Apple hampered its Siri ambitions by penny-pinching

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If Apple isn't able to get its Siri improvements out with iOS 19 in the fall, a new report tries to put the blame on early cost-cutting decisions by CFO Luca Maestri.

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Apple Intelligence delays are all ex-CFO Luca Maestri's fault, apparently



First it was that Apple is years behind the rest of the industry in AI, then it was that Apple management can't cope. Now according to the New York Times, the reason Apple Intelligence is failing is because Apple was too miserly to spend some cash years ago.

Specifically, the claim is that in 2023, the then-chief financial officer Luca Maestri halved a budget that engineers had wanted for buying GPU processors for AI development work. It doesn't matter that Apple is often the most highly valued firm in the world, you don't get to be CFO of it if you're not in absolute control of spending.

Only, the story is that the engineers first went to Tim Cook with their pitch -- and Cook said yes. Maestri then wasn't just rejecting Apple's engineers, he was saying no to the CEO.

It's not impossible. And in 2023, there wasn't the same mad scramble for AI that there is now, so it's understandably unlucky timing. Or it's that the engineers didn't make a good enough case.

Their case would have seen the team's processor budget double. Maestri did increase the budget, but reportedly less than half of what was originally approved.

He's said to have told the team to be more efficient with the processors they already had.

The AI team therefore reportedly had to negotiate with Google and Amazon to use their data centers instead of, presumably, Apple's own. They were also only able to do some unspecified proportion of their AI development on Nvidia processors, because of availability.

This report does also say that Tim Cook is said to be reluctant to give clear direction to product teams. That might speak to how Steve Jobs said Cook was not a "product person".

Or it could be that communication within Apple management is failing. Whichever it is, Cook seemingly did not tell Maestri no, the team needs that budget.

So the team didn't get it, the team has poor management, and consequently Apple is now embarrassed by the slow rollout of an improved Siri.

Just as with all recent reports about the internal disagreements over AI at Apple, this new account mostly sees it as good news that the company has changed managers. It warns of a shifting deck chairs kind of mentality, and the report warns of how Apple is losing experienced staff to retirement and to being poached.

If Apple is able to turn around its Apple Intelligence fortunes, then in years to come the credit will be given to Craig Federighi and Mike Rockwell. The former is the high-profile and charismatic software chief, while the latter headed up the Apple Vision Pro.

Rockwell has replaced Apple AI head John Giannandrea, and will be reporting to Federighi.

But then there is Kim Vorrath. Despite being a very long-time Apple employee, she's not had the kind of profile some other key staff have.

Yet reportedly, she is known within Apple for being a fixer who gets projects back on track. In January 2025, she was moved to the Apple Intelligence team -- and now we're seeing that team shaken up.

Although she's probably not responsible for Luca Maestri stepping down as CFO.



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  • Reply 1 of 17
    momoazmomoaz Posts: 7member
    When they pulled hardware off the shelf it must of only had 256 storage
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  • Reply 2 of 17
    It is a big mistake to be cheap with important equipment. The small company I work for decided to buy cheap hobby Oscopes instead of professional grade equipment like Tektronix, Keysight, etc. and it ends up wasting a lot of time to get measurements that are not all that accurate.
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  • Reply 3 of 17
    Fred257fred257 Posts: 286member
    Siri is the main reason my daily driver will soon be an android device. It constantly makes mistakes at the worst possible times. It’s a joke..
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  • Reply 4 of 17
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 822member
    Again, Apple needs a creative who can get s***t done! Maybe a creative coupled with this Kim Borrsth lady as they do required different skills sets. Protect them from Cook and the rest of the current team and have them report directly to the Board. Turn their products over to Cook to iterate for the next 20 years. They can hardly do worse. 
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  • Reply 5 of 17
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,751member
    Other salient info here: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/04/10/wayne-ma-the-information-apple-siri-fumble

    taken altogether, this brings me to the conclusion that Cook needs to go. Apple needs a “product guy” in charge again.




