Work starts on Apple M6 chip with modems for future Macs

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Apple is already looking beyond its next generation of M-class chip, designing the future M6 processor that will include an in-house cellular modem for its anticipated 2027 Mac lineup.

Close-up view of a smartphone's internal circuit board featuring a prominent chip labeled with an Apple logo and C1, surrounded by various electronic components.
The C1 cellular modem the iPhone 16e uses is only the beginning.



The company is currently planning to update its MacBook Pro lineup to an M5 processorlater this year. Other Mac models will get the M5 upgrade as well, after the reveal and details of the M5 chip emerge during the June WWDC conference.

Current MacBook models rely on Qualcomm-based Wi-Fi chips to connect the devices to wireless internet. Apple has made it clear that it intends to move away from the dependency on Qualcomm for these components as soon as possible, though it will still use those chips in some upcoming products.

The anticipated M5 MacBook Pro is not expected to introduce any changes from the present case design, leaving the M5 chip upgrade as its primary new feature. However, Apple has big plans for its 2026 MacBook Pro update, according to a report from Bloomberg.

The 2026 model, which will mark the MacBook Pro's 20th anniversary, will offer more than just a chip update to the M6. It is also believed to debut a new case design, and is expected to move to a thinner OLED screen.

Cellular modem included



In addition to those changes, Apple is likely to integrate an on-board cellular modem into the 2026 MacBook Pro. This would be based on the existing C1 in-house modem chip used in the new iPhone 16e.

It's possible that the company could offer MacBook models with and without the modem, with the latter option potentially for lower-end options. The built-in modem could also be part of a future MacBook Air upgrade.

Having a built-in modem in future MacBook models would eliminate the need for using cell phones to tether a data connection when Wi-Fi is unavailable. A MacBook model with a built-in cellular modem could also act as its own hotspot, providing signal for other nearby devices.

The modems would also probably include satellite connectivity and GPS, since the C1 modem already incorporates these features. Cellular data plans from providers may eventually need to adjust data limits to encourage users to routinely use cellular data in future Macs.

Mac cellular modems from Apple could become part of the total System-on-Chip (SoC) package for future Apple processors. Apple SVP of Hardware Technologies Johny Srouji described the C1 modem as the foundation of "a platform for generations" that will "truly differentiate" the company's technology from those of competitors.

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  • Reply 1 of 26
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,325member
    Ye! 2nm, with a modem included? That’s a heck of a differentiator. Go Apple!


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  • Reply 2 of 26
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    I want an M6 Mac Studio Ultra... drool.
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  • Reply 3 of 26
    timmilleatimmillea Posts: 279member
    Yes an M6 MBA with better power efficiency, no need for an iPhone to tether, a better case design and OLED display would satisfy my '7-year itch' to upgrade my 2020 M1 MBA. Life without a phone would be a step change in my quality of life. Bring it on. 
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  • Reply 4 of 26
    m4m40m4m40 Posts: 37member
    I upgraded my work laptop from the base 2021 MPB 16” to 2024 MBP 14”. The performance difference is noticeable but not life changing. But I sure do hear the fans a few times a day now. The M1 was just magically good. 
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  • Reply 5 of 26
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,099member
    m4m40 said:
    I upgraded my work laptop from the base 2021 MPB 16” to 2024 MBP 14”. The performance difference is noticeable but not life changing. But I sure do hear the fans a few times a day now. The M1 was just magically good. 
    For most people doing basic email, web browsing, word processing and spreadsheets a 4 year old computer is more than powerful enough. The added OS features end up using more power than your applications do.
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  • Reply 6 of 26
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,099member
    one potential issue/question that I haven't seen answered is how much Apple is paying in patent royalties to QC for their C1 modem. Given QC's cellular patent portfolio it's unlikely Apple could produce a competitive modem without licensing at least some patents. Even if they're covered under FRAND there's still a 'reasonable' fee. If Apple were to put the modem in every MBP then they would likely have to pay a fee for each device, unless they could somehow get an agreement to only pay for the modems in use.
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  • Reply 7 of 26
    thttht Posts: 5,883member
    The headline is a bit too dramatic. 🤪

    Work probably began on the M6 in 2023, not now, including logic boards, modem integration, etc. What they are probably doing now is doing some test runs of M6 on TSMC N2 and N3P. Not even pilot production, just testing how to fab M6, getting some test SoCs in very small quantities. Then, testing them out in the various form factors the M6 is going into. The M6 chip design is probably 6 months away from being "frozen" for mass production, but it has likely been a 3 year process of intensive work, if not more.

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  • Reply 8 of 26
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,182member
    Seems like a logical evolution and development path. iPads have offered cell connection for many generations; but not so with MacBooks. Perhaps this will change things.

    And maybe...put one into an ATV? And the ATV becomes the new Airport? drool.
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  • Reply 9 of 26
    thttht Posts: 5,883member
    eightzero said:
    Seems like a logical evolution and development path. iPads have offered cell connection for many generations; but not so with MacBooks. Perhaps this will change things.

