Trump confirms he reduced tariffs to help Tim Cook

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While denying he ever changes his mind, Trump has now said he helped out Apple with tariffs because of conversations with Tim Cook.

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Trump (right) at the 2019 meeting when he praised "Tim Apple" -- image credit: Apple



It's up there with night follows day, but Trump has now effectively confirmed that it was after speaking with Tim Cook that he changed his tariffs. His statement has to be defined as effectively, because he was typically unclear and attempting to sound as if he were sticking flawlessly to his original tariff plan.

"Look, I'm a very flexible person. I don't change my mind, but I'm flexible," he said to reporters while officially meeting with El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele. "And you have to be."

"You just can't have a wall and you'll only go... sometimes you have to go around it, under it or above it," he continued. "There'll be maybe things coming up... I speak to Tim Cook."

"I helped Tim Cook recently," said Trump. "And that whole business. I don't want to hurt anybody."

Apple gained its massive -- if not complete -- tariff exemption in a surprise announcement on Friday. The world reaction was then that Trump had backed down from his insistence that there would be be no exemptions, so naturally there was then pushback from the White House.

By Sunday, Trump was denying that there had been any exemption and re-framed it as changing from one type of tariff to another. He further had his commerce secretary Howard Lutnick explicitly say that Apple's exemption or exception or whatever the latest synonym is, would only be short term.

It was a clear and firm commitment that wasn't clear. The closest to a commitment Lutnick gave was that the exemption or exception or relief for Apple would be over "in a month or two."

While Lutnick won't commit to a schedule and Trump is adamantly stating that "there was no Tariff 'exception'," the one certainty about the tariff exception is that Tim Cook asked for it. Cook has famously been one of the few business leaders who has been praised by Trump, although he called him "Tim Apple."

Cook was once described by Steve Jobs as not being a "product person," but he's unquestionably a politician. He apparently kept the working relationship going with Trump before the last election, and he is confirmed to have personally donated $1 million to the president's inauguration.




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  • Reply 1 of 30
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,747member
    Tim Cook didn't "donate" that $1 million to buy a seat at the inauguration ceremony for nuthin'.

    That's how this administration works. 
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  • Reply 2 of 30
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 146member
    Sounds like Trump is explaining his exemptions as him being just flexible and he has to help out certain companies(Apple). It’s a way of helping out Apple because he feels compelled but also not abandoning his tariffs. Looks like Apple is good to go
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  • Reply 3 of 30
    I thought he was saving America and we needed tariffs to build more. It's almost like the organ one has no idea what he's doing beyond greed and corruption.
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  • Reply 4 of 30
    ForumPostforumpost Posts: 113member
    I thought he was saving America and we needed tariffs to build more. It's almost like the organ one has no idea what he's doing beyond greed and corruption.
    Indeed. Government is built on bribes
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  • Reply 5 of 30
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,107member
    ForumPost said:
    I thought he was saving America and we needed tariffs to build more. It's almost like the organ one has no idea what he's doing beyond greed and corruption.
    Indeed. This Government is built on bribes
    Fixed it for you. 
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  • Reply 6 of 30
    I thought he was saving America and we needed tariffs to build more. It's almost like the organ one has no idea what he's doing beyond greed and corruption.
    That Trump does not even understand that this is corruption. No corruption here! Just helpin’ out!
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  • Reply 7 of 30
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,368member
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
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  • Reply 8 of 30
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,224member
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    If intelligent people were involved, surely none of this would have been necessary. 

    He imposed tariffs. There were little to no exceptions. He let that situation sit while markets collapsed everywhere. He doubled down on there being no change of thought and barely hours after saying there would be no backing down, he did just that, suspending 'reciprocal' tariffs for 90 days. 

    Then, late Friday exemptions were put in place.

    By late Sunday we were being told there were no real exemptions (according to Lutnick) but a sort of pause within a pause and everyone was 'on the hook' (according to Trump) and that new tariffs were being devised to replace the original ones but they simply weren't ready and we know no one will even dare explain them (because they are being cooked up as we speak and don't exist). 

    Even within the administration mixed messaging is emerging and now we are to believe Trump is 'flexible'?

    It is nice to hear about walls and going over or below them, or even around them but the US decided to crash straight into them. 

    There is no intelligence on show here. It's the complete opposite. Chaos and reaction to the problems chaos brings. 

    Intelligence would never have seen this mess get to this point. 

    Intelligence would not have seen Trump congratulating his pals for stock market gains hours before he announced another walk back (opening him up to valid insider trading accusations). 


