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While the European Union has now fined Apple for what it claims is non-compliance with its Digital Markets Act, the sum involved has been kept low to avoid increasing EU/US trade tensions.

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After denying reports saying that the EU was delaying fines while its member states negotiate with Trump over his "reciprocal" tariffs, the EU has now issued fines for both Apple and Meta. Apple has been fined while Meta was fined $227 million, both for claimed non-compliance with the Digital Markets Act (DMA).

"Today's decisions send a strong and clear message," Teresa Ribera, the EU's new antitrust chief said in the full ruling. "The Digital Markets Act is a crucial instrument to unlock potential, choice and growth by ensuring digital players can operate in contestable and fair markets."

"It protects European consumers and levels the playing field," she continued. "Apple and Meta have fallen short of compliance with the DMA by implementing measures that reinforce the dependence of business users and consumers on their platforms."

Specifically, the EU claims that Apple has failed to comply with an obligation to allow developers in its App Store to freely inform customers of alternative offers, "steer them to those offers and allow them to make purchases.

According to Bloomberg, Apple has said it will appeal against the fine. The company is also said to have accused the EU of discriminating against it, and of requiring it to give its technology to rivals for free.

The EU has, though, accepted Apple's "early and proactive engagement" over its complaints concerning user choice concerning default iPhone apps such as browsers.

In the case of Meta, the EU has fined the social media firm over offering users in the European Union a "consent or pay" model. It meant that, for a time, Facebook users were effectively being forced to accept all ads.

However, the EU has also backed down on one key issue concerning Meta. As of now, the Facebook Marketplace is no longer to be subject to the DMA.

That's because Meta has persuaded the EU that Marketplace does not have sufficient business users to qualify under the DMA's conditions for being a gatekeeper platform.

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Despite Apple reportedly saying it will appeal against the fine, at present the law gives the company 60 days to pay. If it fails to do so, Apple will "risk periodic penalty payments."

It's also possible that Trump will respond to the EU's fine. Before his current second term in office, Trump said that Tim Cook had recently complained to him about the EU.

Trump's comments were typically unclear, but he did conclude by saying that "I'm not going to let them take advantage of our companies -- that won't, you know, be happening.'"

During the term of Teresa Ribera's predecessor, Margrethe Vestager, the EU anticompetition regulator fined Apple $2 billion over allegations regarding Apple Music. Those spurious claims treated Apple Music as the dominant music streaming service, when EU-based Spotify is far more widely used.

With the EU now fining Apple around 70% less for this seemingly similar case, it does appear that the European Commission is trying to avoid a tariff war escalation. Ribera has previously claimed the EU would not be bullied by the US, but has said she was open to negotiations with the White House.



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  • Reply 1 of 35
    When the greatest in the world choose to engage in acts of corruption, they do so with their heads held high as if they aren’t doing anything reprehensible.
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  • Reply 2 of 35
    rerollreroll Posts: 63member
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.

    To take the wording of the previous post that would make the US more evil, and Trump more wrong. With that reasoning one could wish biblical judgment on the US. But that’s not the US. It’s just Trump&friends.  
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  • Reply 3 of 35
    I did not understand the Spotify - Apple Music fine. The Commission conveniently overlooked that it is Spotify that has a monopoly in the EU and is not financially harmed by Apple, even becoming profitable after many years despite Daniel Ek's extravagant CEO lifestyle. Anti steering should have been a simple thing for Apple, with a notice that the app  could be purchased on the web. A url could have even have been provided, but I could not see how Apple should provide an actual link on the App Store page. That would be like Walmart arranging for an Uber to take you to Target to buy the product at a lower price. Apple was likely surprised how aggressive Vestager was, and how committed she was to promote EU industry by fining US industry. She is gone. Apple will appeal to the courts, which have in past over ruled the Commission, but the chances are small of reversing this. After all, this is 'only 500 million' and this is Apple...
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  • Reply 4 of 35
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,377member
    When the greatest in the world choose to engage in acts of corruption, they do so with their heads held high as if they aren’t doing anything reprehensible.
    True. But wouldn’t call the EU leaders “the greatest in the world.”

    even $1 is too much to fine s company that has done nothing wrong - all they’ve done is try to deliver the best stuff on earth. And they’ve mostly succeeded. That’s to be commended, not punished. 