    And maybe...put one into an ATV? And the ATV becomes the new Airport? drool.
    Hehe, yup!

    Outside of the obvious laptops, cell modems should go into the Apple TV, Mac mini, Mac Studio, HomePod, HomePod mini and AirPods Max. I'd even say AirPods Pro if I thought one could be put in there. Hmm, maybe it could be in the AirPods case and a Bluetooth connection between the AirPods and case provides Internet service?

    This sort of thing makes you think that Apple should offer MVNO services for their buyers too. Have sat-comm, VPN and guaranteed E2EE services as part of the MVNO services product.
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  • Reply 10 of 26
    Pdybmanpdybman Posts: 16member
    Let’s see. The M5 Macs are coming in 2025, the M6 will come in 2026, why would the modem variant M6 MacBook Pro only come in 2027?
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  • Reply 11 of 26
    bukubuku Posts: 8member
    EU: I think it is time to force apple to share their chips with competitors…
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  • Reply 12 of 26
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,205member
    MplsP said:
    one potential issue/question that I haven't seen answered is how much Apple is paying in patent royalties to QC for their C1 modem. Given QC's cellular patent portfolio it's unlikely Apple could produce a competitive modem without licensing at least some patents. Even if they're covered under FRAND there's still a 'reasonable' fee. If Apple were to put the modem in every MBP then they would likely have to pay a fee for each device, unless they could somehow get an agreement to only pay for the modems in use.
    This is the Huawei part of the pie Apple is paying for:

    "The event also saw Huawei announcing royalty rates for 4G and 5G handsets, Wi-Fi 6 devices, and Internet of Things (IoT) products, all areas where Huawei is a top SEP owner. The rate caps for 4G and 5G handsets are US$1.5 per unit and US$2.5 per unit, respectively. Huawei’s royalty rate for Wi-Fi 6 consumer devices, meanwhile, is US$0.5 per unit. For IoT, the rate for IoT-Centric devices is one percent of the net selling price, capped at US$0.75, while the rate for IoT-Enhanced devices ranges from US$0.3 to US$1 per unit."

    https://www.huawei.com/en/news/2023/7/ipr-innovation-horizon#:~:text=The rate caps for 4G,is US$0.5 per unit.


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  • Reply 13 of 26
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,182member
    tht said:
    eightzero said:
    Seems like a logical evolution and development path. iPads have offered cell connection for many generations; but not so with MacBooks. Perhaps this will change things.

    And maybe...put one into an ATV? And the ATV becomes the new Airport? drool.
    Hehe, yup!

    Outside of the obvious laptops, cell modems should go into the Apple TV, Mac mini, Mac Studio, HomePod, HomePod mini and AirPods Max. I'd even say AirPods Pro if I thought one could be put in there. Hmm, maybe it could be in the AirPods case and a Bluetooth connection between the AirPods and case provides Internet service?

    This sort of thing makes you think that Apple should offer MVNO services for their buyers too. Have sat-comm, VPN and guaranteed E2EE services as part of the MVNO services product.
    This. When it appears from Apple, they will need to shut up and take my money.
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  • Reply 14 of 26
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,658member
    MacPro said:
    I want an M6 Mac Studio Ultra... drool.

    That would be 768 gigs with bandwidth over 1000 operating at 160 Watts for everything CPU, GPU, and modem….

    https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?compute_type=OPTIX&compute_type=CUDA&compute_type=HIP&compute_type=METAL&compute_type=ONEAPI&group_by=device_name&blender_version=4.3.0


    The M6 Mac Studio Ultra would land at the third spot on the current Blender list.

    Which brings up another point the excuses made by the so-called AAA gaming industry or the greater Cad industry for their lack of Mac support that time is coming to an end hardware wise in a big way.

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  • Reply 15 of 26
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,746member
    Current MacBook models rely on Qualcomm-based Wi-Fi chips to connect the devices to wireless internet. 

    doesn't Broadcom make the wifi chips? 

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  • Reply 16 of 26
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,658member

    MplsP said:
    one potential issue/question that I haven't seen answered is how much Apple is paying in patent royalties to QC for their C1 modem. Given QC's cellular patent portfolio it's unlikely Apple could produce a competitive modem without licensing at least some patents. Even if they're covered under FRAND there's still a 'reasonable' fee. If Apple were to put the modem in every MBP then they would likely have to pay a fee for each device, unless they could somehow get an agreement to only pay for the modems in use.

    The Patent Troll known as Qualcomm will be suing, no matter what….. preordained.

    Apple will be Qualcomm’s nightmare because Apple isn’t looking to just stand still and collect toll fees. The C1 modem is just a beach head the C2, C3, C4‘s will be even better and more importantly with new Apple devices coming up will have functionalities that Qualcomm, similar the ghosts of tech past like Kodak, Xerox, IBM, Motorola of Schaumburg, Illinois or Intel who also didn’t want to move forward. 