    Tim Cook and every CEO and small business owner in the US would know what trade policy is and be acting on it. That isn't happening because there is NO stable trade policy.

    Everyone is running blind. 


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  • Reply 9 of 30
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,760member
    I’ve been moving to the camp of people saying Cook needs to go due to the AI situation, but maybe in this context it’s more important to have a CEO adept at getting what his company needs from the dictator than it is to have a CEO who knows how to make great products.
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  • Reply 10 of 30
    In a fascist state, the political leader dictates the winners and losers in an economy. 


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  • Reply 11 of 30

    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    Just this morning, little donnie already pivoted.
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  • Reply 12 of 30
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,387member
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    These are not intelligent people in charge. These are not good people in charge. Note that during this same meeting with the El Salvadoran president, not only did Trump offer doublespeak about never changing his mind while also changing his mind to benefit Apple, he said, in a hot-mic moment, “Homegrowns are next. The homegrowns. You gotta build about five more places.” He wants more offshore torture prisons built so he can send US citizens out of the country, where he would be ‘powerless’ to bring them back. Let’s hope he changes his mind about that. But at least you’re a happy potential customer for your iPhone upgrade. 
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  • Reply 13 of 30
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,988member
    Everything the current president is doing is purely for his own personal pleasure and to fulfill his deep personal yearnings for power, control, and forced allegiance. The basis of his relationships with all of these compliant corporate and political leaders, Tim Cook included, is FEAR.

    None of this is being done in service to the nation or to improve the quality of life and security of those who voted for him. Publicly announcing that Apple is getting a reprieve from tariffs because of his personal relationship with Tim Cook is a signal to other corporate leaders to comply with his demands and accept a subservient relationship. If he likes you, you’ll catch a break. 

    I’m not pulling this out of the back channel, he has absolutely stated this “If I like you I may help you.” thing on many occasions. At least it’s transparent, so there’s no reason to pretend any more. 
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  • Reply 14 of 30
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,368member
    avon b7 said:
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    If intelligent people were involved, surely none of this would have been necessary. 

    He imposed tariffs. There were little to no exceptions. He let that situation sit while markets collapsed everywhere. He doubled down on there being no change of thought and barely hours after saying there would be no backing down, he did just that, suspending 'reciprocal' tariffs for 90 days. 

    Then, late Friday exemptions were put in place.

    By late Sunday we were being told there were no real exemptions (according to Lutnick) but a sort of pause within a pause and everyone was 'on the hook' (according to Trump) and that new tariffs were being devised to replace the original ones but they simply weren't ready and we know no one will even dare explain them (because they are being cooked up as we speak and don't exist). 

    Even within the administration mixed messaging is emerging and now we are to believe Trump is 'flexible'?

    It is nice to hear about walls and going over or below them, or even around them but the US decided to crash straight into them. 

    There is no intelligence on show here. It's the complete opposite. Chaos and reaction to the problems chaos brings. 

    Intelligence would never have seen this mess get to this point. 

    Intelligence would not have seen Trump congratulating his pals for stock market gains hours before he announced another walk back (opening him up to valid insider trading accusations). 


    Tim Cook and every CEO and small business owner in the US would know what trade policy is and be acting on it. That isn't happening because there is NO stable trade policy.

    Everyone is running blind. 


    Incorrect. It’s because of intelligent and good people that we are finally addressing long-standing abuses and doing so in a way that is benefitting Americans as much as possible and sparing collateral damage where possible. It’s not changing your mind when you planned to do something already. Trump hinted at this previously and we saw precedent in his first term. And that El Salvador president sure seemed to respect him tremendously. 

    The right thing to do isn’t to continue to be ripped off. Nor is it to apply tarriffs without concern for American companies. 

    People elected the president in a number of issues. This is one. The previous admin let American get bullied around. We saw a microcosm of that with Apple and the EU. That era is over. All of a sudden we hear the eu saying they’re willing to deal. We hear them second guessing their ridiculously exorbitant fees charged against Apple for stuff they make up as they go along. America is strong again. And as a result, so are Americans and our companies. This is good. A lot of mental acrobatics to try to spin it any other way. 

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  • Reply 15 of 30
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,224member
    avon b7 said:
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    If intelligent people were involved, surely none of this would have been necessary. 

    He imposed tariffs. There were little to no exceptions. He let that situation sit while markets collapsed everywhere. He doubled down on there being no change of thought and barely hours after saying there would be no backing down, he did just that, suspending 'reciprocal' tariffs for 90 days. 