    If they think that is flying under the radar, they need to seek treatment. Things are going to get very interesting. 
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  • Reply 5 of 35
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,993member
    So, in the EU when you walk into a McDonald's are there posters on the doors and walls saying "Have you thought about buying your cheeseburgers at Burger King, or perhaps Wendy's instead?" 
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  • Reply 6 of 35
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,377member
    I did not understand the Spotify - Apple Music fine. The Commission conveniently overlooked that it is Spotify that has a monopoly in the EU and is not financially harmed by Apple, even becoming profitable after many years despite Daniel Ek's extravagant CEO lifestyle. Anti steering should have been a simple thing for Apple, with a notice that the app  could be purchased on the web. A url could have even have been provided, but I could not see how Apple should provide an actual link on the App Store page. That would be like Walmart arranging for an Uber to take you to Target to buy the product at a lower price. Apple was likely surprised how aggressive Vestager was, and how committed she was to promote EU industry by fining US industry. She is gone. Apple will appeal to the courts, which have in past over ruled the Commission, but the chances are small of reversing this. After all, this is 'only 500 million' and this is Apple...
    A “notice” thst an app can be purchased elsewhere is such an egregious and corrupt thing to force on a company. 

    It’s equivalent to a popular exclusive store being forced to put up a sign next to designer jeans pointing people to a sale at wal/mart down the street. 

    Apple earned the attention they get with the App Store. There’s a reason why vendors give a cut to big box stores. Bevause those stores create discoverability and that has big time value. Without apple, no one would even know most of these apps existed. 

    Barnes and noble never has to put a sign up pointing people to the local mom and pop bookstore that sells the same book. And if a sign was found, it would be immediately removed and legal action taken against whoever put it there. 

    It can seem like a small matter. But in reality, it’s at the core of the issue. 

    There’s a thing called the internet. Threw another thing called the search engine. And believe it or not, people are pretty adept at using both to find what they want and get the deal they want. I know you know this. I’m simply pointing out the obvious fallacy of the EUs argument. 
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  • Reply 7 of 35
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,693member
    reroll said:
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.

    To take the wording of the previous post that would make the US more evil, and Trump more wrong. With that reasoning one could wish biblical judgment on the US. But that’s not the US. It’s just Trump&friends.  

    Another ridiculous action by the EU, I do not expect the Dutch company ASML for example or any company in the United States or anywhere for that matter, be required to give up share their research and development for free because some government somewhere says you should for made up competitive reasons, Apple, ASML got where they did through hard work research and development over time. 

    They did not stop anyone else outside their company from pursuing the same results and the same applies to any company that does the actual research and development, it’s not about tariff escalation you have just given the Bumpkins in the White House, the idea that they can do the same thing in reverse to other companies outside the United States require them to share whatever they have of value at a whim.

    At the end companies being clearinghouses the fine will be added to a line item in a company ledger “labeled” paid/charged to the EU (Europe). Which in many ways is similar to the tariffs (Federal sales tax) the country targeted (China/company) doesn’t pay it’s the citizens on the other end who pay.
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  • Reply 8 of 35
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 37member
    I did not understand the Spotify - Apple Music fine. The Commission conveniently overlooked that it is Spotify that has a monopoly in the EU and is not financially harmed by Apple, even becoming profitable after many years despite Daniel Ek's extravagant CEO lifestyle. Anti steering should have been a simple thing for Apple, with a notice that the app  could be purchased on the web. A url could have even have been provided, but I could not see how Apple should provide an actual link on the App Store page. That would be like Walmart arranging for an Uber to take you to Target to buy the product at a lower price. Apple was likely surprised how aggressive Vestager was, and how committed she was to promote EU industry by fining US industry. She is gone. Apple will appeal to the courts, which have in past over ruled the Commission, but the chances are small of reversing this. After all, this is 'only 500 million' and this is Apple...
    EU wants to Apple to give away their technology and IP for free , preferably to an European company . What is the difference then between these people and China?

    robbery in a suit like EU is still robbery
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  • Reply 9 of 35
    danox said:
    reroll said:
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.

