Arms race: Apple's waiting for robotics for US iPhone assembly, says Commerce Secretary

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Apple will eventually make the iPhone in the United States, as soon as it has the "robotic arms" to do so, CEO Tim Cook allegedly told U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick.

Robotic arm disassembling electronic devices in an industrial setting, featuring various mechanical components and wiring, with a warning sign visible in the background.
A robot arm used to recycle iPhones, not manufacture them - Image Credit: Apple



The Trump Administration has long held the narrative that Apple will be bringing production of the iPhone to the United States. While the prospect of that happening is still far off, it apparently seems like there's one little obstacle in the way, if U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick is to be believed.



Speaking to CNBC on Tuesday, Lutnick was asked about when he expects Apple will make the iPhone on U.S. soil. His response initially raised the pledge by Apple to invest $500 billion in the United States, on practically everything but product manufacturing.

For the iPhone itself, Lutnick recalls an apparently recent conversation with Tim Cook, when he asked the Apple CEO the same iPhone manufacturing query. Cook's reply was straightforward, with him allegedly telling Lutnick "I need to have the robotic arms."

Cook supposedly continued, explaining "Do it at a scale and a precision that I can bring it here, and the day I see that available, it's coming here."

Lutnick added that Cook didn't want to employ an army of workers as that was a risk to the company. Social unrest or a strike in China could harm Apple's manufacturing efforts, the Commerce Secretary detailed.

However, unlike the existing human-centric assembly lines currently in use, Lutnick said that Americans will be the technicians driving the factories. They won't be the ones putting screws into hardware, he insists, but instead will have high-paying jobs as part of a so-called "AI Industrial Revolution."

The screws commentary echoes earlier interviews and statements from Lutnick, in reference to the large workforces Apple partners employ elsewhere.

Solving a U.S. workforce problem



Lutnick's discussion of robotic arms is certainly a meaty soundbite. However, there's no actual confirmation from Apple or Cook himself that the conversation took place, or what the conversational subjects actually were.

Given Cook's proactive attempts to have a working relationship with the Trump Administration, as well as the policies of the administration itself, there probably was a conversation that took place on the topic.

Even so, the actual suggestion of using automation, robot arms or otherwise, is probably the path Apple will have to take to bring iPhone production to the U.S.

Cook has previously commented on the state of the U.S. workforce, including one 2018 discussion about its workings in China. Labour in factories is considered low-cost in the U.S., but in China, Cook views it as a highly specialized task.

Vocational training is promoted more heavily in China than in other countries, which has led to a wealth of world-class tooling engineers built up over decades. It's this tooling skill that runs "very deep" in China, in Cook's view.

It's a skill set that is also not easily transferable to robots, nor can be learned quickly at all. It would require a lot of time, effort, and faith in the U.S. workforce to learn the same skills to a similar level in order to bring manufacturing to the U.S. at scale.

Regardless of whether Apple eventually uses robot arms or the human variety to make iPhones and other products in the United States, it's something that will take quite a few years to become a reality, if at all.



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  • Reply 1 of 16
    Has Lutnick contacted Lucasfilm yet?
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 2 of 16
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,087member
    Unfortunately, all the robot arms — as well as legs, heads and torsos — will be subject to tariffs.
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  • Reply 3 of 16
    LenardHlenardh Posts: 22member
    what building will they be in. lol
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  • Reply 4 of 16
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,402member
    This feels like a “the internet is a series of tubes” sort of comment from an official who has no idea that he has no idea what he’s talking about. 
    coolfactordanoxlondorwelshdog
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  • Reply 5 of 16
    SiTimesitime Posts: 64member
    Just an observation:

    Tim Apple isn’t actually waiting for robotic arms to bring iPhone assembly to the United States. Saying “I need to have the robotic arms.” is a kind of diplomatic tech executive way of saying “Sure, I’ll do it… when pigs fly!!!”

    Somehow Lutnick thought Cook was expressing a genuine desire. Cook has no plans at all of bringing iPhone assembly to the United States. Lutnick, you need to learn how to read between the lines.
    muthuk_vanalingamcoolfactorForumPostdanoxlondorwelshdogwilliamlondon
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  • Reply 6 of 16
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,437member
    On the bright side, these could be tele-operated from your favourite coffee shop.
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  • Reply 7 of 16
    SiTimesitime Posts: 64member
    entropys said:
    On the bright side, these could be tele-operated from your favourite coffee shop.
    Who can afford to tele-work out of their favorite coffee shop when the 46% tariff rate is unpaused?

    46% being the “reciprocal” tariff rate on Vietnamese goods, which includes their wonderfully-delicious coffee.
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  • Reply 8 of 16
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,379member
    I fully expect Apple to pioneer mass robotic assembly of mobile phones, but having one or two massive factories is not the way to go. Instead, have micro-factories spread across the globe that can be centrally controlled by Apple. 3D printing would go a long way to reducing smaller parts. Raw metal and raw glass... both can be fed through a 3D printing process. Imagine production instantly switching from one model to another, going up and down as demand changes in smaller market regions.
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  • Reply 9 of 16
    Right after repeal and replace, infrastructure week and 200 deals #winning
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  • Reply 10 of 16
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,005member
    Unfortunately, all the robot arms — as well as legs, heads and torsos — will be subject to tariffs.
    You are pretty much correct. None of the top 10 industrial robot manufacturers are based in the United States. Some of them may have US subsidiaries but Germany, Switzerland, and Japan currently dominate the market. Fortunately, the US is stronger in the industrial automation and process control markets with three US based companies in the top 10.

    I have heard the arguments that automation will increase the number of higher paying jobs versus factory worker jobs. I have seen this to be true over the course of my career. However, it’s never going to be a one for one replacement, not even close. 