    Then, late Friday exemptions were put in place.

    By late Sunday we were being told there were no real exemptions (according to Lutnick) but a sort of pause within a pause and everyone was 'on the hook' (according to Trump) and that new tariffs were being devised to replace the original ones but they simply weren't ready and we know no one will even dare explain them (because they are being cooked up as we speak and don't exist). 

    Even within the administration mixed messaging is emerging and now we are to believe Trump is 'flexible'?

    It is nice to hear about walls and going over or below them, or even around them but the US decided to crash straight into them. 

    There is no intelligence on show here. It's the complete opposite. Chaos and reaction to the problems chaos brings. 

    Intelligence would never have seen this mess get to this point. 

    Intelligence would not have seen Trump congratulating his pals for stock market gains hours before he announced another walk back (opening him up to valid insider trading accusations). 


    Tim Cook and every CEO and small business owner in the US would know what trade policy is and be acting on it. That isn't happening because there is NO stable trade policy.

    Everyone is running blind. 


    Incorrect. It’s because of intelligent and good people that we are finally addressing long-standing abuses and doing so in a way that is benefitting Americans as much as possible and sparing collateral damage where possible. It’s not changing your mind when you planned to do something already. Trump hinted at this previously and we saw precedent in his first term. And that El Salvador president sure seemed to respect him tremendously. 

    The right thing to do isn’t to continue to be ripped off. Nor is it to apply tarriffs without concern for American companies. 

    People elected the president in a number of issues. This is one. The previous admin let American get bullied around. We saw a microcosm of that with Apple and the EU. That era is over. All of a sudden we hear the eu saying they’re willing to deal. We hear them second guessing their ridiculously exorbitant fees charged against Apple for stuff they make up as they go along. America is strong again. And as a result, so are Americans and our companies. This is good. A lot of mental acrobatics to try to spin it any other way. 

    Are you saying this is the intelligent way to address these issues? That there were no, far, far less damaging options available to reach the same goals?

    If you are then that is utterly absurd. 

    The damage has already been done. None of it was necessary. 

    It was not intelligent to send someone like JD Vance to the Munich Security Conference to proclaim there was a 'new sheriff in town'. That was plain stupid, disrespectful and embarrassing. It wasn't intelligent to belittle world leaders by saying they were queueing up to kiss his ass. It wasn't intelligent to speak of the Chinese as peasants (in any context). It wasn't intelligent to speak about the 'Governor' of Canada or the '51st state'. It wasn't intelligent to speak about using force to take Greenland. It wasn't intelligent to begin 'peace' talks on Ukraine without Ukraine at the talks. It wasn't intelligent to speak about not letting the people of Gaza back. Or taking control of the Panama Canal. 

    All of the above should have been approached in an entirely different manner because he has achieved nothing to date and created I'll-will everywhere. Not intelligent when you never know when you might need the collaboration of someone else. 

    Tariffs are not new. Tariffs are not a problem. 

    The Trump Tariffs are a problem because they immediately became counterproductive and led to pushback and counter-tariffs from the EU (suspended in good faith) and China (pushing back hard).

    Not to mention that two weeks after Liberation Day, nothing has been 'liberated'. Ironic. 

    Let's also skip over the fact that so much of what he said he would do would happen on Day 1.

    So the CEOs of all the top US companies now have literally no idea of what's going to happen next apart from they are all 'on the hook'.

    If Trump had done the intelligent thing he would have communicated his plans (those that impacted top US corporations) to make things clear. 

    Did he do that, in spite of talking to Tim Cook for example? Because if he did do that, Tim Cook wouldn't have airlifted millions of iPhones from India. Right? Or is it Tim heard him out and still thought 'oh, shit!'.

    There is no intelligence on show here and the evidence is piling up daily. 
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  • Reply 16 of 30
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,387member
    avon b7 said:
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    If intelligent people were involved, surely none of this would have been necessary. 

    He imposed tariffs. There were little to no exceptions. He let that situation sit while markets collapsed everywhere. He doubled down on there being no change of thought and barely hours after saying there would be no backing down, he did just that, suspending 'reciprocal' tariffs for 90 days. 

    Then, late Friday exemptions were put in place.

    By late Sunday we were being told there were no real exemptions (according to Lutnick) but a sort of pause within a pause and everyone was 'on the hook' (according to Trump) and that new tariffs were being devised to replace the original ones but they simply weren't ready and we know no one will even dare explain them (because they are being cooked up as we speak and don't exist). 

