Apple loses antitrust appeal in Germany, now subject to steep fines and regulations

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Apple has lost an appeal in Germany on how much it dominates the smartphone market, and is now staring down antitrust penalties in the country on top of everything else it faces in the European Union.

Mostly white and glass-covered exterior of the rosenthaler Strasse Apple Store in Germany
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As such, Apple is now subject to penalties in accordance with anti-competition law in Germany. On Tuesday, judges from the Federal Court of Justice issued a ruling after a one-month deliberation, declaring that Apple should be applied additional controls to encourage competition in the German market.

Presiding judge Wolfgang Kirchhoff said that an assessment has shown that Apple has too much control across multiple markets, and should be subjected to additional controls, reports Reuters.

Apple's legal team asked for the court to discuss the matter with the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg ahead of making a decision, on the belief that EU and German law don't necessarily line up. Judge Kirchhoff said the judges failed to see any grounds for such contact to be made.

Federal judges ruled that Apple's 2023 designation as a "company of paramount cross-market significance for competition" stands.

Controls and fines are likely as a result of the ruling. Exactly how harsh the penalties will be remains to be seen.

Competition checks



The lawsuit was instigated by the Bundeskartellamt in April 2023, with the regulator believing that Apple was subject to a 2021 amendment to the German Competition Act. Section 19a of the act, which came into force in January 2019, adds more controls and checks for companies that are seen as breaking German antitrust law.

Following the addendum, the regulator was quick to start an investigation using its new powers into the App Store and Apple's activities.

With control of iOS and the App Store, Apple therefore "holds a key position for competition," according to German law.

Apple's lawsuit aimed to defeat the regulator's original decision, and therefore allow Apple to operate without the extra checks to prohibit anti-competitive practices. The designation will stand until April 2028.

The legal fight is also separate from the regulator's other Apple-related activities. In June 2022, it launched an antitrust investigation into Apple over App Tracking Transparency, specifically complaints that ATT rules that applied to third-party app producers didn't apply to Apple itself.

Germany's activity also follows after years of attempts by the EU and other governments to curtail the power of tech giants in the marketplace.

The most recent attempt are the Digital Markets Act and Digital Services Act, a set of rules to try and force gatekeepers to act in a competition-promoting way.

This included forcing Apple into allowing third-party App Store alternatives onto the iPhone in the EU, and eliminating anti-steering rules. Changes that Apple dragged its heels over, but eventually relented in some cases.



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  • Reply 1 of 42
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,348member
    Anti-competition... The iPhone market is still less than the android market. Does Germany even try and make and sell mobile devices? I believe they do but the market simply doesn't want them in any quantity. Germany suing Apple doesn't help Germany make their own devices, it simply makes them money off the back of other companies. The EU cartel is the same thing. If you can't make something people want you sue the company that people like. This isn't an antitrust lawsuit, it's simply a money grab because Germany no longer makes products people want to buy and use. --Look at what's happening with its automobile market, it's tanking. Will Germany sue other car companies because they no longer can keep up with technology and the desires of consumers? 
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  • Reply 2 of 42
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,198member
    rob53 said:
    Anti-competition... The iPhone market is still less than the android market. Does Germany even try and make and sell mobile devices? I believe they do but the market simply doesn't want them in any quantity. Germany suing Apple doesn't help Germany make their own devices, it simply makes them money off the back of other companies. The EU cartel is the same thing. If you can't make something people want you sue the company that people like. This isn't an antitrust lawsuit, it's simply a money grab because Germany no longer makes products people want to buy and use. --Look at what's happening with its automobile market, it's tanking. Will Germany sue other car companies because they no longer can keep up with technology and the desires of consumers? 
    Apple has been ruled non-compliant on competition grounds. 

    It isn't a 'money grab' nor does it have anything to do with the Android market or anything else you bring up. 

    The Germans aren't making the laws up as they go. There was an investigation and a ruling. Apple presented its case. That is how it works. 

    Maybe Apple can appeal. I don't know. 
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  • Reply 3 of 42
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    avon b7 said:
    rob53 said:
    Anti-competition... The iPhone market is still less than the android market. Does Germany even try and make and sell mobile devices? I believe they do but the market simply doesn't want them in any quantity. Germany suing Apple doesn't help Germany make their own devices, it simply makes them money off the back of other companies. The EU cartel is the same thing. If you can't make something people want you sue the company that people like. This isn't an antitrust lawsuit, it's simply a money grab because Germany no longer makes products people want to buy and use. --Look at what's happening with its automobile market, it's tanking. Will Germany sue other car companies because they no longer can keep up with technology and the desires of consumers? 
    Apple has been ruled non-compliant on competition grounds. 

    It isn't a 'money grab' nor does it have anything to do with the Android market or anything else you bring up. 

    The Germans aren't making the laws up as they go. There was an investigation and a ruling. Apple presented its case. That is how it works. 

    Maybe Apple can appeal. I don't know. 
    Money grab, shakedown, pick your favorite term because that's exactly what it is and this is how a corrupt Europe operates now.