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  • Reply 6 of 17
    Looks like Apple‘s got a new on-campus sport: “throw fellow executives under the bus.” 
    I guess John Giannandrea doesn’t have the corporate cojones for the task at hand, so he did the next best thing a leader can do at this level: blame the other guy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
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  • Reply 7 of 17
    jdiamondjdiamond Posts: 138member
    An easy misstep, but no excuse for Siri.  A typical leading foundation model takes about 2 months to train on ~16,000 GPUs.  I don't know where Apple was on that scale, but let's say as a result of stinginess, Apple took 4 months instead of 2 months to train a model.  Doesn't explain why 2 years later they have nothing.  Or why they didn't have something already back in 2023.
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  • Reply 8 of 17
    This reminds me of Apple’s inability to modernize the macOS back in the 90s, which led them to bring Steve Jobs back.
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  • Reply 9 of 17
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,405member
    As with politics, it's important to remember that there's stuff that seems incredibly important and urgent "inside the Beltway," that turns out to be not so important and or even discussed in the rest of the country outside that bubble. Speaking as someone inside the tech bubble, I think Siri has pretty much been an unmitigated clusterf**k for the 15 years Apple has owned it. And yes, I see the failure to deliver the all new Siri it promised and heavily marketed as a serious black eye and embarrassment to the company, if not worse. I'm pretty much onboard with the outrage Gruber expressed. But outside the bubble? Hmmm, last time I looked at 2025 tracking of smartphone sales, iPhone models had 3 of the 5 top spots and 4 of the top ten. I honestly don't think the whole Siri thing has registered much if at all with mass market buyers. We're talking about delayed capabilities that no one has ever had before, so there's nothing to "miss." I'm not even sure this rises to the level of the Maps fiasco years ago and--in the overall scheme of iPhone's success and dominance--that turned out to be much ado about nothing. So the outrage over Siri will continue to churn here inside the Beltway, but anyone expecting Cook to be fired by the board or to step down is delusional. The Cult of Dead Steve has been praying for Cook to fail ever since October 5, 2011, to justify their deification of Jobs as the one and true god capable of leading Apple to success. Nearly 14 years later, Cook has now been at the helm longer than Steve was in his second stint at CEO, but the Cult of Dead Steve continues its vigil. At some point sooner than later, Cook will retire, and then they'll move on to hating his replacement and praying for an AI Steve. 
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  • Reply 10 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,370member
    jdiamond said:
    An easy misstep, but no excuse for Siri.  A typical leading foundation model takes about 2 months to train on ~16,000 GPUs.  I don't know where Apple was on that scale, but let's say as a result of stinginess, Apple took 4 months instead of 2 months to train a model.  Doesn't explain why 2 years later they have nothing.  Or why they didn't have something already back in 2023.
    There are two separate components in Siri With Apple Intelligence. Let's look at the AI part first.

    My guess is that Apple has an LLM-based AI chatbot assistant that is comparable in quality to the competition (no one stands head and shoulders above the rest). And that's a problem. Apple executives undoubtedly realize that "just as good" isn't what they need to deliver. They need to ship something markedly better. An AI assistant that works 60-70% of the time is not reliable enough for Joe Consumer. It's just a waste of resources: time, electricity, water, money. If you had a human personal assistant that would bungle 30-40% of assigned tasks, you'd fire them that first week.

    In the same way, if your iPhone failed at subway fare gates 40% of the time, you'd quickly give up using Apple Pay as a transit pass for your daily commute. You'd just pull out your plastic card or shove a paper ticket into a slot.

    For true usability, an AI assistant will likely need to be 99.99% reliable. Maybe even more accurate than that. No one has time to query 7-8 AI chatbot assistants and continuously triage through the responses until they stumble upon the right answer but that's the state of the consumer-facing AI industry in April 2025.

    The second problem is that Siri's current input method is voice only. Voice input is notoriously unreliable. It works some of the time for some people. This is not news, it has been like this for decades.

