Before we had them new-fangled aeroplane things, goods were moved by caravan on established trade routes. The only way through mountain ranges were specific spots called passes. Each winter the snows would make it impossible to travel through these passes, so the caravans would have to wait 'til the spring when the snows melted.
I would imagine this means "bottle-necks removed". Of course which bottle-necks are another matter entirely.....
Mountain pass melting probably refers to the megahertz barrier that has dogged apple and motorola since 1999. That's my completely uneducated guess, of course.
<strong>Moto have optimized their 130 nm fab and the next Powermac revision will bear the fruits of this labor. While migrating the G4 to a new fab, Moto has taken the time to incorporate a number of changes, the most significant of which is the bus. RapidIO is the new face of the G4, and of course with it comes full DDR support. What Apple finally will use is unknown to me, but test mules have employed both PC2100 and PC2700.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, that sounds good, but it goes counter to MOT's public statements, which amount to "We're getting out of the PC CPU business":
Okay then, maybe we ought to take the "mountain pass" more seriously... the pass is the impass between Moto and IBM who have been giving eachother the cold shoulder. This pass melts, allowing the G4 to be transfered to IBM who will take over as Apple's processor supplier, beginning with the just completed 0.13 micron version of the 7455 and continuing with an IBM designed G5 next year. The sudden appearance of 1 GHz accelerators is just Moto selling off stock since Apple is now building all machines with IBM parts.
Just for the sake of completeness: The river deepens = AGP 8x, the path widens = Xserve DDR memory controller.
Aw...hah...huh....WAHHHHHHH! I cuh...can't take it any longer...adulterated...spec...ul...ay-tion...driving...(muh-eee) mad....
((White jacketed, twitching...watching Ren and Stimpy re-runs...awaiting the 'End-Of-the-Apple-World New York Show...apocolyptic visions...the carnage...))
Well, that sounds good, but it goes counter to MOT's public statements, which amount to "We're getting out of the PC CPU business":
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, not really.
Clearly Mot already had made most if not all of those investments by the time that statement was made. So ignoring that capital investment (it's money already spent) they'll sell whatever products are profitable and can recoup some part of that investment.
Getting out of the PC business, to me, suggests that we won't see any significant investments by Motorola for future desktop products. Sure they'll concentrate/improve what they have in order to meet current committments and future goals (embedded products) which would reasonable cover another generation or so of G4.
Apple still needs a G4 supplier for most of their other products, so it's reasonable to assume that Mot will stay in the game until the G4 is completely tapped out.
I agree, and no, thanks, I don't think I'm retarded.
My point simply is that P4s @ 2.26 and 2.53 GHz coupled with RDRAM 1066 are as yet unavailable. Intel is the Evil Satan of Paper Launches.
Furthermore, P4 Xeons aren't selling anywhere near as good as the PIII Xeons, which are still in production and running at 1.4 GHz (Tualatin core IIRC). I'd really love to see one of those babies benchmarked on a good DDR2700 or dual-channel Rambus 800 system. Saying that the 2.53 P4 + RDRAM 1066 (which BTW is officially unsupported by Intel) is the fastest system around is like saying that the G5 1.8 (or whatever) is just as fast or faster: I still gotta see them...
ZoSo</strong><hr></blockquote>
Huh? Yesterday a picked up a P4 2.26B for AUS $500. I'm running this in an abit TH7-II system with 512mb pc800 RDRAM, with it oc'd to 2.93ghz. Before that I was running my 1.6a at 2.4ghz. Memory throughput is ~3.6gB/sec. The 2.26B has been available for several weeks here in aus. I suggest you read hardforums.com, etc and get a clue. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
[Edit: PC1066 rdram has also been available, as has PC1066 capable PC800 rdram...]
Apple still needs a G4 supplier for most of their other products, so it's reasonable to assume that Mot will stay in the game until the G4 is completely tapped out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed -- I was speaking about any products beyond the G4.
Aw...hah...huh....WAHHHHHHH! I cuh...can't take it any longer...adulterated...spec...ul...ay-tion...driving...(muh-eee) mad....
((White jacketed, twitching...watching Ren and Stimpy re-runs...awaiting the 'End-Of-the-Apple-World New York Show...apocolyptic visions...the carnage...))
