How come no one seems to mention the fact this 1.6 everyone keeps looking at is the lowest in G5. Not only is nothing designed right now to fairly benchmark them but you are looking at the lowest end model. I've never put much stalk in benchmarks either, its all about if it can do what you need it to do.
While it my work out it's more expensive than a PC of equivalent speed it still runs a supior operating system and has the Apple "it just works" advantage.
i hereby pledge that i will not take any benchmark of the new g5s seriously until it is documentend that all tools and software used for the benchmark are 100% g5 aware.
Um, you'll notice that richcigar is no longer posting.
I wouldn't either. It's gotten back to the PC vs. Mac mine's bigger than yours thing.
[sigh]
I agree. I unsubscribed from this thread a while ago after it got ruined by the ego-mongering, mine's bigger crowd. Upon returning to check for any real discussion, I see its still in the same rut. But I'm guilty as well. Sometime I forget that rebuttals can ruin a thread even if you end up 'winning' the argument. Oh well, maybe we won?t scare off the next person who posts about receiving a G5.
I agree. I unsubscribed from this thread a while ago after it got ruined by the ego-mongering, mine's bigger crowd. Upon returning to check for any real discussion, I see its still in the same rut. But I'm guilty as well. Sometime I forget that rebuttals can ruin a thread even if you end up 'winning' the argument. Oh well, maybe we won?t scare off the next person who posts about receiving a G5.
And I still haven't seen the keyboard photos. Damn.
There is apparently a new version of Cinema 4d (version 8.2) coming out soon, (details on maxon website) so it could include G5 optimisations,
No, R8.2 absolutely does NOT include G5 optimization. Maxon (as I said upthread) was waiting on a compiler as of a day or two ago. They've had a G5 for only two weeks. The G5 optimization for C4D will be released as an incremental upgrade to R8.2, or possibly a patch. This info is based on a post (another forum) by a Maxon programmer.
I assume (though they have not explicitly said so) that a Cinebench version with G5 optimization will also be coming along, though, as a C4D user, I much prefer they get the app optimizing finished before the benchmark. I'm sure you can understand why
Some people are thick. It has been repeatedly stated that Cinebench isn't optimized at all for the G5, but people are ready to condemn the G5 on the basis of those benchmarks alone. It would be more problematic if someone could prove the real world benchmarks SJ demoed at WWDC were fabricated. No one has been able to make any such substantive claim. So give it a friggin rest.
Would someone please analize these numbers. They mean nothing to me. What do they mean to someone who understands them please?
What they mean, in a nutshell:
Given code compiled and optimized for the 745x G4, run on an OS built with a compiler targeting the G4, the low-end G5 holds its own against the previous high-end G4.
This is good. For one thing, it means that once the OS and the applications target the 970 it will pull cleanly away except for a few cases where compute-bound AltiVec code favors the G4 implementation, or where dual processors increase e.g. UI responsiveness by concurrently executing processes and threads.
This pretty much what happened with the 7400 -> 7450 transition, except that the 7450 started out significantly slower clock for clock before apps were specifically targeted for it.
I wonder how long that compiler's going to take to arrive . . .
. . . still waiting . . .
(and no, I'm not mad, I just know that in my circle I have a ONE SHOT chance at proving that the new G5 is FAST to my PC-totting comrades-if the benchmarks suck for the next two months, that's not going to help anything, and when optimized software finally does come and creames the x86 crowd, no one will be around to listen-except us macheads of course-while the IT department goes out and buys even more PC's)
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While it my work out it's more expensive than a PC of equivalent speed it still runs a supior operating system and has the Apple "it just works" advantage.
Devmage
Originally posted by twinturbo
So if a single 1.6Ghz is the same speed as an Athlon 1.4, HOW THE HECK will a dual 2Ghz beat by 2x the dual 3.0Ghz Xeon???
That kind of performance edge requires very aggressive use of AltiVec. I doubt Cinebench uses AltiVec much, if at all.
I wouldn't either. It's gotten back to the PC vs. Mac mine's bigger than yours thing.
