Apple shares clawing back, after $638 billion in value is destroyed

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Ahead of the markets opening on April 8, 2025, Apple stock has inched into positive territory after Trump's tariff announcement knocked the entire value of Visa or WalMart out of the company.

Smartwatch displaying Apple Inc. stock data with a red background, showing 181.46, down 20.60%. Market closed.
Apple stocks over the last month, shown on an Apple Watch



Apple has continued to be punched by Trump's tariffs, despite claims its inescapable price rises could be a lower than expected. On its third consecutive market day, Apple was further hit by the news of a 104% tariff on everything it imports from China.

The continued impact for Apple came despite the overall stock market doing better on this third day. According to CNBC, of the major technology firms, only Apple, Microsoft, and Tesla were down again on April 7.

Describing it as a "rout," CNBC says that this downdraft has wiped out $638 billion from Apple's market cap, exclusively because of Trump's tariffs.

This means that in three market days, Apple has lost more than the value of Visa or Mastercard, and close to the value of Walmart. Its drop is greater than the combined value of Coca-Cola and Home Depot.

If Apple had spent the money instead, it could have bought Samsung 2.7 times over. Or it could have bought its historic rival, IBM, thrown in McDonald's and PepsiCo, and still had some change left over.

What's happening now



In overnight trading, though, Apple shares rose by 1.22% to $183.67. While the market has been extraordinarily volatile -- rebounding on rumors, only to crash again -- it's possible Apple saw a benefit from a report that it may import more iPhones from India.

This goes against Trump's stated aim of bringing manufacturing back to the US. But given the cost of such a move, the years it would take, and the lack of skilled labor in the States, reshoring iPhones to India could be the best of the options available to Apple.

Such a move would expose Apple to lower tariffs -- or at least it would at present. With tariffs able to be doubled on Trump's word, there is no more way for Apple to be certain of getting lower tariffs than there is for it to avoid them at all.

Apple's entire supply chain is vulnerable



Apple is particularly vulnerable to the tariffs as while US firms and consumers may now be paying double for goods imported from China, Apple is more dependent on that country than most. This is despite billions of dollars being spent over many years to cut down on its over-reliance on China.

Consequently, while pre-market trading has seen the first even slight rise for Apple, it is a rise from an extraordinarily low point. CNBC calculates that over the first three market days since the tariffs were announced, Apple shares have lost 19% of their value.

While Apple is facing having to pay 104% more for goods imported from China, the rest of its supply chain is impacted as well. Absolutely every country that Apple relies on for manufacturing is seeing radical increases in costs.

That includes the US, as despite TSMC manufacturing processors for Apple in Arizona, those chips need imported materials and are also finished in Taiwan, until the AMKOR finishing plant comes on line.



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  • Reply 1 of 17
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,764member
    The China risk for Apple is huge. China is likely to stand up to Trump in more ways than one. I think the probability of a Taiwan blockade has gone up a lot.

    Apple will survive, but profits and the stock price have a long ways to fall. 
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  • Reply 2 of 17
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 149member
    Nah. Apple and Tim are supply chain and diplomatic geniuses. They will mitigate this tariff nonsense to minimal impact. 
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  • Reply 3 of 17
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,278member
    @ssfe11 , @blastdoor ,
    I think you’re both right. It will be a rough patch for Apple and everyone else, but I can think of nobody better to deal with this chaos than TC & Co. 
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  • Reply 4 of 17
    linkmanlinkman Posts: 1,065member
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
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  • Reply 5 of 17
    nubusnubus Posts: 797member
    linkman said:
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
    Cook is a master COO but he bet everything on China before spending billions on diversification into countries that will also be hit. This will hit the margins. Add the inflation and unemployment - and consumers will globally have less to spend on products from Apple. They need bread more than they need a new phone.

    China forced Google to leave but I don't see China hit Apple directly. Instead local apps could "decide" not to be available on iOS. My bet is on China soon finding a problem with Tesla causing a massive recall. Musk is simply too easy a target. American brands won't have an easy time in China but Tesla could go first.

    EU will move the war to services from early next week. With Apple being responsible for 0.009% of all jobs in the EU there is nothing for the EU politicians to be worried about. EU politicians are to be elected in 2029 = they have plenty of time.
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  • Reply 6 of 17
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,764member
    linkman said:
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
    Sorry to hear that. AAPL is now down more than nine dollars a share.
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  • Reply 7 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,418member
    linkman said:
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
    Nah, yesterday and today's activity was a false bounce. The stock market has more room for downward movement. The BlackRock CEO thinks we're already in a recession.

    The market will remain extremely turbulent until there is some sort of equilibrium reached but no one has blinked yet in this staring contest.

