AWS showdown: Apple once considered providing cloud services to developers

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Apple reportedly was considering providing cloud services to app developers, as executives considered the creation of a rival offering to services sold by Microsoft, Google, and Amazon.

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iCloud is Apple's main cloud service, but it apparently considered providing developers with more.



Developers often rely on cloud servers for various tasks, ranging from data storage to off-device processing. While the major names in the field include the lies of Microsoft, Amazon, and Google, Apple could've been another name on the list.

According to sources of The Information Apple has internally considered providing server-rentals to developers of iPhone and Mac apps. The deliberations, which have happened over the last few years, have not yet resulted in such a service existing, but there's a chance one could eventually turn up.

Executives had envisioned the use of its own chips in servers, used to perform number crunching for clients, including for AI purposes. However, the proponents of the idea thought that Apple's chips are so efficient that developers could end up saving money versus current-gen cloud services.

Unknown future



The internal talks were largely headed up by cloud executive Michael Abbott, who was reportedly the biggest driver of discussions. However, after departing Apple in 2023, talks didn't die down completely.

Discussions on the topic apparently took place in the first half of 2024, but it is unknown if any took place after that time. It is also not known if the talks have died completely, or whether they continue at a smaller or more secretive scale.

Thunderstruck



The idea of Apple using its own chips to create cloud services is something that has been reported on before.

A secret project, internally known as "Project ACDC" (Apple Chips in Data Centers), surfaced in May 2024 as Apple's attempting to develop Apple Silicon specifically for server farm use. The chips would be dedicated to AI processing.

Part of this initiative was the creation of Private Cloud Compute, which uses Mac chips in Apple's data centers for AI processing purposes. The Siri team was the first to try them out, with report sources adding that performance improved in terms of accuracy and processing cost versus servers with Intel chips.

The project then grew to include the Photos and Apple Music teams. It was even referred to internally as a highly private version of Amazon Web Services, the retailer's major service that is a big part of modern-day Internet infrastructure.

When it comes to dealing with heavier loads, Apple also has considerable experience, due to using its servers to process Apple Wallet transactions.

It's also still working on the idea of making server hardware. In May, it was reported that Apple was still keen on the idea of making new AI server chips, replacing the M2 Ultra currently used for remote Apple Intelligence queries.

Massive revenue potential



While it is unknown if Apple will actually go forward with creating a cloud service for use by app developers, it's a thing that could become quite lucrative for the company. Not to mention saving it money.

Apple already spends about $7 billion per year on cloud services from Amazon and Google, chiefly for AI training. By building up and using its own infrastructure, it would reduce what goes out of the company in terms of payments, if not necessarily saving money directly.

As for offering cloud services, a good indicator of what Apple could earn is Google's revenue. As of 2024, Google Cloud makes up 12% of Alphabet's revenue, hauling in $43.2 billion in revenue.

It's not hard to see how Apple, with its AI-forward hardware, could make a killing on server rental. It just has the massive and expensive task of building up its own infrastructure first.

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  • Reply 1 of 10
    lowededwookielowededwookie Posts: 1,205member
    I would like to see some of the old MobileMe features come back running on Apple servers.

    I've wanted to start a podcast, but all the options on the table require someone else to be in control. And given that Apple has a number of rules for the RSS files it seems odd that one can't just self-host with MAMP and an RSS feed tool from Apple. But MobileMe used to host iWeb and iWeb allowed us to create Podcast webpages with ridiculous ease. I'd happily pay for this rather than deal with some third party.

    God I miss iWeb. Yes it was limited but it was so easy to setup blogs and podcasts. It just sucked in terms of designs for your sites and getting commenting running.
    appleinsideruserbgoggin
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  • Reply 2 of 10
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,838member
    ACDC makes a lot of sense to me, especially if the new packaging technology for M5 makes a wider range of CPU/GPU combinations available. 

    I think it would be great if it wasn't just developers, but any users who sometimes need to access a lot more CPU/GPU than what they have available in their Mac, for whatever purpose. 
    bgoggin
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  • Reply 3 of 10
    nubusnubus Posts: 909member
    iOS apps need cloud services and those developers are on Mac. Going for cloud would is so obvious. With Apple Silicon and the need for AI even more so. Imagine if Apple had used the experience from Neural Engine and aimed for the cloud. But instead Nvidia, AWS/Amazon, Azure+OpenAI/Microsoft, and GCS/Alphabet are cashing in.

    Apple could have stayed a solid #1 on market cap by investing in this.
    williamlondondanox
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  • Reply 4 of 10
    CuJoYYCcujoyyc Posts: 94member
    I would like to see some of the old MobileMe features come back running on Apple servers.