    To take the wording of the previous post that would make the US more evil, and Trump more wrong. With that reasoning one could wish biblical judgment on the US. But that’s not the US. It’s just Trump&friends.  

    Another ridiculous action by the EU, I do not expect the Dutch company ASML for example or any company in the United States or anywhere for that matter, be required to give up share their research and development for free because some government somewhere says you should for made up competitive reasons, Apple, ASML got where they did through hard work research and development over time. 

    They did not stop anyone else outside their company from pursuing the same results and the same applies to any company that does the actual research and development, it’s not about tariff escalation you have just given the Bumpkins in the White House, the idea that they can do the same thing in reverse to other companies outside the United States require them to share whatever have of value at a whim.
    The US federal government forced AT&T to provide its patents (including for the transistor) for free to other US companies.
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  • Reply 10 of 35
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,693member
    avon b7 said:

    Just look at the situation of Perrier over the last few months. 

    So this is ironic Perrier water is basically the same as the water in ASML Holland, which happens to be downstream of everybody in Europe,… So does that mean Dutch bottled water can now be competitive to mountain spring water from the Alps?
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  • Reply 11 of 35
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,693member
    danox said:
    reroll said:
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.

    To take the wording of the previous post that would make the US more evil, and Trump more wrong. With that reasoning one could wish biblical judgment on the US. But that’s not the US. It’s just Trump&friends.  

    Another ridiculous action by the EU, I do not expect the Dutch company ASML for example or any company in the United States or anywhere for that matter, be required to give up share their research and development for free because some government somewhere says you should for made up competitive reasons, Apple, ASML got where they did through hard work research and development over time. 

    They did not stop anyone else outside their company from pursuing the same results and the same applies to any company that does the actual research and development, it’s not about tariff escalation you have just given the Bumpkins in the White House, the idea that they can do the same thing in reverse to other companies outside the United States require them to share whatever have of value at a whim.
    The US federal government forced AT&T to provide its patents (including for the transistor) for free to other US companies.

    So it would be OK for the current White House occupant to say ASML should give up all of their research and development for competitive reasons. Some poor American company Intel (Spotify) needs in because they have problems keeping up with ASML (Apple)?
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  • Reply 12 of 35
    nubusnubus Posts: 791member
    danox said:
    The US federal government forced AT&T to provide its patents (including for the transistor) for free to other US companies.

    So it would be OK for the current White House occupant to say ASML should give up all of their research and development for competitive reasons. Some poor American company Intel (Spotify) needs in because they have problems keeping up with ASML (Apple)?

    Creating a popular product is never a problem. Using the monopoly to enter another market is.
    ASML doesn't require for TSMC to use buy wafers only from TSMC and with a 30% tax due to technology. Unlike Apple and well... Tetra Pak (and they got fined as well by the EU).
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  • Reply 13 of 35
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,580member
    The US and the EU have served as the world bullies for over a century, destabilizing and vilifying regions across the globe for their own selfish benefits and resource theft. Part of me is glad they're butting heads, but another is worried about another WW as they have previously done at least twice.
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  • Reply 14 of 35
    wozwozwozwoz Posts: 265member
    This is a very foolish decision by the EU, and the suggestion in the article that the fine is 'small' to avoid retribution is naive and misguided. The fine is huge, it gives succour to Trump, and he will no doubt grab on to it, and punish the EU accordingly. And I am sorry to say, but they seem to deserve it.
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  • Reply 15 of 35
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,075member
    reroll said:
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.
    This is really a non sequitur in a discussion of whether those laws are just or designed with corrupt intent. Frankly, we all know that the EU created these vaguely worded, very "plastic" laws with corrupt intent, and that's why people are rightfully upset.
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  • Reply 16 of 35
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,377member
    danox said:
    reroll said:
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.

    To take the wording of the previous post that would make the US more evil, and Trump more wrong. With that reasoning one could wish biblical judgment on the US. But that’s not the US. It’s just Trump&friends.  

    Another ridiculous action by the EU, I do not expect the Dutch company ASML for example or any company in the United States or anywhere for that matter, be required to give up share their research and development for free because some government somewhere says you should for made up competitive reasons, Apple, ASML got where they did through hard work research and development over time. 