    I've seen people in the financial industry speculate that the S&P 500 will bottom out somewhere around 4500. That sounds far more plausible than Apple bottoming out today.

    And the White House's newly increased 104% tariff on China has not yet kicked in (it happens at midnight tonight I believe). And I don't see the White House backing off anytime soon based on who is sitting at that desk in the Oval Office.

    Today I bought a small amount of an inverse S&P 500 fund. I wager that the market isn't done exploring bear territory.
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  • Reply 8 of 17
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,182member
    I think AAPL needs to sharpen its claws.....
    edited April 8
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  • Reply 9 of 17
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,764member
    mpantone said:
    linkman said:
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
    Nah, yesterday and today's activity was a false bounce. The stock market has more room for downward movement. The BlackRock CEO thinks we're already in a recession.

    The market will remain extremely turbulent until there is some sort of equilibrium reached but no one has blinked yet in this staring contest.

    I've seen people in the financial industry speculate that the S&P 500 will bottom out somewhere around 4500. That sounds far more plausible than Apple bottoming out today.

    And the White House's newly increased 104% tariff on China has not yet kicked in (it happens at midnight tonight I believe). And I don't see the White House backing off anytime soon based on who is sitting at that desk in the Oval Office.

    Today I bought a small amount of an inverse S&P 500 fund. I wager that the market isn't done exploring bear territory.
    Yup. If you look at the history of 1929 you'll realize that the big crash was preceded by many smaller (but still large) declines over the course of the year. There are aspects of that experience that were peculiar to that era -- for example, we aren't going to see large banks coming in to try and 'save' the market the way they did back then. But a possible common thread is that both then and now there is a deep underlying problem that will take time for investors to fully comprehend. As the comprehension spreads and the reality sets in, we will see the market on a downward zig-zagging trend until fair value is reached. What 'fair value' is, exactly, will depend on whether these tariffs stay in place as currently understood. If they do stay in place, I think we're looking at AAPL of about $50 a share and Tesla at about $10 a share, just to give two examples. 


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  • Reply 10 of 17
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,183member
    blastdoor said:
    The China risk for Apple is huge. China is likely to stand up to Trump in more ways than one. I think the probability of a Taiwan blockade has gone up a lot.

    Apple will survive, but profits and the stock price have a long ways to fall. 
    Oddly, China might not need to stand up to Trump at all. He is not a young person, and perhaps not in the best of health. The "fight to the end" might not be a long wait.

    OTOH, it is possible China decides a show of readiness is needed, and the blockade might get out of hand, as there are some not very smart people in charge of some firepower that would be best not to test. No one, including Apple, survives that. A short, victorious war is just what Trump needs to cement his dictatorial power, suspend elections, continue the in-progress fascist overthrow of the rule of law.

    We laughed at "Apple is doomed" comments; not so damn funny right now.


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  • Reply 11 of 17
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,764member
    eightzero said:
    blastdoor said:
    The China risk for Apple is huge. China is likely to stand up to Trump in more ways than one. I think the probability of a Taiwan blockade has gone up a lot.

    Apple will survive, but profits and the stock price have a long ways to fall. 
    Oddly, China might not need to stand up to Trump at all. He is not a young person, and perhaps not in the best of health. The "fight to the end" might not be a long wait.

    OTOH, it is possible China decides a show of readiness is needed, and the blockade might get out of hand, as there are some not very smart people in charge of some firepower that would be best not to test. No one, including Apple, survives that. A short, victorious war is just what Trump needs to cement his dictatorial power, suspend elections, continue the in-progress fascist overthrow of the rule of law.

    We laughed at "Apple is doomed" comments; not so damn funny right now.


    The thinking has been that there is a window between now and 2030 during which China will be best positioned to retake Taiwan. After that, demographics and US military resurgence will make it increasingly difficult for China to take Taiwan. So even before tariffs, we were entering a period of greater risk. But the tariffs increase the chances even more because the tariffs greatly weaken the US, both in terms of disrupting our supply chains and in terms of diminishing our ability to lead a coalition to defend Taiwan. Countries are going to be far less likely to follow the US when the US is hurting their economies and making insane statements about annexing Greenland and Canada. 

    So I think it's almost inevitable that China will blockade Taiwan. Taiwan will then realize that the US is unable/unwilling to save it, and will likely yield to China without the need for a full scale invasion. Why starve to death to save your democracy when Putin has already managed to destroy the greatest democracy in the world? The Taiwanese might logically conclude that all hope is lost. 
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  • Reply 12 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,418member
    I think APPL needs to sharpen its claws.....
    APPL is the now-defunct longtime stock symbol for Appell Petroleum. Not sure why were are discussing an oil & gas company here in this Q&A forum.