    You combine a balky input method with unreliable assistance and you get something that might be amusing from time-to-time but not useful in the long run.

    Apple needs to make Siri's primary input as text. That will reduce query interpretation errors. There's no surprise that all of the other big AI assistants (ChatGPT, Perplexity, Gemini, Claude, whatever) start out as text-based tools.

    There's a third challenge for Apple: they prioritize privacy and data security more than the competition. That makes it harder for Apple not easier. Apple's main competition in this area wants to take your AI chatbot activity data and sell it to the highest bidder. Apple has to put more effort and resources into their service because it takes extra work to ensure privacy and security.

    Remember Microsoft Recall from last year? Well, it's supposed to ship soon, almost a year late. Reason? Heavy criticism about Microsoft's utter lack of security and privacy features for the service.

    Throwing more money at AI model training isn't improving chatbot assistant reliability.
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  • Reply 11 of 17
    swat671swat671 Posts: 165member
    One thing I wonder about is if the privacy focus could screw things up. I’ve read other stories in the past that because Apple doesn’t let Siri store information and other things and let it use other info like Google, Amazon, Open AI, etc do, it really hobbles Siri’s ability to improve itself. So Apple’s privacy focus in this case means they’re shoring themselves in the foot. 
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  • Reply 12 of 17
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,370member
    swat671 said:
    One thing I wonder about is if the privacy focus could screw things up. I’ve read other stories in the past that because Apple doesn’t let Siri store information and other things and let it use other info like Google, Amazon, Open AI, etc do, it really hobbles Siri’s ability to improve itself. So Apple’s privacy focus in this case means they’re shoring themselves in the foot. 
    Apple would likely need to find a way to house the most sensitive Siri data somewhere safe. I'm not sure if the Secure Enclave is currently designed to house that type of data. But for sure, to be done with a strong security focus much of it would have to stay on-device.

    It is very possible that Apple would need to make some significant hardware changes to do this properly. Uploading everything to the cloud is not an option for privacy-minded Apple.

    Ultimately Apple needs to treat Siri data with as much caution as your health or financial data.
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  • Reply 13 of 17
    There have also been a lot of distractions: Project Titan - the $10 billion vanity project to develop an automated EV. Apple Vision while promising seemed to suck up a lot of R&D. My experience with Siri was not that it just floated for years, it actually went backwards. At one point it had, for sake of a better word, "endearing" elements. For example: "Beam me up Siri" would come back with an almost snarky funny line. Similarly, "Open the Pod Bay Doors" had the semblance of cultural awareness. There were also practical queries like "Siri, what planes are overhead" which would bring up exactly the flight information for the aircraft above you. Now you just get a dump link to FlightAware - not even with a GPS data point. Sir is now just an irritant with HomePods - it is easier to search for music and then hover transfer playing from an iphone without ever using Siri.

    No, Siri has been going down hill for a long time - who can say what "vision" Apple has left - just more distractions.
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  • Reply 14 of 17
    nubusnubus Posts: 779member
    No, Siri has been going down hill for a long time - who can say what "vision" Apple has left - just more distractions.
    Apple is mainly doing products for 1 feature per year while keeping tiers making products mediocre by waiting or by tier - often by both. That is why we can't get OLED on Mac or anything beyond 60 Hz unless "Pro". We get more buttons, lenses or transistors just to make things look fresh.

    Same on iOS. It is bloatware caused by annual updates with features being piled on top. Thousands of settings instead of going deep and trying to figure out "what are people are trying to do". 

