Im on OSX on all my Macs. But, OS9 saved my ass again last night.
On several occasions, I have been able to save alot of data by booting off an OS9 CD. From there, I have flexibility to move files etc. I have TachTool Pro and can boot of the CD. Despite that, there is no way interact with my files. I wish Apple would provide a boot disk with OSX.
I use OS9 all day at work and then 90% at home. I do my own freelance at home.
The other 10% at home is when I'm bored and I boot into OSX. I press the pretty buttons, watch the beautiful screensavers, slow minimise the windows and play with the dock settings.
Up until the late 90's or so, if you had a 17" running at 1024x768 you were the King Daddy Graphics Master. Some people are more into the creative angle than being a tech/spec hound. One man's 800x600 is another's Cinema Display.
Heh. Some of us remember laying out publications with PageMaker on a Mac 512k.
Everyone in my office has now switched to OS X; the last holdout fell with the arrival of new iMacs earlier this summer. That was a great incentive; I installed two and everyone completely fell in love with them, so we upgraded everyone else. For some of them, the sticking point was the lack of an OS X GroupWise client; everyone using OS X has to use Entourage.
I don't even have 9 installed on my Cube or PowerBook at home. My secretary still uses OS 9 on her little 266MHz iMac at home; I tease her about it. She loves OS X, she just thinks it would be too slow and take up too much room on her hard drive.
I'm still using OS 9.2 exclusively. My basic philosophy is if it isn't broke don't fix it. OS 9 works fine for my needs: moderate projects in Photoshop, PageMaker, MS Office and FileMaker, plus web browsing. I also find it very stable on my machine; it rarely crashes and all my peripherals-- some of them quite ancient-- work just the way they're supposed to.
I also upgrade software only when it offers a new feature that I absolutely need, so as you can guess not all applications are the current versions.
My present desktop is a G4 Dual 450. For what I do I'm very happy with its performance and it should be good for another year at least. The G5s look intriguing, but until some killer software comes out that only works in OS X I'll put off buying.
My TiBook 867 has OS X and I've played with it a little. The look of the interface reminds me of At Ease (I think that was the name) that Apple had in the early 90s as a system overlay to keep elementary school students from accessing the real system.
I'm sure Apple wishes OS 9 would go away. But many Mac users are sticking to OS 9 and are content with it. Apple recognized this by reintroducing the PM 1.25 dual bootable.
My parents, both MD, still work (keep their important patients' records) on a Performa 630 booting into 7.6, a situation that has begun 10 years or so ago. We are talking every day, 5-10 hours, for 10 years. Never a problem.
the Design Academy I teach at is still entirely OS 9
Quark 4 and ATM Font Management (Bitstream) are keeping the Graphic Design folks there.
Until the printing industry switches to Quark 6, the school won't (Q6 won't save back to 4)
Font management in OS X is fine. Font Agent or Suitcase are good font managers. (Has anyone tried MasterJuggler yet?) Your fonts from OS 9 will work.
I'm about to attend design school this fall, and both a Mac and InDesign (yes, InDesign) is required. I'll be interested to see how many people will using OS X and how many still with OS 9.
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the New Media folks are playing with OS X (for DreamWeaver/Flash/Director MX) but if they want correct Font output, they're often forced back to 9
Huh? I just don't get this. I have never encountered a single problem with font output in OS X.
Please PM me w/ the font issues you've had, if you'd like my advice. The only (irritating) nuisance is replacing the .dfonts (Helvetica, Futura) that come installed with OS X with Postscript verisons.
I, too, have never had any font problems or issues with OS X. Things have worked fine, and that's with Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign, printing from an inkjet, two-color jobs and even a large 4-color project. I've also done "one-off quickies" where I've done a flyer/document in InDesign or Illustrator with a couple of "out there" fonts, saved those projects to a PDF and e-mailed to the client for them to print quantity off a laser/inkjet/copier on their end.
In all instances, fonts came out perfect. And these were people all on PCs and I KNOW they didn't have any of my funky Letraset or Image Club fonts installed anywhere NEAR their PCs!
I, too, am curious about these font troubles you're experiencing...
I'm still on 9.2 at the studio. Has more to do with the fact that things are humming okay with the setup we have here.
I do want to go to OSX, but have also wondered about fonts and how they work in the new OS.
Can I still use all my Type 1 and TrueType fonts in OSX?
What type are the fonts that came with Jaguar (I have OSX at my home). Are these a whole new type?
As you can see, I haven't kept up with fonts/management in the new millenium so to speak.