    I've wanted to start a podcast, but all the options on the table require someone else to be in control. And given that Apple has a number of rules for the RSS files it seems odd that one can't just self-host with MAMP and an RSS feed tool from Apple. But MobileMe used to host iWeb and iWeb allowed us to create Podcast webpages with ridiculous ease. I'd happily pay for this rather than deal with some third party.

    God I miss iWeb. Yes it was limited but it was so easy to setup blogs and podcasts. It just sucked in terms of designs for your sites and getting commenting running.
    I miss it too. Many years ago, there was a major fire a few blocks from my  dealership. I hopped into my vehicle and circumnavigated the fire while taking a tonne of photos. I had my iWeb page populated and posted before either newspaper had even one phot posted.
    williamlondonbgogginlowededwookie
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  • Reply 5 of 10
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,546member
    nubus said:
    iOS apps need cloud services and those developers are on Mac. Going for cloud would is so obvious. With Apple Silicon and the need for AI even more so. Imagine if Apple had used the experience from Neural Engine and aimed for the cloud. But instead Nvidia, AWS/Amazon, Azure+OpenAI/Microsoft, and GCS/Alphabet are cashing in.

    Apple could have stayed a solid #1 on market cap by investing in this.
    You know none of the financials, none of the objectives or details they discussed, none of the reasons they decided against doing it, and yet from your armchair have concluded they did wrong. Oh ffs, classic armchair CEO shit spewing.
    bgoggindanox
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  • Reply 6 of 10
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,406member

    I only wish that Apple was a bit more open-minded with regards to access to their cloud services. They don't need to compete on all fronts, just provide some web APIs for contact management, etc. It's ironic that they held strong to using open standards, contrary to Microsoft and Google, but in 2025 still have a closed network.

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  • Reply 7 of 10
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,406member

    nubus said:
    iOS apps need cloud services and those developers are on Mac. Going for cloud would is so obvious. With Apple Silicon and the need for AI even more so. Imagine if Apple had used the experience from Neural Engine and aimed for the cloud. But instead Nvidia, AWS/Amazon, Azure+OpenAI/Microsoft, and GCS/Alphabet are cashing in.

    Apple could have stayed a solid #1 on market cap by investing in this.

    Apple has successfully fired on all cylinders in many, many other ways. Just different business goals. I agree that they've let some things skirt past them in astonishing fashion, but that's why competition is a thing.

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  • Reply 8 of 10
    rotateleftbyterotateleftbyte Posts: 1,648member
    I see the decision NOT to compete with Google or AWS or MS as a way of avoiding a whole slew of anti-trust lawsuits. By not competing with them in large scale cloud service provision they can say to a regulator, see, we don't compete with them on everything or some other legalese.

    Offering cloud services like Azure and tying your products to it (like Office 365) opens up a whole raft of new liabilities that Apple can avoid. Office 365 or as others put it, Office 265, can make or if it goes down, break a business and there is almost zero chance of getting MS to admit liability. 
    Stay away Apple.

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  • Reply 9 of 10
    nubusnubus Posts: 909member
    nubus said:
    iOS apps need cloud services and those developers are on Mac. Going for cloud would is so obvious. With Apple Silicon and the need for AI even more so. Imagine if Apple had used the experience from Neural Engine and aimed for the cloud. But instead Nvidia, AWS/Amazon, Azure+OpenAI/Microsoft, and GCS/Alphabet are cashing in.

    Apple could have stayed a solid #1 on market cap by investing in this.
    You know none of the financials, none of the objectives or details they discussed, none of the reasons they decided against doing it, and yet from your armchair have concluded they did wrong. Oh ffs, classic armchair CEO shit spewing.
    Would you say a decade of Car and AVP (released and then...) were better? That Apple had no way of staying #1? I don't agree. Apple should be #1.
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  • Reply 10 of 10
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,882member
    nubus said:
    iOS apps need cloud services and those developers are on Mac. Going for cloud would is so obvious. With Apple Silicon and the need for AI even more so. Imagine if Apple had used the experience from Neural Engine and aimed for the cloud. But instead Nvidia, AWS/Amazon, Azure+OpenAI/Microsoft, and GCS/Alphabet are cashing in.

    Apple could have stayed a solid #1 on market cap by investing in this.
    You know none of the financials, none of the objectives or details they discussed, none of the reasons they decided against doing it, and yet from your armchair have concluded they did wrong. Oh ffs, classic armchair CEO shit spewing.

    Apple Silicon and those five operating systems ecosystems, Puts Apple into a position where they can do very well in this area of computing and at some point they have to use their advantage because if they don’t, someone else will eventually come along see Intel, Blackberry, and Nokia for what happens when someone else comes along the opportunities won’t remain open forever.
    edited July 5
    neoncat
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