    Not that the hardware is bad. MBA is a very nice computer but the main difference between now and 19 years ago is battery life. User experience hasn't changed much.
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  • Reply 15 of 17
    kelliekellie Posts: 78member
    Apple’s historical strength has been hardware design.  Look at all the product launches Steve Jobs was famous for - they were mostly hardware hardware focused.  Devices were thinner, lighter, faster, sexier, colorful, etc. Software, usability, user experience, ease of use, functionality, etc. have always been secondary to the hardware design.  The culture at Apple is hardware and physical design focused.  It’s gotten to the point where the big iPhone annual updates are at best marginal improvements from the prior year.  And the Apple marketing team is very stingy in rapidly bringing new hardware technology to their products.  They want to control the flow of tech upgrades to maximize profits vs. maximizing the user experience. Which is why people have been frustrated with Siri from its beginning. I hardly ever use it as I’m constantly disappointed with its functionality.  

    If I were Apple I wouldn’t initially focus on general purpose AI chat bots.  I’d focus on AI tools to assist owners with configuring and optimizing their Apple products.  There are so many settings and configurations that are unknown or confounding to users.  There are settings that are critical to security, data protection, privacy, performance, etc that the vast majority of users are totally or mostly unfamiliar with.  Device management and optimization has become a “full time job” for people and it’s frustrating.  Using AI to help with device management and optimization would be extremely beneficial and a significant capability that would motivate the sale of Apple hardware.  AI to educate the customer about new features or new ways to use Apple software.  When customers have product questions, Apple support is truly frustrating.  Online queries drop you into old school online forums where the user is forced to wade through all sorts of customer generated content and there is no intelligent response that quickly and easily gets you a reliable answer. 

    So Tim and company, turn Apple Intelligence inwards to your products and make them easier to use, configure, troubleshoot and maintain.  Eliminate a lot of the overhead and friction of managing a device.  While simultaneously improving device performance, security and the user experience. You will wind up with a powerful reason for people to switch to Apple products and keep existing customers in the Apple ecosystem.  In parallel you can continue to develop general purpose AI tools, but focus on Apple product AI functionality first would be a game changer. 
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  • Reply 16 of 17
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,888member
    There have also been a lot of distractions: Project Titan - the $10 billion vanity project to develop an automated EV. Apple Vision while promising seemed to suck up a lot of R&D. My experience with Siri was not that it just floated for years, it actually went backwards. At one point it had, for sake of a better word, "endearing" elements. For example: "Beam me up Siri" would come back with an almost snarky funny line. Similarly, "Open the Pod Bay Doors" had the semblance of cultural awareness. There were also practical queries like "Siri, what planes are overhead" which would bring up exactly the flight information for the aircraft above you. Now you just get a dump link to FlightAware - not even with a GPS data point. Sir is now just an irritant with HomePods - it is easier to search for music and then hover transfer playing from an iphone without ever using Siri.

    No, Siri has been going down hill for a long time - who can say what "vision" Apple has left - just more distractions.
    This is exactly my experience too. Cook has stripped out the fun that Steve clearly enjoyed with Siri, he demoed a couple of similar things on-stage and laughed himself. Stuffy Cook clearly doesn't appreciate anything fun, which is why his "improving people's lives", "incredible" and "magical" comments on it always come across as so false and over the top.

    Siri used to defer to Wolfram Alpha for a lot of things but that stopped working long ago. I imagine the license ran out. The lack of development in Siri has become more obvious with the likes of Alexa coming after and yet being better, and this is even more glaringly obvious now that there has been such a leap with LLMs. It's clear Apple was totally blindsided by AI, and Cook is flat out lying when he says they've been working on it for years. If they truly have had a decent sized team working on a LLM for "years", where are the results? As there are none, why has Cook allowed it to bumble on for so long with no actual progress whilst wasting $10bn on the car? The buck stops with Cook. He has become really stale and settled. He has changed Apple's structure from a nimble, collaborative place to a sluggish monolithic company. He needs to be replaced with someone younger, more charismatic, someone who understands and is more connected to the products. It is clear from his presentations that the only things he adds to his script are the buzzwords above. 
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  • Reply 17 of 17
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,347member
    Spared no expense on a minimal market, niche headset. Then underinvested in mass market Siri, which has already been an Achilles heel. 

    For such a brilliant company, they make some weird decisions sometimes. 
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