Yes. OS X supports PS Type 1, TrueType, and OpenType fonts. All your OS 9 fonts will work dandy.
The fonts Jaguar come with -- while a nice collection -- are a little odd. They use something called a .dfont format -- TrueType w/ font information in the data fork instead of a resource fork. In any case they're a newish curious format and OS X-only. They're best replaced if you're doing print work, and you're not sending PDF or to a printer using OS X.
OS X requires Helvetica for a number of apps, so if you replace Helvetica.dfont, you should keep your PS Helvetica turned on all the time.
You should read more about fonts in detail on OS X here.
-edit: looked up what a .dfont actually is, from the above link.
THe good thing with X is that we can also use WINDOWS FONTS with no problem. No need to use fontographer to convert the fonts. Also open type support under X is awesome.
Font problem in X? I don't think so
If you can tell me how you use windows fonts under 9 without using conversion utility let me know and we can have a new discussion
Killer apps for X: Office X (OK, not killer), iTunes 4, iPhoto, maybe iMovie 3, Safari, Camino, Iconographer 2.5, and Solitaire Till Dawn X. Your main computer is a G4/450? That would run X all right. But I guess some people just like OS 9.2.
THe good thing with X is that we can also use WINDOWS FONTS with no problem. No need to use fontographer to convert the fonts. Also open type support under X is awesome.
It definitely is -- better than OS 9.
The important thing is just do a bit of reading and research so you understand how OS X works. It takes maybe 20-30 minutes and it's worth it.
You can use OpenType and Windows TrueType (.ttf) in OS X, BTW, but not Windows PostScript.
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On several occasions, I have been able to save alot of data by booting off an OS9 CD. From there, I have flexibility to move files etc. I have TachTool Pro and can boot of the CD. Despite that, there is no way interact with my files. I wish Apple would provide a boot disk with OSX.
Mmm
The other 10% at home is when I'm bored and I boot into OSX. I press the pretty buttons, watch the beautiful screensavers, slow minimise the windows and play with the dock settings.
Then I boot back into 9 to do some work.
Originally posted by pscates
Up until the late 90's or so, if you had a 17" running at 1024x768 you were the King Daddy Graphics Master. Some people are more into the creative angle than being a tech/spec hound. One man's 800x600 is another's Cinema Display.
Heh. Some of us remember laying out publications with PageMaker on a Mac 512k.
Everyone in my office has now switched to OS X; the last holdout fell with the arrival of new iMacs earlier this summer. That was a great incentive; I installed two and everyone completely fell in love with them, so we upgraded everyone else. For some of them, the sticking point was the lack of an OS X GroupWise client; everyone using OS X has to use Entourage.
I don't even have 9 installed on my Cube or PowerBook at home. My secretary still uses OS 9 on her little 266MHz iMac at home; I tease her about it. She loves OS X, she just thinks it would be too slow and take up too much room on her hard drive.
I also upgrade software only when it offers a new feature that I absolutely need, so as you can guess not all applications are the current versions.
My present desktop is a G4 Dual 450. For what I do I'm very happy with its performance and it should be good for another year at least. The G5s look intriguing, but until some killer software comes out that only works in OS X I'll put off buying.
My TiBook 867 has OS X and I've played with it a little. The look of the interface reminds me of At Ease (I think that was the name) that Apple had in the early 90s as a system overlay to keep elementary school students from accessing the real system.
I'm sure Apple wishes OS 9 would go away. But many Mac users are sticking to OS 9 and are content with it. Apple recognized this by reintroducing the PM 1.25 dual bootable.
iBook is X
B&W G3 is X
Mac Classic II is 7.6.1
Originally posted by pscates
Hey, kinda like the "Star Trek" movies, huh? The odd ones suck, the even ones were good!
it seems like Apple follows a surreally similar sequence
Apple I -complete DIY from circuit board. borderline suck.
Apple II -revolutionary. first colour monitor. good
Apple III - please. suck.
Apple IIe - most popular personal computer ever. good
Lisa - please. first GUI, but overall suck
Macintosh - 1984. nuff said. successful GUI and AIO. good
Apple IIgs - last gasp of a marginalized team. suck
...
similarly a little later in the Mac era (with some gaps)
IIse - the fact it died to return as SE30 and HD versions tells us. suck
IIci - awesome. stable. some still running! good
Mac Portable - massive luggage-sized monster. suck
IIfx - the early speed monster 68030@40MHz! a bit tempermental. good
IIsi - small profile, small RAM capacity, small HD. suck
Quadra 700/900/950 - faster, more stable than fx, more slots. good
Centris - thanks for showing up. really. suck
...
even the original PB follows a similar pattern
PB 100 - first portable mac, but puny RAM/HD, no internal Floppy flimsy. tiny battery. suck
PB 140/170 - sturdier, longer battery life, more RAM/HD. internal Floppy/Modem(170). good
PB 145 - just a speed bumped passive matrix 140. suck
PB 160/180 - first portables to drive external colour monitor 8bit@832x624. FPU(180). good
...
feel free to tempt fate with your own odd and even analysis
*twilight zone music, or maybe trek theme*
Everytime I say something like that ("there's never been a single probl..."), the wheels falls off and hell completely breaks loose the following day.