    The sad thing is that people have been making this error for well over three decades and is often pointed out when it occurs. I guess it just goes to confirm the level of financial literacy on the Internet, sad when it's someone with over 10 years here at AppleInsider.

    Makes one wonder how much online people are understanding and retaining these days.

    Oh well...
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  • Reply 13 of 17
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,182member
    mpantone said:
    I think APPL needs to sharpen its claws.....
    APPL is the now-defunct longtime stock symbol for Appell Petroleum. Not sure why were are discussing an oil & gas company here in this Q&A forum.

    The sad thing is that people have been making this error for well over three decades and is often pointed out when it occurs. I guess it just goes to confirm the level of financial literacy on the Internet, sad when it's someone with over 10 years here at AppleInsider.

    Makes one wonder how much online people are understanding and retaining these days.

    Oh well...
    One is NEVER too old to make typos....
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  • Reply 14 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,418member
    Lol, this discussion group in the AppleInsider forum is actually labeled "AAPL Investors".

    Anyhow I'm sure Siri With Apple Intelligence will prevent people from making these sort of typos when Apple releases it. Right?

     :)  :p  :D
    edited April 8
    mdjamilhosain
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  • Reply 15 of 17
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,554moderator
    mpantone said:
    linkman said:
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
    Nah, yesterday and today's activity was a false bounce. The stock market has more room for downward movement. The BlackRock CEO thinks we're already in a recession.

    The market will remain extremely turbulent until there is some sort of equilibrium reached but no one has blinked yet in this staring contest.
    It's all just bluster for the time being. The gambling/speculation industry doesn't reflect the real world until the numbers start being reported, at least 3 months after price changes take effect. Most of the big companies trade internationally in a broad way so the impact of price increases between individual countries will be minimal and there will always be workarounds. The big companies that trade mostly domestically will be largely unaffected.

    Apple has healthy income to buy stock back, which can keep the price higher.

    A recession requires real world impact to GDP and employment levels and nothing indicates this at this stage. CEOs are obviously concerned because their remuneration is in large stock awards that will be taking a hit but that's not the case for the people who keep the economy running.

    It's speculators' overreaction that is tanking stocks just now. If they cut down on the caffeine, cocaine and gambling behavior, they would be a bit more patient and wait to see what the real world impact is. It could all get resolved next week for all anyone knows.
    mdjamilhosainbaconstangWesley_Hilliard
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  • Reply 16 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,418member
    The stock market reacts far less on past results: instead it is forward looking. This is why Apple (or another company) can announce admirable quarterly earnings but get dogged the following day because of weak guidance.

    While Apple is a very visibly traded stock, most of the share volume is from the big boys: fund managers, BlackRock, FMR, Vanguard, CalPERS, etc., not your coked-up playboy investor types, little Aunt Millies, or snotty fanboys on Reddit with three shares.

    And it's not just Apple that's tanking, it's the entire market. Speculative gambling types simply don't have the capital to move global markets that much. Yes, they can muck around with one minor company like GameStop but not the entire S&P 500, Nasdaq Composite, Russell 2000, FTSE, DAX, CAC, Nikkei, HSI, etc. Remember that the safety locks kicked in and stopped futures trading on the Nikkei 200 the other day. It's not just a handful of spastic gamblers doing this.

    It's worth pointing out that the Russell 2000 has gotten hit harder YTD than the S&P 500. The small caps and mid cap companies are getting clobbered far more than the Apples, Nvidias, Alphabets, and Amazons of this world. Hell, even DELL, HPQ, and HPE share prices have been brutalized way more than AAPL as a percentage drop YTD.

    India's central bank just cut their interest rates by 25 basis points as new tariffs kick in. There's no coke-snorting gambler fraternity who drove that decision.

    Anyhow tomorrow (Wednesday April 9, already on the East Coast) is going to be another tricky day for the market. We live in especially interesting times.
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  • Reply 17 of 17
    linkmanlinkman Posts: 1,065member
    blastdoor said:
    linkman said:
    I'm convinced this morning is the lowest AAPL we'll see. So convinced that I spent all of my remaining brokerage cash account on it. Cook knows how to master Apple's supply chain and it is extremely likely he was prepared for these tariffs several months ago.
    Sorry to hear that. AAPL is now down more than nine dollars a share.
    And right now it's up about $7 from where I just bought it. Sure, I wish I had purchased it at yesterday's low of about $169 instead of $185 but that's market volatility. Heck, I wish I bought a bunch of Nvidia stock in 1999.
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