Twitch.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Howard Cossell Voice "As the mythic main event of Macdom draws near you can see the tension build in the Macintosh Community. The stress proves too much for some Macophiles leaving them incoherent and shaking, human basket cases, broken to the core of their being. But in a few days these traumatic moments will be but a distant memory as life begins anew in the MacWorld ritual hosted by the tribal warlord Jobs. Until then it will take the tribespeople all of their strength of character and intestinal fortitude to go on"
Huh? Yesterday a picked up a P4 2.26B for AUS $500. I'm running this in an abit TH7-II system with 512mb pc800 RDRAM, with it oc'd to 2.93ghz. Before that I was running my 1.6a at 2.4ghz. Memory throughput is ~3.6gB/sec. The 2.26B has been available for several weeks here in aus. I suggest you read hardforums.com, etc and get a clue. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
[Edit: PC1066 rdram has also been available, as has PC1066 capable PC800 rdram...]
It should also be pointed out that these processors are fast but aren't a whole lot faster than the PIII server chip. We've tested some PIV's (against or PIII's) and weren't all that impressed. The server we just purchased is a dual PIV Xenon 2.4 with interleaved memory. I should also note that the PIII Xenon is FASTER than the PIV Xenon but we won't be going that route for about a year or so when we need to go 4 or 8 way.
Also, nearly all users don't need the speed increase of the faster memory. Heck, our web servers and application servers are still running PC133 and they are pleanty fast. The only machine we have running faster memory is our database server that serves up over 3 million queries per day. As you know, database is very IO intensive.
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"Mountain pass melts"
Before we had them new-fangled aeroplane things, goods were moved by caravan on established trade routes. The only way through mountain ranges were specific spots called passes. Each winter the snows would make it impossible to travel through these passes, so the caravans would have to wait 'til the spring when the snows melted.
I would imagine this means "bottle-necks removed". Of course which bottle-necks are another matter entirely.....
yeah right here is to dreaming cheers
EDIT: spelling...
[ 06-29-2002: Message edited by: Mount_my_floppy ]</p>
<strong>Either that or it means no more handles on the case. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Ooooooh! I hadn't thought of that! Now, that would be truly spiffy!
<strong>
Angels sing!
I don't even have a real computer. To post on these boards, I have to beep spastically into my telephone.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Moto have optimized their 130 nm fab and the next Powermac revision will bear the fruits of this labor. While migrating the G4 to a new fab, Moto has taken the time to incorporate a number of changes, the most significant of which is the bus. RapidIO is the new face of the G4, and of course with it comes full DDR support. What Apple finally will use is unknown to me, but test mules have employed both PC2100 and PC2700.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, that sounds good, but it goes counter to MOT's public statements, which amount to "We're getting out of the PC CPU business":
<a href="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum64/HTML/000225.html"; target="_blank">http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum64/HTML/000225.html</a>;
<strong>
Well, that sounds good, but it goes counter to MOT's public statements, which amount to "We're getting out of the PC CPU business":
<a href="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum64/HTML/000225.html"; target="_blank">http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum64/HTML/000225.html</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
Okay then, maybe we ought to take the "mountain pass" more seriously... the pass is the impass between Moto and IBM who have been giving eachother the cold shoulder. This pass melts, allowing the G4 to be transfered to IBM who will take over as Apple's processor supplier, beginning with the just completed 0.13 micron version of the 7455 and continuing with an IBM designed G5 next year. The sudden appearance of 1 GHz accelerators is just Moto selling off stock since Apple is now building all machines with IBM parts.
Just for the sake of completeness: The river deepens = AGP 8x, the path widens = Xserve DDR memory controller.
Aw...hah...huh....WAHHHHHHH! I cuh...can't take it any longer...adulterated...spec...ul...ay-tion...driving...(muh-eee) mad....
((White jacketed, twitching...watching Ren and Stimpy re-runs...awaiting the 'End-Of-the-Apple-World New York Show...apocolyptic visions...the carnage...))
Twitch.
LemOn...boN...BOn... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
<strong>Twitch.</strong><hr></blockquote>
One down.
Just think... about 18 days until you will be wondering what Apple has in store for us next. Give or take a month or two. Maybe.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>
Well, that sounds good, but it goes counter to MOT's public statements, which amount to "We're getting out of the PC CPU business":
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, not really.
Clearly Mot already had made most if not all of those investments by the time that statement was made. So ignoring that capital investment (it's money already spent) they'll sell whatever products are profitable and can recoup some part of that investment.