Quick, find a big piece of wood to knock on!
Originally posted by curiousuburb
the Design Academy I teach at is still entirely OS 9
Quark 4 and ATM Font Management (Bitstream) are keeping the Graphic Design folks there.
Until the printing industry switches to Quark 6, the school won't (Q6 won't save back to 4)
Font management in OS X is fine. Font Agent or Suitcase are good font managers. (Has anyone tried MasterJuggler yet?) Your fonts from OS 9 will work.
I'm about to attend design school this fall, and both a Mac and InDesign (yes, InDesign) is required. I'll be interested to see how many people will using OS X and how many still with OS 9.
the New Media folks are playing with OS X (for DreamWeaver/Flash/Director MX) but if they want correct Font output, they're often forced back to 9
Huh? I just don't get this. I have never encountered a single problem with font output in OS X.
Please PM me w/ the font issues you've had, if you'd like my advice. The only (irritating) nuisance is replacing the .dfonts (Helvetica, Futura) that come installed with OS X with Postscript verisons.
Using Dreamweaver MX, though, is another story...
In all instances, fonts came out perfect. And these were people all on PCs and I KNOW they didn't have any of my funky Letraset or Image Club fonts installed anywhere NEAR their PCs!
I, too, am curious about these font troubles you're experiencing...
I do want to go to OSX, but have also wondered about fonts and how they work in the new OS.
Can I still use all my Type 1 and TrueType fonts in OSX?
What type are the fonts that came with Jaguar (I have OSX at my home). Are these a whole new type?
As you can see, I haven't kept up with fonts/management in the new millenium so to speak.
Originally posted by satchmo
I'm still on 9.2 at the studio. Has more to do with the fact that things are humming okay with the setup we have here.
I do want to go to OSX, but have also wondered about fonts and how they work in the new OS.
Can I still use all my Type 1 and TrueType fonts in OSX?
What type are the fonts that came with Jaguar (I have OSX at my home). Are these a whole new type?
As you can see, I haven't kept up with fonts/management in the new millenium so to speak.
Yes. OS X supports PS Type 1, TrueType, and OpenType fonts. All your OS 9 fonts will work dandy.
The fonts Jaguar come with -- while a nice collection -- are a little odd. They use something called a .dfont format -- TrueType w/ font information in the data fork instead of a resource fork. In any case they're a newish curious format and OS X-only. They're best replaced if you're doing print work, and you're not sending PDF or to a printer using OS X.
OS X requires Helvetica for a number of apps, so if you replace Helvetica.dfont, you should keep your PS Helvetica turned on all the time.
You should read more about fonts in detail on OS X here.
-edit: looked up what a .dfont actually is, from the above link.
THe good thing with X is that we can also use WINDOWS FONTS with no problem. No need to use fontographer to convert the fonts. Also open type support under X is awesome.
Font problem in X? I don't think so
If you can tell me how you use windows fonts under 9 without using conversion utility let me know and we can have a new discussion
Killer apps for X: Office X (OK, not killer), iTunes 4, iPhoto, maybe iMovie 3, Safari, Camino, Iconographer 2.5, and Solitaire Till Dawn X. Your main computer is a G4/450? That would run X all right. But I guess some people just like OS 9.2.
Originally posted by satchmo
Can I still use all my Type 1 and TrueType fonts in OSX?
What type are the fonts that came with Jaguar (I have OSX at my home). Are these a whole new type?
I believe X's fonts are modified TrueType fonts. However, X also works fine with older Type 1 and TrueType fonts.
Originally posted by Leonis
THe good thing with X is that we can also use WINDOWS FONTS with no problem. No need to use fontographer to convert the fonts. Also open type support under X is awesome.
It definitely is -- better than OS 9.
The important thing is just do a bit of reading and research so you understand how OS X works. It takes maybe 20-30 minutes and it's worth it.
You can use OpenType and Windows TrueType (.ttf) in OS X, BTW, but not Windows PostScript.