    In short Apple will step up and iterate into the future at a pace most don’t want to do, if it wasn’t for Qualcomm buying out Nuvia they would be lost in the wilderness when it comes to Arm SOC’s, their team up with Microsoft has been a fiasco so far not completely their fault because their partner Microsoft doesn’t feel any sense of urgency.
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  • Reply 17 of 26
    bala1234bala1234 Posts: 172member
    I will be in the market for a MBA in a couple of months. Sadly that's too early for the built in modems. But I am due for my work MBP replacement next year. If I can coax my employer to sponsor a data plan for it.... On second thought, I am already on a work from everywhere mode! So would that be good or bad?
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  • Reply 18 of 26
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,099member
    danox said:

    MplsP said:
    one potential issue/question that I haven't seen answered is how much Apple is paying in patent royalties to QC for their C1 modem. Given QC's cellular patent portfolio it's unlikely Apple could produce a competitive modem without licensing at least some patents. Even if they're covered under FRAND there's still a 'reasonable' fee. If Apple were to put the modem in every MBP then they would likely have to pay a fee for each device, unless they could somehow get an agreement to only pay for the modems in use.

    The Patent Troll known as Qualcomm will be suing, no matter what….. preordained.

    Apple will be Qualcomm’s nightmare because Apple isn’t looking to just stand still and collect toll fees. The C1 modem is just a beach head the C2, C3, C4‘s will be even better and more importantly with new Apple devices coming up will have functionalities that Qualcomm, similar the ghosts of tech past like Kodak, Xerox, IBM, Motorola of Schaumburg, Illinois or Intel who also didn’t want to move forward. 

    In short Apple will step up and iterate into the future at a pace most don’t want to do, if it wasn’t for Qualcomm buying out Nuvia they would be lost in the wilderness when it comes to Arm SOC’s, their team up with Microsoft has been a fiasco so far not completely their fault because their partner Microsoft doesn’t feel any sense of urgency.
    Maybe, maybe not. Presumably Apple is already paying applicable patent fees for the C1 modem. 
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  • Reply 19 of 26
    thttht Posts: 5,883member
    MplsP said:
    danox said:

    MplsP said:
    one potential issue/question that I haven't seen answered is how much Apple is paying in patent royalties to QC for their C1 modem. Given QC's cellular patent portfolio it's unlikely Apple could produce a competitive modem without licensing at least some patents. Even if they're covered under FRAND there's still a 'reasonable' fee. If Apple were to put the modem in every MBP then they would likely have to pay a fee for each device, unless they could somehow get an agreement to only pay for the modems in use.

    The Patent Troll known as Qualcomm will be suing, no matter what….. preordained.

    Apple will be Qualcomm’s nightmare because Apple isn’t looking to just stand still and collect toll fees. The C1 modem is just a beach head the C2, C3, C4‘s will be even better and more importantly with new Apple devices coming up will have functionalities that Qualcomm, similar the ghosts of tech past like Kodak, Xerox, IBM, Motorola of Schaumburg, Illinois or Intel who also didn’t want to move forward. 

    In short Apple will step up and iterate into the future at a pace most don’t want to do, if it wasn’t for Qualcomm buying out Nuvia they would be lost in the wilderness when it comes to Arm SOC’s, their team up with Microsoft has been a fiasco so far not completely their fault because their partner Microsoft doesn’t feel any sense of urgency.
    Maybe, maybe not. Presumably Apple is already paying applicable patent fees for the C1 modem. 
    Kind of depends on what the existing QCOM and Apple licensing agreement does. I kind of doubt QCOM would have given Apple, or anyone, a long term license for FRAND, SEP, or non-SEP patents from their agreement in 2019. It seems all but inevitable that QCOM and Apple will be back in court in 2029.

    This is how the patent system in the USA is designed. They will award as many FRAND, SEP patents as possible, and let the companies negotiate between themselves, and then let the courts decide if the companies can't come to agreement.

    Seems inevitable that Apple will be sued for modem chip design too, as well as for the FRAND pool or some non-FRAND patent. The media loves to paint the court stuff as some kind of good versus evil story, but it really isn't. It's the way the patent and court system is designed. It looks stupid because, likely by congressional direction, will let any frivolous and stupid patent application through, and will give the patent as wide as an application as possible. Hence, the language in patents is obtuse and obscure, and not actionable nor implementable.
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  • Reply 20 of 26
    They might put a C-series modem in the laptop, but from a manufacturing perspective it makes no sense to combine it with the CPU. It would add significant cost, which can only be justified by the speed and power consumption of ultra-high-speed interfaces (why they put the memory in the same package as the CPU die(s) for the M-series processors).

    There's nowhere enough speed involved to make it worthwhile for a wireless modem that might sometimes hit single-digit gigabits-per-second versus memory which is triple-digit gigabytes-per-second. It's like four orders-of-magnitude difference.

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