    They did not stop anyone else outside their company from pursuing the same results and the same applies to any company that does the actual research and development, it’s not about tariff escalation you have just given the Bumpkins in the White House, the idea that they can do the same thing in reverse to other companies outside the United States require them to share whatever have of value at a whim.
    The US federal government forced AT&T to provide its patents (including for the transistor) for free to other US companies.

    There are plenty of mistakes in history. The great thing about it being history is that you can learn from it and avoid similar mistakes in the present and future. 
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  • Reply 17 of 35
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,153member
    danox said:
    reroll said:
    Companies must comply with the regulations of the regions in which they operate—no exceptions. Failure to do so results in penalties. In fact, US tariffs have cost Apple significantly more than all the fines the EU has imposed combined.

    To take the wording of the previous post that would make the US more evil, and Trump more wrong. With that reasoning one could wish biblical judgment on the US. But that’s not the US. It’s just Trump&friends.  

    Another ridiculous action by the EU, I do not expect the Dutch company ASML for example or any company in the United States or anywhere for that matter, be required to give up share their research and development for free because some government somewhere says you should for made up competitive reasons, Apple, ASML got where they did through hard work research and development over time. 

    They did not stop anyone else outside their company from pursuing the same results and the same applies to any company that does the actual research and development, it’s not about tariff escalation you have just given the Bumpkins in the White House, the idea that they can do the same thing in reverse to other companies outside the United States require them to share whatever have of value at a whim.
    The US federal government forced AT&T to provide its patents (including for the transistor) for free to other US companies.

    Please inform yourself on why ATT was a monopoly. The US government handed ATT a monopoly because our government wanted everyone in the US to have an affordable telephone from which they could call anyone else in the US. Having a dozen different telephone standards did not fit that goal. Therefore, as a result of being handed a government monopoly, ATT had to allow other telephone companies to use their patents, so that all the telephones made by different companies were compatible with each other. ATT also had to run telephone lines to the least populated rural communities, so they had access to a telephone. Something smaller telephone companies could not afford to do. Eventually, the US government went on to approve ATT buying out all its competition. 

    This is no different than how now of days, we use SEP and FRAND to hand patent holders a monopoly, in exchange for allowing others to use the patents at a minimum cost. So that all mobile infrastructures are standardized and companies can make mobile phones that can communicate with each other on any network, without having to pay an arm and leg to patent holders.

    If the EU handed Apple a monopoly in the EU, then I wouldn't have a problem with the EU Commission forcing Apple to allow others in the EU to use their patents, for free. 
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  • Reply 18 of 35
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 458member, administrator, moderator, editor
    Ok, had to delete some incredibly off topic and rule breaking threads that are just useless screaming matches. Let's chill out.

    And as a reminder: It isn't illegal to be a monopoly. It is illegal (or at least heavily regulated globally) if a monopoly uses its power of a specific market to manipulate that market or others. The EU has a right to govern how it sees fit, even if some of its policy seems unfairly targeted towards Apple. It is up to Apple to work through the litigation and arrive at a happy medium. These things take time, and the world leaders having pissing matches won't help either.

    Patience. This fine was a pittance for the affected companies. We'll see where it goes from here.

    Avoid insulting each other, politically charged comments, or leaving the topic entirely to make some kind of random point. There's no need for that.
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  • Reply 19 of 35
    “Helps consumers”

    What a load of crap. It only helps line the pockets of entitled whiny developers (like Epic & Spotify).

    App prices haven’t come down like they said would happen with competition (we saw this already when Apple reduced fees from 30% to 15% for smaller developers–they pocketed the difference instead of lowing prices).

    Idiots.
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  • Reply 20 of 35
    nubusnubus Posts: 791member
    This fine was a pittance for the affected companies. We'll see where it goes from here.
    I would like to see Apple learn from this. There is no benefit to Apple or any of us in Apple being Tesla-ish in Europe.
    Apple is taking a beating in US, China, Indonesia,... without complaining in public.
    But the relation to EU is toxic with Apple going directly in public after people elected. They only do that in the EU, it clearly doesn't work and never has. Why do it?
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