    Even within the administration mixed messaging is emerging and now we are to believe Trump is 'flexible'?

    It is nice to hear about walls and going over or below them, or even around them but the US decided to crash straight into them. 

    There is no intelligence on show here. It's the complete opposite. Chaos and reaction to the problems chaos brings. 

    Intelligence would never have seen this mess get to this point. 

    Intelligence would not have seen Trump congratulating his pals for stock market gains hours before he announced another walk back (opening him up to valid insider trading accusations). 


    Tim Cook and every CEO and small business owner in the US would know what trade policy is and be acting on it. That isn't happening because there is NO stable trade policy.

    Everyone is running blind. 


    Incorrect. It’s because of intelligent and good people that we are finally addressing long-standing abuses and doing so in a way that is benefitting Americans as much as possible and sparing collateral damage where possible. It’s not changing your mind when you planned to do something already. Trump hinted at this previously and we saw precedent in his first term. And that El Salvador president sure seemed to respect him tremendously. 

    The right thing to do isn’t to continue to be ripped off. Nor is it to apply tarriffs without concern for American companies. 

    People elected the president in a number of issues. This is one. The previous admin let American get bullied around. We saw a microcosm of that with Apple and the EU. That era is over. All of a sudden we hear the eu saying they’re willing to deal. We hear them second guessing their ridiculously exorbitant fees charged against Apple for stuff they make up as they go along. America is strong again. And as a result, so are Americans and our companies. This is good. A lot of mental acrobatics to try to spin it any other way. 

    Your sycophancy is an embarrassment. The collateral damage is huge. Americans will be paying higher prices for cars, food, lumber, and the majority of every day items they buy online and at big box stores. None of this will yield in influx of new, high-paying jobs to offset the costs, certainly not anytime soon, and with continued flip-flops and insouciance from this administration, the jobs won't come later, either. Nobody makes major investments in an unstable market. The article above demonstrates how the exemptions for Apple that may or may not be exemptions and may or may not last, were an afterthought, not part of any plan. The collateral damage with our own allies means we are in a much weaker position to negotiate anything with China. A year ago, our European allies were strongly aligned with us and rapidly distancing themselves from China because of its overt support for Russia. Now, those European countries are re-examining their relationship with China, because at least it represents a more stable trading partner than the United States. So you go ahead and enjoy your maybe-tariff-exempted new iPhone upgrade, because it's coming at an enormous cost to all Americans. 

    The El Salvadoran president likes Trump because Trump is paying him to like him, and offering to pay him a lot more to build gulags for US citizens as well. Like all of Trump's relationships this is entirely transactional.

    You're the one engaging in mental acrobatics as you try to spin any of this as good for anyone but Donald Trump.
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  • Reply 17 of 30

    Cook was once described by Steve Jobs as not being a "product person," but he's unquestionably a politician. He apparently kept the working relationship going with Trump before the last election, and he is confirmed to have personally donated $1 million to the president's inauguration.

    I'll do more than question it, I'll flat out assert that he is not a politician.

    Politicians (at least when the term is used pejoratively, as it seems to here) don't stand for anything, say whatever they need to say, and shift with the slightest breeze.

    That isn't Tim Cook. Exhibit 1: https://www.apple.com/diversity/ ;

    Perhaps we can agree that he is politically astute, but that doesn't make him a politician.
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  • Reply 18 of 30
    ilarynxilarynx Posts: 154member
    This article helps to explain the small pockets of minions supporting the chaotic tariffs:

    The strange link between Trump’s tariffs and incel ideology

    Meet the lonely men who think the tariffs will get them girlfriends.

    https://apple.news/AjEvNnQFnTpKbDNMkKkowsA
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  • Reply 19 of 30
    thedbathedba Posts: 826member
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    As I said a long time ago, intelligent people are in charge snd apple will be ok. The president will have a way to navigate Apple through some difficult decidd add jobs. And it has come to pass. 

    Cook was wise to open the door of discussion dnd thr president has been wise in response. 

    I know it’s popular in this particular online space to detract from the president no matter what he does, but the fact is tarriffs are necessary -yet it’s sldd add o necessary to protect Americans and American companies. The idea is to put the pressure on other countries, particularly China - and not on American companies. 