[sigh]
Originally posted by Anna Mated
There is apparently a new version of Cinema 4d (version 8.2) coming out soon, (details on maxon website) so it could include G5 optimisations,
And Bodypaint R2 is out, I notice.
Originally posted by fether
Um, you'll notice that richcigar is no longer posting.
I wouldn't either. It's gotten back to the PC vs. Mac mine's bigger than yours thing.
[sigh]
I agree. I unsubscribed from this thread a while ago after it got ruined by the ego-mongering, mine's bigger crowd. Upon returning to check for any real discussion, I see its still in the same rut. But I'm guilty as well. Sometime I forget that rebuttals can ruin a thread even if you end up 'winning' the argument. Oh well, maybe we won?t scare off the next person who posts about receiving a G5.
Originally posted by dfiler
I agree. I unsubscribed from this thread a while ago after it got ruined by the ego-mongering, mine's bigger crowd. Upon returning to check for any real discussion, I see its still in the same rut. But I'm guilty as well. Sometime I forget that rebuttals can ruin a thread even if you end up 'winning' the argument. Oh well, maybe we won?t scare off the next person who posts about receiving a G5.
And I still haven't seen the keyboard photos. Damn.
There is apparently a new version of Cinema 4d (version 8.2) coming out soon, (details on maxon website) so it could include G5 optimisations,
No, R8.2 absolutely does NOT include G5 optimization. Maxon (as I said upthread) was waiting on a compiler as of a day or two ago. They've had a G5 for only two weeks. The G5 optimization for C4D will be released as an incremental upgrade to R8.2, or possibly a patch. This info is based on a post (another forum) by a Maxon programmer.
I assume (though they have not explicitly said so) that a Cinebench version with G5 optimization will also be coming along, though, as a C4D user, I much prefer they get the app optimizing finished before the benchmark. I'm sure you can understand why
FACT: There is only ONE major application out there that HAS a means of enabling G5 optimization (Photoshop).
FACT: There are no offically published Photoshop benchmarks pitting the G5 against the G4...
...ergo arguing about G5 benchmarks is also like running in the Special Olympics... and you know the rest.
Originally posted by Tidris
That kind of performance edge requires very aggressive use of AltiVec. I doubt Cinebench uses AltiVec much, if at all.
No, the SPECmarks don't take AltiVec into account.
Originally posted by Moogs
FACT: There is only ONE major application out there that HAS a means of enabling G5 optimization (Photoshop).
Two: You forgot Logic.
Originally posted by Moogs
FACT: There is not a single benchmark out there that has been re-compiled to run properly on a G5.
FACT: There is only ONE major application out there that HAS a means of enabling G5 optimization (Photoshop).
FACT: There are no offically published Photoshop benchmarks pitting the G5 against the G4...
...ergo arguing about G5 benchmarks is also like running in the Special Olympics... and you know the rest.
FACT: There are TWO major applications optimized for G5. Logic 6.2 Platinum was the FIRST. Photoshop was SECOND.
Originally posted by JLL
Two: You forgot Logic.
Great minds think alike. We posted at exactly the same minute from each of two continents.
Originally posted by Multimedia
Great minds think alike. We posted at exactly the same minute from each of two continents.
Originally posted by Multimedia
Would someone please analize these numbers. They mean nothing to me. What do they mean to someone who understands them please?
What they mean, in a nutshell:
Given code compiled and optimized for the 745x G4, run on an OS built with a compiler targeting the G4, the low-end G5 holds its own against the previous high-end G4.
This is good. For one thing, it means that once the OS and the applications target the 970 it will pull cleanly away except for a few cases where compute-bound AltiVec code favors the G4 implementation, or where dual processors increase e.g. UI responsiveness by concurrently executing processes and threads.
This pretty much what happened with the 7400 -> 7450 transition, except that the 7450 started out significantly slower clock for clock before apps were specifically targeted for it.
. . . still waiting . . .
(and no, I'm not mad, I just know that in my circle I have a ONE SHOT chance at proving that the new G5 is FAST to my PC-totting comrades-if the benchmarks suck for the next two months, that's not going to help anything, and when optimized software finally does come and creames the x86 crowd, no one will be around to listen-except us macheads of course-while the IT department goes out and buys even more PC's)