path. The technology simply isn't there right now for the form factor people are expecting. Frankly, AVP wasn't that long after Oculus Rift CV1 in 2016 considering the massive technology bump Apple included in their solution. And, no, I don't consider Google Glass or Snap Spectacles to be modern AR glasses.

    I know certain people on this forum like to call AVP a failure, but in the one year it's been out it's been a success in ways I thought would take years to achieve.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1c8laz0/apple_vision_pro_used_to_assist_doctor_during/
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  • Reply 3 of 11
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,551moderator
    This is the direction that I would have thought they would have taken. Starting with some slim fashionable glasses and adding features to them. It would seem to fit better with the rest of their products than a bulbous headset.
    The route they went with passthrough cameras was needed to get fully opaque graphics. With see-through glasses, the digital elements are semi-transparent so it would be harder to have features like immersive environments.

    Any type of AR glasses are still heavier than normal glasses and rest on the bridge of the nose. It would be better if they can eliminate the weight on the face with a visor form factor that sits in front of the eyes with no pressure on the face:





    Moving away from the ski goggles form factor shouldn't take 3-5 years. Moving the compute parts and dropping EyeSight would let them reach the size of the more compact VR headsets.

    Dyson made a set of headphones with an air purifier that sits in front of the face that can swivel out the way. This would just need to be an AR visor instead and they can make this just now, launch in 2026:




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  • Reply 4 of 11
    If they don’t release wearables, they will go out of business. 
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  • Reply 5 of 11
    Xedxed Posts: 3,109member
    If they don’t release wearables, they will go out of business. 
    Define wearables? I consider headphones and watches to be wearable. Do those count?
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  • Reply 6 of 11
    StrangeDaysstrangedays Posts: 13,167member
    The framing here is certainly incorrect — it’s not a “switch from” AVP to glasses. Obviously *everybody* wants amazing AR glasses, and have wanted them for dozens of years. Numerous books, films, and TV shows as evidence of that. But the reality of the tech has not been there. Certainly not when the AVP began, and probably not for many more years to come. 
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  • Reply 7 of 11
    StrangeDaysstrangedays Posts: 13,167member
    This is the direction that I would have thought they would have taken. Starting with some slim fashionable glasses and adding features to them. It would seem to fit better with the rest of their products than a bulbous headset.
    Yes if only that’s how technology worked — we could have skipped the CRT entirely and moved directly to flat panel displays. Alas, reality dictates craw, walk, run.
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  • Reply 8 of 11
    StrangeDaysstrangedays Posts: 13,167member

    Marvin said:
    This is the direction that I would have thought they would have taken. Starting with some slim fashionable glasses and adding features to them. It would seem to fit better with the rest of their products than a bulbous headset.
    Moving away from the ski goggles form factor shouldn't take 3-5 years. Moving the compute parts and dropping EyeSight would let them reach the size of the more compact VR headsets.

    Dyson made a set of headphones with an air purifier that sits in front of the face that can swivel out the way. This would just need to be an AR visor instead and they can make this just now, launch in 2026:


    Please explain where you’re devising your “should take” estimate? I’m really curious how you’ve determined it should be possible to lift & shift all of AVP’s tech into something smaller, as right now it sounds like you’ve just pulled that number out of the ether. 

    Putting a visor in front of the face wouldn’t block out light, so it would fail for VR applications. Perhaps for AR it would work, but I’d argue your concept would look no less ridiculous. Right now the AVP does AR amazingly well because you get near total field of view with their high-end display and cameras. You’re back to the same problem of miniaturization. I’m sure it will all get there one day, but this notion that it should only take a few years to put this into a very small form factor is detached from our reality.
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  • Reply 9 of 11
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,551moderator
    Please explain where you’re devising your “should take” estimate? I’m really curious how you’ve determined it should be possible to lift & shift all of AVP’s tech into something smaller, as right now it sounds like you’ve just pulled that number out of the ether. 

    Putting a visor in front of the face wouldn’t block out light, so it would fail for VR applications. Perhaps for AR it would work, but I’d argue your concept would look no less ridiculous. Right now the AVP does AR amazingly well because you get near total field of view with their high-end display and cameras. You’re back to the same problem of miniaturization. I’m sure it will all get there one day, but this notion that it should only take a few years to put this into a very small form factor is detached from our reality.
    It wouldn't be the visor alone, it has to be combined with another part. The main change is to move components away from the face. Just now everything is at the front so it puts all the weight on the face, which requires the large cushions at the front and back:



    A suspended visor doesn't need any cushions to hold the weight. It would still need to block light for immersive content but this wouldn't be a load-bearing cushion so would be much thinner and lighter.

    It's not so much miniaturization as changing the form factor to distribute the weight differently and that will in turn reduce the bulk of the product. There will be some opportunities to reduce size in a revision 2 model from tech advances too.

    Other companies are making lighter visors already. This one is just 186g with 4K displays, AVP is 600-650g:



    This design still puts the weight on the nose but that weight is light enough to be suspended. This form factor looks nicer than the above AVP form factor and Apple can make it look even nicer with a more modern design. One option could even be to have the lenses swivel in over each eye separately (image 2). Images 1 and 4 are probably the most practical form factors but all look nicer than the bulky headset form factor:


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  • Reply 10 of 11
    Xedxed Posts: 3,109member
    Marvin said:
    Please explain where you’re devising your “should take” estimate? I’m really curious how you’ve determined it should be possible to lift & shift all of AVP’s tech into something smaller, as right now it sounds like you’ve just pulled that number out of the ether. 