    It’s not changing mindset. It’s continuing forward motion, msnuevering as needed. That’s only good stuff snd Apple is the better for it. As this year marks time for my iPhone upgrade and early next is my next Mac purchase, I am a pretty happy potential customer right about now. 
    If intelligent people were involved, surely none of this would have been necessary. 

    He imposed tariffs. There were little to no exceptions. He let that situation sit while markets collapsed everywhere. He doubled down on there being no change of thought and barely hours after saying there would be no backing down, he did just that, suspending 'reciprocal' tariffs for 90 days. 

    Then, late Friday exemptions were put in place.

    By late Sunday we were being told there were no real exemptions (according to Lutnick) but a sort of pause within a pause and everyone was 'on the hook' (according to Trump) and that new tariffs were being devised to replace the original ones but they simply weren't ready and we know no one will even dare explain them (because they are being cooked up as we speak and don't exist). 

    Even within the administration mixed messaging is emerging and now we are to believe Trump is 'flexible'?

    It is nice to hear about walls and going over or below them, or even around them but the US decided to crash straight into them. 

    There is no intelligence on show here. It's the complete opposite. Chaos and reaction to the problems chaos brings. 

    Intelligence would never have seen this mess get to this point. 

    Intelligence would not have seen Trump congratulating his pals for stock market gains hours before he announced another walk back (opening him up to valid insider trading accusations). 


    Tim Cook and every CEO and small business owner in the US would know what trade policy is and be acting on it. That isn't happening because there is NO stable trade policy.

    Everyone is running blind. 


    Incorrect. It’s because of intelligent and good people that we are finally addressing long-standing abuses and doing so in a way that is benefitting Americans as much as possible and sparing collateral damage where possible. It’s not changing your mind when you planned to do something already. Trump hinted at this previously and we saw precedent in his first term. And that El Salvador president sure seemed to respect him tremendously. 

    The right thing to do isn’t to continue to be ripped off. Nor is it to apply tarriffs without concern for American companies. 

    People elected the president in a number of issues. This is one. The previous admin let American get bullied around. We saw a microcosm of that with Apple and the EU. That era is over. All of a sudden we hear the eu saying they’re willing to deal. We hear them second guessing their ridiculously exorbitant fees charged against Apple for stuff they make up as they go along. America is strong again. And as a result, so are Americans and our companies. This is good. A lot of mental acrobatics to try to spin it any other way. 

    Are you saying this is the intelligent way to address these issues? That there were no, far, far less damaging options available to reach the same goals?

    If you are then that is utterly absurd. 

    The damage has already been done. None of it was necessary. 

    It was not intelligent to send someone like JD Vance to the Munich Security Conference to proclaim there was a 'new sheriff in town'. That was plain stupid, disrespectful and embarrassing. It wasn't intelligent to belittle world leaders by saying they were queueing up to kiss his ass. It wasn't intelligent to speak of the Chinese as peasants (in any context). It wasn't intelligent to speak about the 'Governor' of Canada or the '51st state'. It wasn't intelligent to speak about using force to take Greenland. It wasn't intelligent to begin 'peace' talks on Ukraine without Ukraine at the talks. It wasn't intelligent to speak about not letting the people of Gaza back. Or taking control of the Panama Canal. 

    All of the above should have been approached in an entirely different manner because he has achieved nothing to date and created I'll-will everywhere. Not intelligent when you never know when you might need the collaboration of someone else. 

    Tariffs are not new. Tariffs are not a problem. 

    The Trump Tariffs are a problem because they immediately became counterproductive and led to pushback and counter-tariffs from the EU (suspended in good faith) and China (pushing back hard).

    Not to mention that two weeks after Liberation Day, nothing has been 'liberated'. Ironic. 

    Let's also skip over the fact that so much of what he said he would do would happen on Day 1.

    So the CEOs of all the top US companies now have literally no idea of what's going to happen next apart from they are all 'on the hook'.

    If Trump had done the intelligent thing he would have communicated his plans (those that impacted top US corporations) to make things clear. 

    Did he do that, in spite of talking to Tim Cook for example? Because if he did do that, Tim Cook wouldn't have airlifted millions of iPhones from India. Right? Or is it Tim heard him out and still thought 'oh, shit!'.

    There is no intelligence on show here and the evidence is piling up daily. 
    Admire your patience but I think trying to reason with him is like trying to convince a flat earther that the earth is not flat.
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    spheric said:
    Tim Cook didn't "donate" that $1 million to buy a seat at the inauguration ceremony for nuthin'.

    That's how this administration works. 
    The $1M donation was no different than other Administration have done. 
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