    And, of course, the bitter irony in many of these cases is that these "Western Democracies", supposed bastions of freedom, are going after Apple for protecting freedom and privacy.
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  • Reply 4 of 42
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 128member
    Ya all this Apple anti trust bullying nonsense is going away. Trump administration will not let Apple be hindered in anyway. His administration will be hitting back hard and European companies will be begging the EU to stop. It’s all there folks. 
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  • Reply 5 of 42
    Europe again stealing from the USA.
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  • Reply 6 of 42
    sirdirsirdir Posts: 203member
    Wow, I wasn’t aware the comment section here is full of MAGA and trillion-dollar-company-simps. 
    If Apple can’t follow the law, they will be fined and that’s the way it should be. 
    Maybe they’ll even have to do what’s best for the customer instead what’s best for them, imagine. The horrors!
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  • Reply 7 of 42
    ssfe11 said:
    Ya all this Apple anti trust bullying nonsense is going away. Trump administration will not let Apple be hindered in anyway. His administration will be hitting back hard and European companies will be begging the EU to stop. It’s all there folks. 
    The complete lack of self awareness calling other countries applying their sovereign laws “bullies” and believing that the biggest bullies of all, the felon tyrant dictator Adolf Shitler the 1st, will right the wrongs… Pathetic.
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  • Reply 8 of 42
    rob53 said:
    Look at what's happening with its automobile market, it's tanking. Will Germany sue other car companies because they no longer can keep up with technology and the desires of consumers? 
    Pretty simple. Competitive Chinese cars have a tariff (courtesy of the EU up to 30%), US cars don't (e.g. BMW X5/X7 sold in Germany are actually imported from the US as they are not produced in the EU) ...  US Cars from US companyes (except for Tesla which is nowadays made in Germany but still tanking) are exceedingly rare in Germany (Although I think Chrysler builds it's cars in Austria), or have a very bad image (high MPG, WAY too big, or specialities like the Corvette, which is considered a car for pimps)
    Companies like Ford actually produce in Germany (cars designed for the EU market)
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  • Reply 9 of 42
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,559member
    And people wonder why Apple devices cost so much, it's because there's a lawsuit every other day whether it's frivolous or opportunistic.
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  • Reply 10 of 42
    longpathlongpath Posts: 411member
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
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  • Reply 11 of 42
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    sirdir said:
    Wow, I wasn’t aware the comment section here is full of MAGA and trillion-dollar-company-simps. 
    If Apple can’t follow the law, they will be fined and that’s the way it should be. 
    Maybe they’ll even have to do what’s best for the customer instead what’s best for them, imagine. The horrors!
    I'm about as far from a MAGA or trillion-dollar-company-simp as one can get, but it's been pretty obvious for quite a while what Europe's game is in regard to American tech companies. And, none of this is even remotely about what's best for the customer, it's about what's best for European governments, European companies, European advertisers and European spy agencies.


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  • Reply 12 of 42
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,390member
    avon b7 said:
    rob53 said:
    Anti-competition... The iPhone market is still less than the android market. Does Germany even try and make and sell mobile devices? I believe they do but the market simply doesn't want them in any quantity. Germany suing Apple doesn't help Germany make their own devices, it simply makes them money off the back of other companies. The EU cartel is the same thing. If you can't make something people want you sue the company that people like. This isn't an antitrust lawsuit, it's simply a money grab because Germany no longer makes products people want to buy and use. --Look at what's happening with its automobile market, it's tanking. Will Germany sue other car companies because they no longer can keep up with technology and the desires of consumers? 

    The Germans aren't making the laws up as they go. 
    Actually, they ARE making them up as they go! From the report above: "The lawsuit was instigated by the Bundeskartellamt in April 2023, with the regulator believing that Apple was subject to a 2021 amendment to the German Competition Act." Convenient law-making, don't you think? If you want to go after a company but have no law to do so, just make up a new one and then prosecute. This will never happen, but I really, really wish Apple would tell the EU to shove it and just pull up stakes and let the EU legislate itself into nothing but crappy EU-made phones, and then they can legislate those back to two cans and a string. 
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  • Reply 13 of 42
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,198member
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


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  • Reply 14 of 42
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    avon b7 said:
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
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  • Reply 15 of 42
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,198member
    avon b7 said:
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
    The numbers that determine gatekeepers are not subjective. 

    You may argue about how those numbers were set but not that Apple falls into the group of gatekeepers. 
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  • Reply 16 of 42
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
    The numbers that determine gatekeepers are not subjective. 

    You may argue about how those numbers were set but not that Apple falls into the group of gatekeepers. 
    🤣
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  • Reply 17 of 42
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,390member
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
    The numbers that determine gatekeepers are not subjective. 

    You may argue about how those numbers were set but not that Apple falls into the group of gatekeepers. 
    Here's what makes no sense: for MANY years, Apple's stubborn insistence on a walled garden held it back in the marketplace. And no government cared about its walled garden then. But over time, and especially as digital devices proliferated into tablets, wearables, etc, consumers made the free will choice to buy into the tightly controlled Apple ecosystem. In fact, the tightly controlled ecosystem with its focus on privacy, security, seamless operation between devices and "it just works" reliability became THE main reason to choose Apple. Let's face it: it has never been difficult to get more bang for your buck in the world of Windows and Android hardware. But consumers chose to pay more for Apple hardware with its walled garden being a main reason why. And now here comes government, breaking the very thing that tens of millions of consumers have freely chosen in buying Apple products, all in the name of insane, upside down logic of supposedly greater consumer choice. Except you're not allowed to choose a closed and tightly controlled ecosystem and--here comes the upside down logic again--the reason consumers will not be allowed to have that choice is because too many consumers have freely chosen it. 
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  • Reply 18 of 42
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,403member
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
    The numbers that determine gatekeepers are not subjective. 

    You may argue about how those numbers were set but not that Apple falls into the group of gatekeepers. 
    Markets don’t care about semantics.
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  • Reply 19 of 42
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,403member
    Germany: we will show those uppity colonials.

     And it isn’t just Apple having these troubles. These Eurocrats never rest, because they believe they are doing good. 
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  • Reply 20 of 42
    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
    Waves hand broadly. All these laws are a joke! All of them.  

    Thanks for the rational law analysis, anon! I'll be sure to come back here whenever I need more in-depth legal and historical analysis!
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