Getting out of the PC business, to me, suggests that we won't see any significant investments by Motorola for future desktop products. Sure they'll concentrate/improve what they have in order to meet current committments and future goals (embedded products) which would reasonable cover another generation or so of G4.
Apple still needs a G4 supplier for most of their other products, so it's reasonable to assume that Mot will stay in the game until the G4 is completely tapped out.
<strong>
I don't even have a real computer. To post on these boards, I have to beep spastically into my telephone.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm impressed. Talk about bridging the digital divide. Ever think about teaching your talent to poor, inner-city kids.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>
I agree, and no, thanks, I don't think I'm retarded.
My point simply is that P4s @ 2.26 and 2.53 GHz coupled with RDRAM 1066 are as yet unavailable. Intel is the Evil Satan of Paper Launches.
Furthermore, P4 Xeons aren't selling anywhere near as good as the PIII Xeons, which are still in production and running at 1.4 GHz (Tualatin core IIRC). I'd really love to see one of those babies benchmarked on a good DDR2700 or dual-channel Rambus 800 system. Saying that the 2.53 P4 + RDRAM 1066 (which BTW is officially unsupported by Intel) is the fastest system around is like saying that the G5 1.8 (or whatever) is just as fast or faster: I still gotta see them...
ZoSo</strong><hr></blockquote>
Huh? Yesterday a picked up a P4 2.26B for AUS $500. I'm running this in an abit TH7-II system with 512mb pc800 RDRAM, with it oc'd to 2.93ghz. Before that I was running my 1.6a at 2.4ghz. Memory throughput is ~3.6gB/sec. The 2.26B has been available for several weeks here in aus. I suggest you read hardforums.com, etc and get a clue. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
[Edit: PC1066 rdram has also been available, as has PC1066 capable PC800 rdram...]
[ 06-30-2002: Message edited by: yurin8or ]</p>
Excuse me for blushing, but it's all coital, boys. All coital.
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The Sybaritic Interpreter, Still Waiting in Nashvegas
<strong>How much is 800 RDRAM</strong><hr></blockquote>
I picked up my PC800 256mB Samsung (double-sided) dimms for AUS$207. Over here they're not much more expensive than PC2700 DDR.
<strong>
Well, not really.
[snip]
Apple still needs a G4 supplier for most of their other products, so it's reasonable to assume that Mot will stay in the game until the G4 is completely tapped out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed -- I was speaking about any products beyond the G4.
<strong>Gawd...plea....eeese......some-body... make...it...st...op...
Aw...hah...huh....WAHHHHHHH! I cuh...can't take it any longer...adulterated...spec...ul...ay-tion...driving...(muh-eee) mad....
((White jacketed, twitching...watching Ren and Stimpy re-runs...awaiting the 'End-Of-the-Apple-World New York Show...apocolyptic visions...the carnage...))
Twitch.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Howard Cossell Voice "As the mythic main event of Macdom draws near you can see the tension build in the Macintosh Community. The stress proves too much for some Macophiles leaving them incoherent and shaking, human basket cases, broken to the core of their being. But in a few days these traumatic moments will be but a distant memory as life begins anew in the MacWorld ritual hosted by the tribal warlord Jobs. Until then it will take the tribespeople all of their strength of character and intestinal fortitude to go on"
<strong>
Huh? Yesterday a picked up a P4 2.26B for AUS $500. I'm running this in an abit TH7-II system with 512mb pc800 RDRAM, with it oc'd to 2.93ghz. Before that I was running my 1.6a at 2.4ghz. Memory throughput is ~3.6gB/sec. The 2.26B has been available for several weeks here in aus. I suggest you read hardforums.com, etc and get a clue. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
[Edit: PC1066 rdram has also been available, as has PC1066 capable PC800 rdram...]
[ 06-30-2002: Message edited by: yurin8or ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It should also be pointed out that these processors are fast but aren't a whole lot faster than the PIII server chip. We've tested some PIV's (against or PIII's) and weren't all that impressed. The server we just purchased is a dual PIV Xenon 2.4 with interleaved memory. I should also note that the PIII Xenon is FASTER than the PIV Xenon but we won't be going that route for about a year or so when we need to go 4 or 8 way.
Also, nearly all users don't need the speed increase of the faster memory. Heck, our web servers and application servers are still running PC133 and they are pleanty fast. The only machine we have running faster memory is our database server that serves up over 3 million queries per day. As you know, database is very IO intensive.
However, the new memory is impressive