    The other effect I have also seen play out personally is that the demand for the workers needed to fill the far from 1:1 replacement jobs have an under supply of US based candidates. The first reaction to this deficit involves hiring more non-US based workers. The second thing that happens is companies who jumped on the outsourcing bandwagon to fill deficits realize that they can also outsource a chunk of their US based workers with outsourced workers.

    I suppose the third step is to replace both US based and non-US based workers with automation. I’m not sure how long it will take to go all-in on step three. At some point the huge population of displaced and replaced workers and politicians will likely take action to prevent manufacturing from ending up where it would obviously go if driven by for-profit companies and technologists alone. 
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  • Reply 11 of 16
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,706member
    dewme said:
    Unfortunately, all the robot arms — as well as legs, heads and torsos — will be subject to tariffs.
    You are pretty much correct. None of the top 10 industrial robot manufacturers are based in the United States. Some of them may have US subsidiaries but Germany, Switzerland, and Japan currently dominate the market. Fortunately, the US is stronger in the industrial automation and process control markets with three US based companies in the top 10.

    I have heard the arguments that automation will increase the number of higher paying jobs versus factory worker jobs. I have seen this to be true over the course of my career. However, it’s never going to be a one for one replacement, not even close. 

    The other effect I have also seen play out personally is that the demand for the workers needed to fill the far from 1:1 replacement jobs have an under supply of US based candidates. The first reaction to this deficit involves hiring more non-US based workers. The second thing that happens is companies who jumped on the outsourcing bandwagon to fill deficits realize that they can also outsource a chunk of their US based workers with outsourced workers.

    I suppose the third step is to replace both US based and non-US based workers with automation. I’m not sure how long it will take to go all-in on step three. At some point the huge population of displaced and replaced workers and politicians will likely take action to prevent manufacturing from ending up where it would obviously go if driven by for-profit companies and technologists alone. 

    The combination of AI and Robotics in the year 2100 A.D. oh boy…..
    neoncat
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  • Reply 12 of 16
    rerollreroll Posts: 64member
    iPhone assembly lines in China actually have quite a lot of automation and robotic arms. Sure that can be even more automated but they are currently better positioned to do so. We will see anyway. One point is I do not see where AI comes in here. When it comes to manufacturing you are looking for a deterministic process that you can repeat as efficiently as possible. Not really AI strength for now. 
    muthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondon13485
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  • Reply 13 of 16
    welshdogwelshdog Posts: 1,925member
    From what I understand, total assembly of something as compact and delicate as an iPhone is not yet possible with robotic tools. Someday we'll get there, but it will require not only better robots, but a whole new level of design and engineering of the phone itself to make it compatible with the robots.

    Re-shoring massive amounts of manufacturing to the US is a current fantasy. The biggest shortcoming is supply chains. We have the absolute best CONSUMER supply chain, but our industrial chain is antiquated and inadequate. Plus, a lot of world manufacturing happens in places where the feedstocks and raw materials are close by. While that can be true for the US in some segments, it's not true for many. Then there's cost of labor problem - I don't see a solution for that. Along with that there is the worker training problem - our skilled manufacturing workforce is a tiny fraction of what it once was. We have near full employment right now so where are these workers coming from? Cook is right about the supply of tool and die makers, the engineers and other skilled workers. China has millions, we have thousands and they are pretty much all employed. And as many have pointed out, factory work is not some dream job for most people. Even if the job is as a robot wrangler, repair tech, automation manager etc. these can be dead-end unsatifying jobs. Whatever - no one who needs to hear all this is listening. I'm old and I guess it's time to enjoy
    "The Important Sound Of Things Falling Apart."
    williamlondon13485
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  • Reply 14 of 16
    1348513485 Posts: 396member
    welshdog said:
    From what I understand, total assembly of something as compact and delicate as an iPhone is not yet possible with robotic tools. Someday we'll get there, but it will require not only better robots, but a whole new level of design and engineering of the phone itself to make it compatible with the robots.

    Re-shoring massive amounts of manufacturing to the US is a current fantasy. The biggest shortcoming is supply chains. We have the absolute best CONSUMER supply chain, but our industrial chain is antiquated and inadequate. Plus, a lot of world manufacturing happens in places where the feedstocks and raw materials are close by. While that can be true for the US in some segments, it's not true for many. Then there's cost of labor problem - I don't see a solution for that. Along with that there is the worker training problem - our skilled manufacturing workforce is a tiny fraction of what it once was. We have near full employment right now so where are these workers coming from? Cook is right about the supply of tool and die makers, the engineers and other skilled workers. China has millions, we have thousands and they are pretty much all employed. And as many have pointed out, factory work is not some dream job for most people. Even if the job is as a robot wrangler, repair tech, automation manager etc. these can be dead-end unsatifying jobs. Whatever - no one who needs to hear all this is listening. I'm old and I guess it's time to enjoy
    "The Important Sound Of Things Falling Apart."
    I think you've nailed it in just about every avenue, and expressed it much better than I have in the past.

    I'm also old and have witnessed the shortage of skilled technical workers first hand for decades. It doesn't seem to be in our educational DNA anymore, and I'm not sure it will change anytime soon, although I wish it would. 
    welshdog
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  • Reply 15 of 16
    clexmanclexman Posts: 227member
    AppleZulu said:
    This feels like a “the internet is a series of tubes” sort of comment from an official who has no idea that he has no idea what he’s talking about. 
    That was and is still an excellent metaphor to describe the internet. The rest of the speech was off, but this one line is great.
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  • Reply 16 of 16
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,612member
    Funny reporting is Apple really waiting?

    I would have thought they would be actively researching given they have shown us disassembly robots which is the same as assembling but can handle less care being taken while you research the precision you need. 

    Is not ready to deploy the same as “waiting”?

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