    Putting a visor in front of the face wouldn’t block out light, so it would fail for VR applications. Perhaps for AR it would work, but I’d argue your concept would look no less ridiculous. Right now the AVP does AR amazingly well because you get near total field of view with their high-end display and cameras. You’re back to the same problem of miniaturization. I’m sure it will all get there one day, but this notion that it should only take a few years to put this into a very small form factor is detached from our reality.
    It wouldn't be the visor alone, it has to be combined with another part. The main change is to move components away from the face. Just now everything is at the front so it puts all the weight on the face, which requires the large cushions at the front and back:

    [image]

    A suspended visor doesn't need any cushions to hold the weight. It would still need to block light for immersive content but this wouldn't be a load-bearing cushion so would be much thinner and lighter.

    It's not so much miniaturization as changing the form factor to distribute the weight differently and that will in turn reduce the bulk of the product. There will be some opportunities to reduce size in a revision 2 model from tech advances too.

    Other companies are making lighter visors already. This one is just 186g with 4K displays, AVP is 600-650g:

    [video]

    This design still puts the weight on the nose but that weight is light enough to be suspended. This form factor looks nicer than the above AVP form factor and Apple can make it look even nicer with a more modern design. One option could even be to have the lenses swivel in over each eye separately (image 2). Images 1 and 4 are probably the most practical form factors but all look nicer than the bulky headset form factor:

    [image]
    We all get that, but how do you propose it's done? Thunderbolt 5 has a baseline data transfer speed of 80 Gbps bi-directionally, and up to 120 Gbps uni-directionally, yet that's not even close to fast enough to have AR elements in your visor send and receive  info from a device in your pocket below your waist. And that's before we consider that if you want it to track your view to overlay items you'll need sensors and cameras, which not only add bulk to this think visor concept, but now need t send the data down the cable to be processed and then back up the cable to the visor to be displayed.

    We are so very far away from that being a reality that it's silly to talk to about.

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  • Reply 11 of 11
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,551moderator
    Xed said:
    Marvin said:
    Please explain where you’re devising your “should take” estimate? I’m really curious how you’ve determined it should be possible to lift & shift all of AVP’s tech into something smaller, as right now it sounds like you’ve just pulled that number out of the ether. 

    Putting a visor in front of the face wouldn’t block out light, so it would fail for VR applications. Perhaps for AR it would work, but I’d argue your concept would look no less ridiculous. Right now the AVP does AR amazingly well because you get near total field of view with their high-end display and cameras. You’re back to the same problem of miniaturization. I’m sure it will all get there one day, but this notion that it should only take a few years to put this into a very small form factor is detached from our reality.
    It wouldn't be the visor alone, it has to be combined with another part. The main change is to move components away from the face. Just now everything is at the front so it puts all the weight on the face, which requires the large cushions at the front and back:

    [image]

    A suspended visor doesn't need any cushions to hold the weight. It would still need to block light for immersive content but this wouldn't be a load-bearing cushion so would be much thinner and lighter.

    It's not so much miniaturization as changing the form factor to distribute the weight differently and that will in turn reduce the bulk of the product. There will be some opportunities to reduce size in a revision 2 model from tech advances too.

    Other companies are making lighter visors already. This one is just 186g with 4K displays, AVP is 600-650g:

    [video]

    This design still puts the weight on the nose but that weight is light enough to be suspended. This form factor looks nicer than the above AVP form factor and Apple can make it look even nicer with a more modern design. One option could even be to have the lenses swivel in over each eye separately (image 2). Images 1 and 4 are probably the most practical form factors but all look nicer than the bulky headset form factor:

    [image]
    We all get that, but how do you propose it's done? Thunderbolt 5 has a baseline data transfer speed of 80 Gbps bi-directionally, and up to 120 Gbps uni-directionally, yet that's not even close to fast enough to have AR elements in your visor send and receive  info from a device in your pocket below your waist. And that's before we consider that if you want it to track your view to overlay items you'll need sensors and cameras, which not only add bulk to this think visor concept, but now need t send the data down the cable to be processed and then back up the cable to the visor to be displayed.

    We are so very far away from that being a reality that it's silly to talk to about.
    The compute parts wouldn't be in a pocket device here, they'd be somewhere else on the head e.g earcups or headband, it's just to move them away from the face. The connecting cable can be a proprietary high bandwidth cable like what they use internally in AVP. If it's hard-wired, they'd use the same cables they use now. If it's a plug, they'd make a proprietary connector like the PCIe connectors for their SSDs. PCIe 4 x8 is fast enough.

    There are 3rd party straps that turn AVP into a suspended unit:

    https://annapro.com/products/comfort-head-strap-for-apple-vision-pro

    This is to avoid the face pressure with the normal cushions, shown above in the left image. The weight at the front is 600-650g so still needs heavy cushions with the suspended design.

    The part at the front would be modified to only be a display component like the lightweight VR headsets that are under 200g, everything else is relocated. Then the cushions can be less bulky.

    If they have plans to significantly reduce the weight of the product in its current form factor, that form factor could work out but if there's no easy way to reduce the bulk, they'd be better with a different design.
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